Traffic tickets and naturalization (threads merged)

Bobsmyth said:
The next thing you know people will be asking about having to report seeding tickets in a foreign country while soliciting the services of a prostitute who was carrying a firearm and who didn't file her taxes for the last 3 years.
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OMG.....:eek: What would you do in a situation like that?
I have a friend that...........LOL Just kidding!!!!!
 
Bobsmyth said:
The next thing you know people will be asking about having to report seeding tickets in a foreign country while soliciting the services of a prostitute who was carrying a firearm and who didn't file her taxes for the last 3 years.
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In Philadelphia, there's an antiquated law that makes singing in the shower a misdemeanor. All Philadelphia applicants who sing in the shower must check "YES" next to the question "Have you ever committed a crime for which you were not arrested?"

In Oklahoma, it's illegal to keep an elephant in your backyard, but not in your front yard. Anyone applicant who keeps an elephant in their backyard will be denied for lack of good moral character, have their green card revoked, and get deported.:D:D:D
 
Triple Citizen said:
Which instructions are these? No disrespect meant, but the N-400 instructions state that one is not supposed to provide documentation for violations under $500. However no where does it say do not disclose.
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None taken :)

The instructions I quoted were read to me by a CSR from his computer terminal. I believe that whoever compiled the guide snoozed during technical writing courses, which is why the section regarding traffic tickets is so ambiguous.
 
Vorpal said:
None taken :)

The instructions I quoted were read to me by a CSR from his computer terminal. I believe that whoever compiled the guide snoozed during technical writing courses, which is why the section regarding traffic tickets is so ambiguous.
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Another example of conflicting USCIS instructions in that the M-476 manual tells you to include a photocopy of your GC with your application, whereas the N-400 instructions omit this. I'm sure many applicants miss this since they don't read the M-476.
 
Vorpal said:
In Philadelphia, there's an antiquated law that makes singing in the shower a misdemeanor. All Philadelphia applicants who sing in the shower must check "YES" next to the question "Have you ever committed a crime for which you were not arrested?"

In Oklahoma, it's illegal to keep an elephant in your backyard, but not in your front yard. Anyone applicant who keeps an elephant in their backyard will be denied for lack of good moral character, have their green card revoked, and get deported.:D:D:D
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This brings up a interesting point:if you are guilty of some outdated laws but never have been convicted, does this go against your measure of good moral character? Maybe a good question for the IO during the interview. :rolleyes:

More outaded laws: http://tjshome.com/dumblaws.php
 
Bobsmyth said:
Another example of conflicting USCIS instructions in that the M-476 manual tells you to include a photocopy of your GC with your application, whereas the N-400 instructions omit this. I'm sure many applicants miss this since they don't read the M-476.
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True, although the GC photocopy is included in the document checklist.
 
Bobsmyth said:
This brings up a interesting point:if you are guilty of some outdated laws but never have been convicted, does this go against your measure of good moral character? Maybe a good question for the IO during the interview. :rolleyes:

More outaded laws: http://tjshome.com/dumblaws.php
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"In New York City it is illegal to have permit dancing in an establishment that sells food without a cabaret license."

Last year, there was a case involving this law that received a fair amount of attention from the local media. A local bar was raided after NYPD received tips that there was "unlicensed dancing" going on. The bar owners were given a stiff fine, and every patron who was caught in the act of dancing was given a desk appearance ticket for disturbing the peace.
 
Vorpal said:
I just called the NCSC and asked if traffic violations should be listed in the "Have you ever been cited..." section of the N-400. The representative read the following information from his computer (I'm paraphrasing): "Everything WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MINOR TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS THAT DID NOT RESULT IN AN ARREST must be disclosed on the N-400. This includes misdemeanors, felonies, arrests (even if it didn't result in conviction), and crimes for which you were not arrested". I asked the CSR to clarify what constituted a minor traffic violation, and he replied that his system doesn't have a definition of what exactly a minor traffic violation is. I then quoted the section of the guide with the $500/DUI/DWI rule. The CSR stated that only traffic violations that fall into that category have to be disclosed.
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What's with this "and crimes for which you were not arrested"???
 
tabaliya said:
What's with this "and crimes for which you were not arrested"???
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They are trying to weed out the idiots, I guess. Let's say you broke into someone's car and got away with it. You committed a crime, but weren't arrested for it. You are expected to admit it on your N-400.
 
