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Max CN limitation for each REGION - my prediction !!!!!!

Very objective analysis ... thanks.

Vladek

Just to continue this comment from the aos thread.

You said:-

"You see what I mean now simon !
You asked me to explain the drop-out!? Its a human variable I ca trace it 100% look at this case student in USA but he missed-out about the DV process! Remember 80% of the 140k do not speak nor read english, so the second-holes will be as I said very effective..."

I think you misunderstand what I asked you to explain.

Your theory of excessive "second holes" is based on the belief that large numbers of selectees are failing to return their papers this year. We know this always happens, so we are not talking about individual cases, what you are saying that AS A GROUP the 140,000 selectees are behaving differently this year to other years.

My point is this.

At an individual level you can have someone who decides to not send in forms for a number of reasons, change of heart, financial pressure, new girlfriend at home - whatever. That happens every year and is somewhat predictable (because the GROUP of 140,000 people will have these things happen in guessable percentages.

Next you will have localized issues that will affect the process. The upheaval in Ukraine, Venezuela, Egypt and Syria for instance are all factors that might affect the process. Take Venezuela for instance, that may strengthen the desire for someone to leave the country and therefore improve their return rates BUT it might affect their ability to go through the process by affecting access to documents from the government etc. So - these localized issues might be a factor to increase or decrease the overall success rates, but they will only affect a part of a region - or a country.

The final level is a global event that affects the process. These must be VERY rare and it is this type that you need to explain your theory. A global event is something that affects all 140k selectees. The last most obvious one we saw for sure was 2012 with the redraw and I can use that to illustrate the description of a coherent theory.

THEORY: The redraw obviously impacted the whole selectee population, but statistics show that the impact was much worse in AF region that other regions (leading to the Sloner theory). Most adults recognize that AF region was more impacted because communication and technology in AF region probably meant that many people didn't find out about their selection in the second draw and that this phenomenon was less of an issue in other regions such as Europe.


Ok - so back to my question and challenge. On Facebook, you confirmed that your theory is that there are a lot more second holes this year compared to a normal year - even compared to 2013. You point at the (incomplete) data in CEAC as evidence. Fine - but my challenge is that you have to explain that with some theory that would cause this mass behaviour. This has to be a global level theory because you are saying this second holes sudden increase is happening globally. Mass behaviour doesn't just change without reason.

I hope that makes more sense....
 
unfortunately we don't have the complete CEAC data of last year in Mars, otherwise we will be able to evaluate the second holes rate to confirm if it's worst ..., next year they will be lucky since they will have all CEAC data and for each month .....

Not an easy mission you are giving here simon but i will :)
Give me a day to think about all the factors that can cause this massive drop !
 
Some of them (second holes) send the forms but those forms can be rejected also if they are not complete ....

No Sloner. Let me say it very slowly.

The global change that Vladek is discussing is on the RESPONSE rate. That is selectees deciding whether to send in their forms or not. In what POSSIBLE WAY could "new software" affect that????
 
Some of them (second holes) send the forms but those forms can be rejected also if they are not complete ....


No I don't think that is correct. Once the selectee is notified KCC cannot reject their form or disqualify them. They could "red flag something they considered worth investigating - but they would schedule the interview regardless. At the interview the case could perhaps be disqualified - but then it should appear in CEAC. So - the second holes (or in your example, late submissions) have the same chances of being rejected as anyone else.
 
No I don't think that is correct. Once the selectee is notified KCC cannot reject their form or disqualify them. They could "red flag something they considered worth investigating - but they would schedule the interview regardless. At the interview the case could perhaps be disqualified - but then it should appear in CEAC. So - the second holes (or in your example, late submissions) have the same chances of being rejected as anyone else.

Rtaevsky once was saying the non signed forms will be rejected by KFC!?
 
Rtaevsky once was saying the non signed forms will be rejected by KFC!?

Hmmm - I don't remember reading that. The 230 is suposed to be unsigned, but the 122 is supposed to be signed. I'm not sure what they would do, but in any case - part of my point was that that is no more or less likely for late submissions than on time submissions.
 
