DV 2021 ALL SELECTEES

[SSK4U]

About filling the ds260 now or not... like they saying is up to you to understand the process before filling the ds260 and also making an immigration intent.

A friend was denied an immigrant visa through DV lottery but later on married a USA citizen and applied for an immigrant visa CR1 and he was successful without any problems.

 

[SSK4U]

I think it is the best and wisest idea, I am in the low 6K and I will do that. If you fill it, there will be immigrant intent in your record and it will make it extremely complicated to get any other kind of non immigrant visa (F1, B1, J1, H1B... may even affect an ESTA). Sure, given that situation you could try and explain it but it will be reaaaaaaaaaally complicated and why take the risk anyway given there is another option? If things do get better by then, you will have plenty of time to fill it.

I don't think if you provide all the necessary information it would be extremely complicated to get any other kind of visa like you saying. It's those who give out misinformation on their forms have complicated issues.

 

[Britsimon]

Whoever does not submit DS260 is truly a schmuck. People here will advise you not to send DS260 so you leave a chance for them to be interviewed. Einstein said he was not sure human's stupidity has limits. Here we are seeing he was right. Submit your DS260 Asap you shmucks. That is why you attended the Dv lottery at the first place.

Don't give people advice when you clearly don't understand the issues involved, or the problems that could be caused.

 

[SusieQQQ]

I don't think if you provide all the necessary information it would be extremely complicated to get any other kind of visa like you saying. It's those who give out misinformation on their forms have complicated issues.

Are you aware of section 214b of the INA?

 

[Sm1smom]

About filling the ds260 now or not... like they saying is up to you to understand the process before filling the ds260 and also making an immigration intent.

A friend was denied an immigrant visa through DV lottery but later on married a USA citizen and applied for an immigrant visa CR1 and he was successful without any problems.

Apples and oranges comparison. There’s no reason for your friend’s marriage based immigrant petition to not have been approved. A previously demonstrated immigrant intent which resulted in an unsuccessful outcome has no bearing on a new immigrant petition.

 

[SSK4U]

Are you aware of section 214b of the INA?

Yes unless you want to give me further explanation since you know more than me here...

 

[SSK4U]

Apples and oranges comparison. There’s no reason for your friend’s marriage based immigrant petition to not have been approved. A previously demonstrated immigrant intent which resulted in an unsuccessful outcome has no bearing on a new immigrant petition.

So you couldn't have given your point without staying "apples and oranges comparison" and oh I read your early response you wrote but you deleted it.

 

[DV21M]

Whoever does not submit DS260 is truly a schmuck. People here will advise you not to send DS260 so you leave a chance for them to be interviewed. Einstein said he was not sure human's stupidity has limits. Here we are seeing he was right. Submit your DS260 Asap you shmucks. That is why you attended the Dv lottery at the first place.

This is probably the most uneducated and rude message I have seen in the whole forum so far. It is also pretty harmful for whoever does not know best and decides to take your misguided and very very incorrect advice.

 

[DV21M]

Yes unless you want to give me further explanation since you know more than me here...

I don't think if you provide all the necessary information it would be extremely complicated to get any other kind of visa like you saying. It's those who give out misinformation on their forms have complicated issues.

It has nothing to do with giving out misinformation or having other issues or not providing all the necessary information. When you apply for any kind of visa you are automatically presumed to have immigrant intent (as a starting point) and if the visa you are applying for is a non immigrant, you have to overcome this presumption -it is on you to convince the CO that you do not intend to immigrate-. In most cases, it is fine (I have seen plenty of people applying to be students or Au Pairs without even having to worry about this) but I also have seen friends getting those same visas denied because they could not prove "strong ties to their countries" (meaning that they would come back once the purpose of that visa was fulfilled).
Now, if in the past you have declared immigrant intent (for example by filling a DS260), you add to that general presumption the fact that you have in fact confirmed it yourself. Sure, I guess there are cases where you could still overcome it, but it will be immensely harder.

We even saw someone in the forum a few weeks back that is facing the issue of overcoming that presumption ONLY because they were selected for the DV, they hadn't even submitted their DS260 and now they were worried about not being able to attend the college they had been admitted into.

PS: in the example of your friend, the visa they were getting later was also an immigrant visa so there is no issue regarding immigrant intent.

 

[DV21M]

Folks, follow the steps of the process you got in. Your source is KCC. If you get selected, do what KCC tells you to do whenever they ask to. This forum is trespassing what it is meant for. Tips are good. But starting to get in KCC's personnel mind and makes guesses and If If and maybe's, will screw this simple thing made of simple clear steps. Unfortunately, YouTube videos from former dv lottery winners giving "generously" free advices to those in the process of immigration are also a disaster sometimes. Rules from KCC change every year or so. You are a dv lottery 2021 winner, then just see what KCC asks you to do and do it asap. That simple.

So, if you are so well versed on US immigration system and laws, what can you tell me about declaring immigrant intent and that representing a problem in the future if DV's situation does not resolve in time for these people (us people, me included) to get the interview and/or visas?
Do you realize that by telling people to submit their DS260 "ASAP" you are messing with their future opportunities and chances to do something else in life in the US (ie. study)?
It feels kinda cocky and egotistical to me, to be honest. If you want to submit your DS (which by previous posts seems you did right away) then that is great for you. If you have no other intentions of going to the US in the future if you do not get a chance to get the DV, then good for you. Now, if you are not sour because you have realized that you might have screwed up submitting it so soon without being patience and gathering all the appropriate information, then I am sorry for you; but I do not think it is fair or nice to come here to discredit other people's hard and VOLUNTARY work and to misguide anyone looking for actual help. Specially because you clearly do not look very educated/informed about US immigration system yourself.

