DV Lottery 2012 lawyer action (part 3) Office Inspector General LAUNCH INVESTIGATION US DoS

[Samusoni]

The problem with secretive processes like this one is that there is little accountability if errors happen, except of course if they are as obvious as this one. If we were using paper applications as in earlier years, this could have happened and NOBODy would have noticed or raise a hoof. Now, for instance, if they were to use image detection software (that is still a very new and has very high false positives) to detect bad (or repeat photo submissions) and it erroneously wipes out 50% (even 90%) of the applicants...then they would redraw on the remaining 50% (10%), NONOBODY would ever know. I don't think there are audits either.

 

[Tazmania]

Many people had large amounts on their bank statements and later found out it was a bank error....they don't get to keep 1%, 10% or 100% they will have to return it and receive 0%. There are even stories of people who started to spend it and had to pay back....

You dont get, right? Such things are not the case here.

 

[Maju]

The issue of the lottery and money being deposited by error are totaly different issues.Like l had said before this issue is complex it requires the decisions of experts not laymen trying to patch and forge explanations and rulings.Let the people who went to school to learn on solving and deliberating on these issues do their jobs.Most of the people trying to explain stuff here are not lawyers,but quacks and know nothing or just have an idea or what is going on.Believe me if this matter is in court and if rulings are given to deny the 22k to proceed,they will not give reasons that most of you guys are giving.No oranges or bank accounts will be mentioned...But they will be quoting and reffering from the U.S constitution which lm sure most of the people here have not seen let alone read it.

 

[mn2_200]

Winning or thinking you have received a lot of money which later is proven to be an error doesn't give you the right to keep it.

Many people had large amounts on their bank statements and later found out it was a bank error....they don't get to keep 1%, 10% or 100% they will have to return it and receive 0%. There are even stories of people who started to spend it and had to pay back....

It was invalid....either keep whining or live in reality....

your example is non sense there is complete difference between a bank statement and what we talk about,
it was a lottery , results wr declared ,and now are canceled .which is very strange,,,,, at least the winners were not promised a green card but they WERE promised a applicatio*n process for it. All they want is to be allowed to proceed with their applicatio*ns just like it was promised to them.

 

[Abbie]

What I mean by "back of the line" is that I am happy to settle for a case number after the new selectees, so the "disadvantaged arguement" is no longer valid. By August/September all numbers are current anyway. Of course, I would rather have my original case number, but "back of the line" is better than nothing, and it means DOS saves face as it still gives the original winners what they were offered - a chance to pursue the application.

Also, does the law insist that 100,000 selectees have to be drawn? I suspect that number is an administrative decision, and they could just as well only draw 80,000 or even 50,000 if they choose.

As an "act of goodwill", DOS could proceed with those selectees who can show that they were officially notified and can prove they had acted upon the offer (eg-courier costs etc.)

And what of the other selectees who never checked their results? - they were never comunicated with. End of story. Will they try to sue? on what basis? Have to decide the line somewhere.

My personal opinion is that the only reason for all this mess is that the results were available online immediately. If notification was still via letter, this would have gone unnoticed as in previous years (I have seen speculation that in previous years results have been skewed towards other dates). Therefore the 2012 winners really have been victims of this mess. So personally I believe that the original draw should be reinstated. (Yes - I am of the "Still Random - just not the random that was expected" camp.

 

[bentlebee]

What I mean by "back of the line" is that I am happy to settle for a case number after the new selectees, so the "disadvantaged arguement" is no longer valid. By August/September all numbers are current anyway. Of course, I would rather have my original case number, but "back of the line" is better than nothing, and it means DOS saves face as it still gives the original winners what they were offered - a chance to pursue the application.

Also, does the law insist that 100,000 selectees have to be drawn? I suspect that number is an administrative decision, and they could just as well only draw 80,000 or even 50,000 if they choose.

As an "act of goodwill", DOS could proceed with those selectees who can show that they were officially notified and can prove they had acted upon the offer (eg-courier costs etc.)

And what of the other selectees who never checked their results? - they were never comunicated with. End of story. Will they try to sue? on what basis? Have to decide the line somewhere.

My personal opinion is that the only reason for all this mess is that the results were available online immediately. If notification was still via letter, this would have gone unnoticed as in previous years (I have seen speculation that in previous years results have been skewed towards other dates). Therefore the 2012 winners really have been victims of this mess. So personally I believe that the original draw should be reinstated. (Yes - I am of the "Still Random - just not the random that was expected" camp.

The DV lottery already has ruled that this is not an option since a mistake was made...But keep going on about it, they for sure will not do what you want, since they made their decision. Even a lawsuit will take so long and cost so much money that by the time and the appeals have been taken care off the people loose out since one thing is very clear....the deadline is Sept. 2012 and no appeal will be over before that time and even if it is, the people who thought they won have to start the process at that point, which will not be enough time....

