One thing we are now blessed with is an independent judiciary which stands ready to defend the rule of law. For a third time in four years, the Bush administration lost a detainee case before the Supreme Court.
how many people feel that naturalized citizens are second-class citizens?
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Touche. Gross is of course subjective terminology. The objective term would be "dirty". Was an eye-opener in high school when a white friend made us take off our shoes at her house - her parents just had new cream colored carpet installed. At that point realized that it wasn't that white people didn't think shoes were dirty (which had confused me up to that point)...they just didn't care unless their carpet was new and light-colored.
On kids, I'm assuming mine will be smart enough to operate in more than one language. I have no reason to think otherwise since I managed to only speak to my parents in [native/first language] and do better in English than the mono-lingual kids in school. Actually, I'd like my kids to be at least tri-lingual. I have a European friend who speaks German, Italian and English, fluently enough to practice law in two of the three. That's what I mean by "better".
None of this means that I think one doesn't need to speak English in this country. English is a given, but it should be the floor, not the ceiling, of societal expectations.
cafeconleche
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Kids can learn several languages in the first few years of their life, and these are stored in the same part of the brain, so switching becomes seamless. Learning a language later puts it in another section of the brain, and that's a little tougher, but I do not agree with people who teach their kids only one language so that they can be fluent in it. I was taught three, and STILL English is the one I speak, read and write best, even though it's really not my mother tongue. It is important, though, to stick to one language per person when teaching a child. That is, the mom should speak only her native language, and the dad his, when speaking to the child (assuming, of course, that the parents each have different languages they want to pass on). I'm not pulling this information out of a hat... just so you know
I could be wrong but one thing I noticed from your example is, how many countries from your list attacked US, vs US attacked them? I think with Japan, that was the case (That Japan attacked US in US) That is an important difference
I agree. If this was not the case, there is no need to have the law that allows USCIS to take away citizenship from naturalised citizenship. It may not be second class in terms of how you feel about US (or how your neighbors feel about you) but from law point of view, all they need is one USCIS officer (or a Law enforcement officer or DA or judge) to think that you should not be here. Then you better have money and a good lawyer to fight your case.
It's an even worse example in the context of the thread because US internment policy made NO DISTINCTION between naturalized Japanese Americans and NATURAL BORN Japanese Americans. Both were interned on the West Coast. It wasn't discrimination based on immigration status at all, it was good old, "hard working" American racism in certain areas of the country. For those who think there was a justified security concern at the time, note that Japanese Americans in Hawaii and German Americans and Italian Americans (naturalized nor born) were NOT interned anywhere.
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Both German and Italian Americans were also interned during WWII.
Also, some Japanese in Hawaii were interned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_internment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
Vyacheslav
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Natural-born American can be deported to a foreign country to face trial.
This is assuming that country has extradition treaty with the United States.
Jackolantern
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But that's not deportation, that's extradition. They still maintain their citizenship, and if they ever get out of prison in the other country they have an iron-clad right to return to the US, unlike somebody who has been deported.
Well, all other things aside.... how is your stimulous check coming?
I personally didn't get any money back from IRS and started calling wondering why.... Whadya think? It turns out that... never mind the President, IRS says that I am not eligible just because my wife doesn't have SSN yet (another story how they got me face the wall just for my desire to pay taxes properly and how I have to get a ombudusman step in so I could do my duty)....
I wouldn't mind getting just $400 for myself since I have valid SSN for over 10 years.... but no, since I choose to marry a gal without SSN "stimulus package" doesn't apply to me... tough luck, or is it? If you ask me IRS is breaking the law that the president signed in and there are at least hundreds of thousands who got screwed for about a thou each... give or take.... Makes about hundred million dollars that IRS is widthholding against the law.... plus interest... Any lawyers willing to step up and get that money?
I personally didn't get any money back from IRS and started calling wondering why.... Whadya think? It turns out that... never mind the President, IRS says that I am not eligible just because my wife doesn't have SSN yet (another story how they got me face the wall just for my desire to pay taxes properly and how I have to get a ombudusman step in so I could do my duty)....
I wouldn't mind getting just $400 for myself since I have valid SSN for over 10 years.... but no, since I choose to marry a gal without SSN "stimulus package" doesn't apply to me... tough luck, or is it? If you ask me IRS is breaking the law that the president signed in and there are at least hundreds of thousands who got screwed for about a thou each... give or take.... Makes about hundred million dollars that IRS is widthholding against the law.... plus interest... Any lawyers willing to step up and get that money?
Doesn't it depend on how you filled your 2007 taxes?(married vs married filing separately?)
Well, I would change your second line to "Hope you don't get a DA or cops or judge that thinks you committed hideous crimes". You remember case of Dukes students and NC Attorney? Those kids were charged with rape and would have definitely gone to jail if not for their rich parents and powerful lawyers. And they were as American as they can get. What chance do you have if DA wants you in jail (or a cop wants you deported)
Don't think that justice system is always correct. It is made up of people and people can make mistakes or have their own agenda (As was in case of NC attorney. He wantd to be re-elected).
With the new laws in place, if they find one pic of a girl looking younger than 18 on your pc/laptop in some non-approved pose, you can be charged with pedophilia and be put in prison for long time. Heck they charged a granny who had pics of her grandkids taking bath.
TheRealCanadian
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Oh, calm down. You'll get the money when you file your 2008 tax return next year.
yes i agree with you 100%. i heard about a swimming coach here at NC State that was accused of sexual harrasment. He was british and had been naturilized for at least 10. They were talking that if found guilty he could be stripped of his citizenship and deported. Which brings me to my second line. I fyou renounce your original citizenship can they strip you of your american one?
TheRealCanadian
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Who is "they"? Have you ever considered that "they" don't know what they're talking about? Especially when you consider that the average American has no clue about immigration law.
Of course.
"They" were lawyers and immigration specialists that the T.V station interviewed, not Joe Schmo on the street wearing a NASCAR T-shirt. I think I'm smart enough to distinguish who knows about immigration law and who doesn't.
Now I'd just like to know if renouncing one's original citizenship protects you from deportation/stripping. I wonder if "They" know...
TheRealCanadian
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If you think that an immigration attorney or self-described specialist knows what they're talking about when it comes to immigration law, then you obviously haven't been reading this forum long enough.
Criminal acts after naturalization are not grounds for loss of citizenship. End of story.
If you think that an immigration attorney or self-described specialist knows what they're talking about when it comes to immigration law, then you obviously haven't been reading this forum long enough.
Criminal acts after naturalization are not grounds for loss of citizenship. End of story.
Except for terrorism and being convicted of betraying the US (traitor). I think these two do result in denaturalization proceedings. I remember a few years back a Chinese-American (who was in a federal position) was convicted of spying for China and was stripped of his citizenship and also jailed for life. Talk about a double-slap in the face.
I dont know about you guys but i've been living here for 20 years and i dont really think about all the stuff that you guys are posting. Im more worried about graduating,finding a good job,mortgage and etc. The last thing on my mind is my status in this country. I've had troubles with the law but was never asked about my stsatus here. I think you guys are just being over paranoid about this stuff. Just have fun and live your life.