 

[SSK4U]

Why did you play the DV lottery in the first place if you didn't have an immigrant intent?
For me it's because you have one that was why you played the lottery and you have read all the necessary requirements before even playing the lottery.
I don't want to assume that this same thing don't fill the ds260 early has cost lots of DV2020 applicants not getting their visas in time before covid-19 became a pandemic.

 

[Chunky2k]

In conclusion as far i read here:

If you have plans to visit the US (as i understood so far for non immigration visa) it is better not to file the DS260 just now and wait:
A) Until AILA or any other law suits takes the ban down.
B) the ban ends at the end of December and never get extended

If you are not planning to visit the US, you can proceed with the DS260.

In either ways it is your decision and best of luck to you all

 

[DV21M]

In conclusion as far i read here:

If you have plans to visit the US (as i understood so far for non immigration visa) it is better not to file the DS260 just now and wait:
A) Until AILA or any other law suits takes the ban down.
B) the ban ends at the end of December and never get extended

If you are not planning to visit the US, you can proceed with the DS260.

In either ways it is your decision and best of luck to you all

Visiting, studying, temporary or seasonal work, Au Pair, visiting teacher, exchange of any kind, internship...

 

[Kafui]

if you don't want to submit ds260, then why take part in the lottery in the first place. Because even without ds260 they can still find your details in their system. US embassy can still find your name in their selectee system.

 

[DV21M]

if you don't want to submit ds260, then why take part in the lottery in the first place. Because even without ds260 they can still find your details in their system. US embassy can still find your name in their selectee system.

It is highly unlikely to be selected and a lot of the people that apply end up doing other things with their lives that takes them to the US through non immigrant routes (like I said above: studying, working, internship, etc) and in those cases they do not have immigrant intent because they plan to return to their country once they are done with it.
Simply applying does not show immigrant intent because you can change your mind, not get selected, get selected and decide not to proceed with it...

 

[SusieQQQ]

It is highly unlikely to be selected and a lot of the people that apply end up doing other things with their lives that takes them to the US through non immigrant routes (like I said above: studying, working, internship, etc) and in those cases they do not have immigrant intent because they plan to return to their country once they are done with it.
Simply applying does not show immigrant intent because you can change your mind, not get selected, get selected and decide not to proceed with it...

Correct. This is why KCC select so many more people than visas are available, because many entrants do not actually want to immigrate after all. Just entering a lottery is not immigrant intent, nor is being selected. The point at which you express immigrant intent is by submitting DS260 (or i485 for adjustment applicants).

 

[Chunky2k]

if you don't want to submit ds260, then why take part in the lottery in the first place. Because even without ds260 they can still find your details in their system. US embassy can still find your name in their selectee system.

when you fill the DV lottery application, you signal your interest in the idea

when you submit the DS260, it is showing interest that you want to immigrate

beside, many people after they get selected they decided not to go, remember that since you apply the DV application until the interview is a LONG time, many people's life do change, better job, more income, immigration to another country.

in the end it is your application, the advice was for people who plan at LEAST to come to visit the US on non immigration visa, not everyone has similar life as anyone else.

 

[Niraj dju]

My case number is AS 5***
I didn't get email for additional document

 

[SusieQQQ]

when you fill the DV lottery application, you signal your interest in the idea

when you submit the DS260, it is showing interest that you want to immigrate

beside, many people after they get selected they decided not to go, remember that since you apply the DV application until the interview is a LONG time, many people's life do change, better job, more income, immigration to another country.

in the end it is your application, the advice was for people who plan at LEAST to come to visit the US on non immigration visa, not everyone has similar life as anyone else.

The advice was for people with higher numbers. I presume everyone here understands that interviews are scheduled in case number order. For people with higher numbers, there is plenty of time to wait and see how the visa bulletin is progressing before submitting DS260. There is no benefit gained by submitting early so there is simply no rush, when there may be a negative consequence for immigrant intent. 214b - inability to overcome the presumption of immigrant intent - is the most common reason for non immigrant visa refusals.

 

[macherie]

Hello, everyone! I have just found this forum this morning. I really appreciate the information here.
My husband is a selectee in DV2021, case number 2021EU00005XXX.
I have a question about one of my previous addresses and the required police certificate. Here is the case:

When I was young (22 years old) in the period from the end of December 2006 till June 2008 I lived and worked in Greece (in the sphere of tourism). But I didn't have neither an employment contract, nor I had registered for a temporary residence in the police department.

Me and my husband sent our DS forms 3 weeks ago but in my application I didn't mention the fact that I lived in another country (Greece) for a period of an year and a half. These days I realized that mistake and asked KCC to unlock my DS260 in order to fill in the missing details about Greece. A day after KCC unlocked my DS260 my husband received the mail from them with the instructions for the further supporting DV documents.

The problem is that I cannot obtain a police certificate from Greece, because in the reciprocity page is given the following information:
"Non-Greek citizens residing abroad cannot apply for a Penal Record at a Greek embassy or consulate overseas. Such applicants will need to authorize a representative to apply on their behalf. Authorizations must be notarized at a Greek embassy or consulate overseas. Representatives for non-Greek citizens residing overseas can apply for in person at the Bureau of Penal Records for Foreigners (Υπηρεσία Ποινικού Μητρώου Αλλοδαπών - Ipiresia Pinikou Mitroou allodapon), Mesogion 96, 101 79"

I don't know a person whom to authorize to apply on my behalf. Also I cannot personally visit the Ministry of Justice in Greece because of Covid situation. Today I talked to the Greek Embassy in my home country and he told me that he is not authorized to issue such police certificates.

How should I proceed now? I think must mention my residence in Greece in DS260. And then when sending the supporting documents I will explain KCC why I do not attach a police certificate from Greece.
What would be your advice? Would this lead to disqualification for me?

Thanks a lot.