But I wish you good luck with your losing mission...perhaps you can create that miracle....btw, how many lawyers have reported to work on the case? How many lawyers with good results on immigration law? Okay....I know you won't get it and think you are entitled to move on...some people are hopeless and helpless...

 

[Arekee]

Guys if i were to comment on the issues of whether they ll accept the 22,000 winners or they ll have another redrawin.Well i will say first that the 22,000 winners was not done in a fair random to all that participated in DV.Secondly question to the 22,000 winners,if u guys the 22,000 winners were to be the other applicants who were not selected base on a computer error or were not selected on a fair ground,the question is how would u guys feel?would u guys accept your fate that you were not selected?no i dnt think you 22,000 winners would ever acept that,so to me i think what DOC did was the right decision on a fair ground cos we all need to be fair in everything we do in life.

 

[Arekee]

I dnt knw why some guys here would just be messin up this forum without postin any message here.Pls this is not an advert station or studio where you market your name,for GOD sake this is a forum to gain share learn and pass ideas not a forum to advertise your id name or your name.I'm referrin to MAJU stop this if u dnt have anythin to post here cos there are millions DV applicants out there who re lookin for the right forum to join but no link to reach them.If such people had been in the forum we would be gettin more and more knowledge, ideas and advises, but instead we have somebody just occupyin a space for nothn without commentin on advertin he/her name to me this is wrong.Forumites what do guys think abt this attitude?

 

[mn2_200]

Guys if i were to comment on the issues of whether they ll accept the 22,000 winners or they ll have another redrawin.Well i will say first that the 22,000 winners was not done in a fair random to all that participated in DV.Secondly question to the 22,000 winners,if u guys the 22,000 winners were to be the other applicants who were not selected base on a computer error or were not selected on a fair ground,the question is how would u guys feel?would u guys accept your fate that you were not selected?no i dnt think you 22,000 winners would ever acept that,so to me i think what DOC did was the right decision on a fair ground cos we all need to be fair in everything we do in life.

"not done in a fair random"!!!!! WHAT IS THE CRITERIA OF FAIR SELECTION IN YOUR OPINION?
the KCC and DOS admitted that the error was not from a personal intent , and by the manner you think we should also cancel the GC visas of previous lottery as many people mentioned that more than 10000 were selected from the last day !?.
Although we should respect any decision taken by USA gov, but any person has the right to express un pleasure from any decision

 

[mn2_200]

why there is some people very happy from what happened ?!!
we all know if you got a 5 years visitor visa you feel very very happy , what about people won a lottery and then get cancelled for un clear and un logic reasons , and you advise them to keep calm!!! the worst thing is the reaction of some users in this forums they try to be a silly psychiatrists and in fact they make people more angry after reading their comments in the forums .
and about the idea that winning a dv not a sure thing to get a residency .... ask the majority of winners in previous lotteries and they will tell you .
if fact what happened was a disaster , i hope the DOS make better solutions like accepting the 22000 and do a draw on 78000.

 

[ololo12]

Men, why do people gotta keep on stressing themselves over spilled milk. All these whining won't do anything. Just like they said the DV lottery result was posted in Error, and a redraw to take place, which is already been done. I am also an affected winner, i know what how i felt, when i realized the result were rescinded. But common guys, we have to accept the fact, and move on and do something productive with our lives. Instead of signing all the BS petitions that won't go even go far, change anything in the least. All the affected winners can do is hope and pray that they get reselected again.. Winning the lottery isn't a guarantee you'll get the green card. Do something productive with your lives mates.

 

[Cliff2]

While i agree and disgree at the same time. The US is the land of the free, freedom of express is one of their fundation. If you can sue your room mate for not cleaning the bathroom at his own pace, why not sue the Govt for scam notification letter? And yes, ex-winner, do not pack all your eggs in war against DOS. DO something productive while hoping for the best. Good Luck!!!

 

[Arekee]

Mn2_200 for what i can see here u were among the 22,000 winners that applied OCT 5 or 6 2010.Pls read back ur last 2 line of ur comment?That DOS and KCC shoul accept the 22,000 and have a redrawin selection for 78,000 to me i dont have any problem with that.Now my question to you?If u were to be among the applicants that applied OCT 5 or 6 2010 and u were not selected among the 22,000 winners, wat would u have done or how would u have felt seein about 90% of those that applied OCT 5 and 6 2010 be honest to the house?

 

[Arekee]

Ololo12 i strongly agree with u,instead of the xwinners to be 4 there names to be selected again they re there busy takin DOS to court which ll never yield positive result.Am not speakin base on i did not win but the fact remains we have to move on with our lives i knw its painful to see the 22,000 winners be cancelled just like that all because of computer error who knows u never can tell who ll be selected again instead of accusin one another in this forum.