I agree with you Simon but when I said 'KCC reject forms' I meant: incorrect forms, mistakes, no pictures....., I am sure that from the 90k people who sent the forms, some of them will make mistakes and even forget to fill out one of the two forms, in this case, he will be rejected, I am speaking about those cases, they might be few but I am sure that they exist ....

No I don't think that is correct. Once the selectee is notified KCC cannot reject their form or disqualify them. They could "red flag something they considered worth investigating - but they would schedule the interview regardless. At the interview the case could perhaps be disqualified - but then it should appear in CEAC. So - the second holes (or in your example, late submissions) have the same chances of being rejected as anyone else.
 
I agree with you Simon but when I said 'KCC reject forms' I meant: incorrect forms, mistakes, no pictures....., I am sure that from the 90k people who sent the forms, some of them will make mistakes and even forget to fill out one of the two forms, in this case, he will be rejected, I am speaking about those cases, they might be few but I am sure that they exist ....

Even then I'm not sure they reject the case. They may simply open the file and wait for someone to "fix" the problem. When someone realizes they are not being scheduled for interview - they would probably contact KCC. In any case, it seems you are in argreement that these cases are not particular to the late senders, so even if they exist - they exist within the whole population - and again there is no reason why there should be more cases like that this year as compared to other years.
 
I agree with you Simon but when I said 'KCC reject forms' I meant: incorrect forms, mistakes, no pictures....., I am sure that from the 90k people who sent the forms, some of them will make mistakes and even forget to fill out one of the two forms, in this case, he will be rejected, I am speaking about those cases, they might be few but I am sure that they exist ....

KCC does not have the jurisdiction to reject selectees based on incorrectly filled or unsigned forms, missing pictures or whatever other grounds there may be. So they not reject selectees or refuse to schedule interviews for them. They will simply flag files they feel the CO should pay closer attention to during the interview.
 
yes, most probably, I don't think that they will send an email asking them to resend a new signed forms....

As a matter of fact, yes, they do email applicants/selectees asking them to provide pertinent information that may be missing on their forms. If it has to do with the missing signature on the DSP form, all they have to do is flag the file and request the CO to ensure the selectee signs the form at the time of interview. They will not disqualify or reject the selectee based on that.

There have been reported cases of people here in the forum who reported getting an email from KCC asking them to provide missing information
 
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I am not saying that they are so often this year comparing to other years, I am saying that they always exist... and this remain my point of view since a saw some guys reporting that last September, they tried to send new forms via email but it was too late, anyway let's don't focus on that, it was just a remark concerning the second holes.

Even then I'm not sure they reject the case. They may simply open the file and wait for someone to "fix" the problem. When someone realizes they are not being scheduled for interview - they would probably contact KCC. In any case, it seems you are in argreement that these cases are not particular to the late senders, so even if they exist - they exist within the whole population - and again there is no reason why there should be more cases like that this year as compared to other years.
 
Hello everybody
I can tell you that for FRANCE (DV-2015EU), selected DV Winners is exactly 816 persons (family included). That 's not seem to be so huge number, based on number of Applications from France this year. What do you think? And how many people of France has won finally in the last years? According to this figure, the CS EU434XX has his chance to get an interview in due time? Cause I don't know if it's possible to know the CS for France (I think it's impossible).
 
Hello everybody
I can tell you that for FRANCE (DV-2015EU), selected DV Winners is exactly 816 persons (family included). That 's not seem to be so huge number, based on number of Applications from France this year. What do you think? And how many people of France has won finally in the last years? According to this figure, the CS EU434XX has his chance to get an interview in due time? Cause I don't know if it's possible to know the CS for France (I think it's impossible).

The number of selectees for a country doesn't really matter - you "compete" within the region and globally.

Regarding your number, you will learn a lot from what happens in this year DV2014. If a similar number gets interviewed this year, then you could take that as a good sign.
 
Gosh! Thank you Britsimon… But if there is less people competiting in France, the US Embassy in Paris will be less overloaded and contact us earlier WHEN the CS will be current, right?
 
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