Or something like you were caught stealing and the store security caught you and the police came. They then decided since you were on desperate times and really needed that Wii that they decided not to press charges. Hence you commited a crime but you are not arrested...
 
Or if you bludgeoned your loud neighbor to death and buried him in his backyard but no one ever found out. Wait, if you include that on your application you'll be deported..hmm..though choices. :D
 
More Ticket question, Vorpal it is your fault!!!...

Hello guys,

I got a nice speeding ticket last week, Mr. motorcycle officer was an AH not becasue he stopped me, but just becasue he lied and said I was going 85 but in reallity I was going exact 80 m/h.
Speed limit was 35 m/h... no Im just kidding. It was 65.

Now the problem comes to hit my head every day that, court day is May 12th and my Citizenship Interview is May 8th.

I have not recieved any kind of letter from them indicating how much I have to pay but what options do I have here. I know probably it is the easiet way to just pay the damn ticket and don't make any trouble for my Interview?

In case of they didn't send me any letter by then and if I call them and they tell me for example, this ticket number doesn't exist or the officer never turn-in such a ticket report, then what should I do.

It is my fault, I thought about it so hard about getting ticket before my interview and then I got one.

Vorpal, I guess it is your fault.
 
Damn, sorry to hear that!

There was a rather heated debate about traffic tickets over the past couple of days (http://www.immigrationportal.com/showpost.php?p=1888338&postcount=46), so I called the NCSC and asked if traffic tickets have to be disclosed on the N-400. The CSR read off his computer terminal that minor traffic tickets don't need to be listed, as long as you weren't arrested as a result.

Ultimately, whether or not you decide to disclose the ticket is up to you. If you won't be taking your oath the day of the interview, then you shouldn't worry too much, since you'll have the ticket taken care of in time for the oath.
 
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Maybe we need to create a thread on how to handle possible IO questions at interview:

IO: Do you have any citations or have you ever been arrested?
Applicant: Besides a speeding ticket I do not.
 
I was just asked if I had ever been arrested and then when I said no, asked if I had ever been in court.

I was never asked about citations at all...
 
Thank you guys, probably I didn't explain it very well so I will ask my question in different way.

Instead of paying the ticket price, I would like to go to the court but the problem is that the court date is actually after my interview date. Would that be a problem if I go to my interview without paying the ticket but just wait till May 12th and go to court.

Vorpal said I have to have it cleared before my Oath, so from what you said I don't need to be worry about this for my interview appointment? When the IO asks me if I have been arrested or anything just like it, my respond will be no and he/she won't care about my speeding ticket?

Sorry, I am a slow learner.
 
Paying your ticket after the interview is not an issue since proof of payment is not required for the interview . Don't worry, all will be fine
 
Bobsmyth said:
Maybe we need to create a thread on how to handle possible IO questions at interview:

IO: Do you have any citations or have you ever been arrested?
Applicant: Besides a speeding ticket I do not.
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Yeah maybe a thread where people who have been through the interview process tells us what they were asked and what they replied.
 
In my opinion, you might be better of paying the amount and carry the certified copy of court record at the interview. At the interview, if officer find out that you have a pending court hearing, he might delay the case. What if you don't appear at the court, what id you don't pay the fine, all this possible after the interview. It's better you close it before the interview.

I'm in a similar situation, I got a speeding ticket in CT, luckly my court date is before interview date. My lawyer told me, at any cost, resolve it before th interview and pay the fine and get the certified copy.
 
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