 

[bentlebee]

While i agree and disgree at the same time. The US is the land of the free, freedom of express is one of their fundation. If you can sue your room mate for not cleaning the bathroom at his own pace, why not sue the Govt for scam notification letter? And yes, ex-winner, do not pack all your eggs in war against DOS. DO something productive while hoping for the best. Good Luck!!!

Indeed land of the free and you know what happens to people with these crazy lawsuits....it is public record and many employers use the public records to check out people before hiring and when they discover crazy lawsuits what do you think they do? If you are smart you will know....

I'm an employer and we do the same thing...do you think we want to hire people who are sue happy and sue crazy? In case some of these people really have to sue, all the previous cases will brought up to show what kind of person it is and how they sue for crazy stuff...but you are right "roommates can and will sue each other"....even a lady sued the owner of a vending machine after she was caught on tape pushing it over so her child got hurt....that is the land of the free and the crazy, and the smart people sue when they have a good case, not with a case like this...but it is becoming hilarious to see the desperation of some...for others I really feel sorry, but for some I feel they got what they deserve...entitlement is not something that will give you a GC.

 

[Arekee]

Bentlebee u re right man,the ex-winners here re full of greed and selfishness all they want in directly is for DOS not to redrawin a fair selection which they re afraid that they might not get that chance to be selected again and which is wrong bcos no one knows who ll be re-selected so if it a wish of general cancellation instead of havin a fresh redrawin then GOD ll not allow that to happen there ll be a redrawin selection for all qualified entry. I want the ex- winners to knw that nobody here is againts them but they should be fair and honest to ask the previouse DV winners if they got there GC thru goin to court even if there results were not voided?or u 22,000 winners think that goin to court would give u a GC?

 

[huangjs]

The thing is, this UNFAIR selection has been used for many years. Like the DV-2011, it's known that the selectees are mostly from the application of the last 2 days. So what's the point to cancel only this year after the notification letters were already released?
Now the case is going to be in court process. So those who against don't worry too much. Let the court to decide the future of the 22000 people.

 

[huangjs]

This is a class action. Nobody will take too much concerns because it's a group-to-group lawsuit.

Indeed land of the free and you know what happens to people with these crazy lawsuits....it is public record and many employers use the public records to check out people before hiring and when they discover crazy lawsuits what do you think they do? If you are smart you will know....

I'm an employer and we do the same thing...do you think we want to hire people who are sue happy and sue crazy? In case some of these people really have to sue, all the previous cases will brought up to show what kind of person it is and how they sue for crazy stuff...but you are right "roommates can and will sue each other"....even a lady sued the owner of a vending machine after she was caught on tape pushing it over so her child got hurt....that is the land of the free and the crazy, and the smart people sue when they have a good case, not with a case like this...but it is becoming hilarious to see the desperation of some...for others I really feel sorry, but for some I feel they got what they deserve...entitlement is not something that will give you a GC.

 

[mn2_200]

Mn2_200 for what i can see here u were among the 22,000 winners that applied OCT 5 or 6 2010.Pls read back ur last 2 line of ur comment?That DOS and KCC shoul accept the 22,000 and have a redrawin selection for 78,000 to me i dont have any problem with that.Now my question to you?If u were to be among the applicants that applied OCT 5 or 6 2010 and u were not selected among the 22,000 winners, wat would u have done or how would u have felt seein about 90% of those that applied OCT 5 and 6 2010 be honest to the house?

I will have the same feeling of the non winners ,but this happy feeling is because i will have another chance to win not because other people lost their chances for ever , and do not think the problem is in the date ,, we all know before this lottery "any time chosen by the computer was accepted for us even if the computer chosen all the people from a certain date or even an hour"you know why? because it is a lottery ==>no role in choice unless human interfere occurred"which did not happened "
why you think 22000 took the looser chances ,,acually when i said 22000 should be reselected ,because it never happened before that a person win lottery for twice ,, that why the chances of winners is zero , and chances of non winners is normal with double trials.

 

[mn2_200]

Indeed land of the free and you know what happens to people with these crazy lawsuits....it is public record and many employers use the public records to check out people before hiring and when they discover crazy lawsuits what do you think they do? If you are smart you will know....

I'm an employer and we do the same thing...do you think we want to hire people who are sue happy and sue crazy? In case some of these people really have to sue, all the previous cases will brought up to show what kind of person it is and how they sue for crazy stuff...but you are right "roommates can and will sue each other"....even a lady sued the owner of a vending machine after she was caught on tape pushing it over so her child got hurt....that is the land of the free and the crazy, and the smart people sue when they have a good case, not with a case like this...but it is becoming hilarious to see the desperation of some...for others I really feel sorry, but for some I feel they got what they deserve...entitlement is not something that will give you a GC.

Are you speaking about The USA or The Soviet Union ,,, Conrad !!