Well I am worse off since my tickets are even more recent. I have a ticket this year and in a couple of previous years. 2001 was my worst year with 5 tickets
Well at this point we have what we have.
Traffic tickets and naturalization (threads merged)
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Well I am worse off since my tickets are even more recent. I have a ticket this year and in a couple of previous years. 2001 was my worst year with 5 tickets
Well at this point we have what we have.1 tickect, 2 tickects.....same difference. I have had more than 20. (seriously!)
2manytickets
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Wow! I see that you're a US citizen now. Did you disclose your tickets in your N400 or talk about it with IO? I'd appreciate if you tell me about your experience. Thanks a lot...
No I didn't disclose. I had my driving record showing I don't ought any outstading tickets, but OI didn't ask. Wether you disclose or not, the most impotant is to have documentation just in case.
Hi, I have been following this thread for sometime as I was waiting for my Interview Letter.
Today 09/17/09, I received my interview letter for 11/10/09, and there was another document with the IL notice, Form N-659 (Interview Document Check List) and under point # 10 , there was a note as follows:
"Note: Unless a traffic incident was alcohol or drug related or serious personal injury to another person occured, you do not need to submit documentation for traffic fines and incidentsthat did not involve an actual arrest, if the only penalty was a fine of less than $500 and/or points on your driver's license"
I had a speeding ticket back in 12/2007, and I paid the fine $273.00, which was refunded back to me in 05/2008 as my case was dismissed in the court
When I filled the N-400 application, I did not mention this ticket as it was dismissed, and after looking at this thread I started to get confused .
So does the above note means we have to declare the traffic incidents even if fines less than $500, but we do not need to bring documentation for it during the interview , would appreciate if someone can explain ??
Today 09/17/09, I received my interview letter for 11/10/09, and there was another document with the IL notice, Form N-659 (Interview Document Check List) and under point # 10 , there was a note as follows:
"Note: Unless a traffic incident was alcohol or drug related or serious personal injury to another person occured, you do not need to submit documentation for traffic fines and incidentsthat did not involve an actual arrest, if the only penalty was a fine of less than $500 and/or points on your driver's license"
I had a speeding ticket back in 12/2007, and I paid the fine $273.00, which was refunded back to me in 05/2008 as my case was dismissed in the court
When I filled the N-400 application, I did not mention this ticket as it was dismissed, and after looking at this thread I started to get confused .
So does the above note means we have to declare the traffic incidents even if fines less than $500, but we do not need to bring documentation for it during the interview , would appreciate if someone can explain ??
2manytickets
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Thanks formerf1. Things are very ambiguous. I'll definitely get my traffic records and take them to the interview. Based on the Naturalization guide that asks for documents only for DUI and fines over $500, it makes sense to not disclose the minor violations but have the records at the interview. But I still may talk to a lawyer. If I get any clear advice, I'll post it here. Thanks again for your feedback.
I tried to talk to my lawyer about one of my tickets and he wanted $1000 just for that in addition to the $1500 he wanted for filing. I have now decided to file on my own and if USCIS has questions about my tickets there is nothing that the lawyer can do that I cannot. He even wanted me to get all the details from the ticket from the court even. All it was a accident just my car involved no one hurt but since it was rain and I was at the posted speed limit I got a misdemeanor. Apparently I was supposed to drive below the posted speed limit. I think USCIS should prescribe fees for immigration lawyers like our President is defining wall street exec's pay
No offense but after paying $200/h for a lawyer there shouldn't be any unanswered questions. What type of citation did you receive?
If it was DUI/DWI related you would need to submit documentation.
No need to send dispositions. Take them to your interview.
It's fairly obvious that the question regarding committing offenses or crimes for which an applicant was not arrested refers to ARRESTABLE offenses which the applicant got away with. A traffic violation (other than DUI/DWI and some reckless driving offenses) are NOT ARRESTABLE to begin with. Therefore, the answer to that question should be "NO". Same goes for the question about being convicted of an offense. It clearly refers to having been convicted in a court of law. If, by your logic, an applicant had to answer "YES" to both of those questions, just about every applicant would appear to be a hardened criminal. If anything, the only question that applicants with traffic tickets should answer "YES" to is the question that asks if the applicant has ever been cited.
anonymous1979
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Folks
My wife was involved in an accident in which a pedestrian was hurt. Cops did not issue any tickets since it seemed more of pedestrians fault. Now, do I need to report that incident. If I do, there is no documentation available since no tickets were issued
Your opinion/suggestions in this matter are greatly appreciated
My wife was involved in an accident in which a pedestrian was hurt. Cops did not issue any tickets since it seemed more of pedestrians fault. Now, do I need to report that incident. If I do, there is no documentation available since no tickets were issued
Your opinion/suggestions in this matter are greatly appreciated
If you reread my original post, you'll see that I didn't mention anything even close to not having to disclose traffic tickets. What I did say was that if you CHOOSE to disclose traffic tickets, then answer "YES" to the question that asks if you've ever been cited by a law enforcement officer, not the questions asking if you've ever committed a crime or offense for which you weren't arrested or the question about having been convicted of a crime or offense.
At my interview, the IO never asked me if I've ever been cited, but asked me if I've ever been arrested. At my oath, the IO in charge specifically instructed everyone not to disclose traffic tickets. Also, I highly doubt that the USCIS will initiate denaturalization proceedings because an otherwise applicant didn't disclose traffic tickets. There are way more serious things to worry about than traffic tickets. Plain and simple, the USCIS doesn't care about them, unless it's a DWI/DUI/reckless driving with a fine over $500.
There have also been plenty of cases on this forum where the IO crossed out "YES" and entered "NO" when applicants disclosed traffic tickets. As far as paying a traffic fine, it is not a CRIMINAL conviction. Also, your statement about tickets handled in court not being administrative proceedings is simply not true. For example, in New York State, traffic tickets are handled by the traffic violations bureau, which is a purely administrative agency, operating under the umbrella of DMV. Perhaps in your state traffic tickets are treated as criminal violations (let me know what state it is, so I can make sure never to drive through it), but that doesn't mean that every state treats them the same way.
I stand with Vorpal on this.
Maybe because I'm a fellow Newyorker, but I think having 2300 post about traffic tickets is paranoia.
I called several times USCIS and spoke to IOs. They all told me they don't care about those, unless there was an arrest involved.
I had a few tickets but I checked NO.
Checking YES to having committed a crime for which there was no arrest is pure paranoia. The question itself clearly has other purposes.
Maybe because I'm a fellow Newyorker, but I think having 2300 post about traffic tickets is paranoia.
I called several times USCIS and spoke to IOs. They all told me they don't care about those, unless there was an arrest involved.
I had a few tickets but I checked NO.
Checking YES to having committed a crime for which there was no arrest is pure paranoia. The question itself clearly has other purposes.
There you go, you found the explanation of the unclear instructions.
Let's use some common sense and we will have a better life.
My friend, you go ahead and disclose them.
I didn't disclose them. And you are the one with a bigger chance of having your case delayed.
All I'll do is bringing a fresh DMV record which says that my DL is valid (and therefore no unpaid tickets). And be sure I won't volunteer any info. And I'll still answer NO to that question, unless SPECIFICALLY asked about traffic tickets by the IO.
if you have a copy of the n-400 app. please goto the last page and look for your signatures and read the statements right above it.
And when you go for the interview you will take the truth serum i.e. oath to speak the truth .
Technically and legally you would not be disclosing the truth if you dont tell it to the IO
This is not a legal advice
I can live with that.
pintoo12333
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Here is link to appeal of an n-400 that was denied by the DAO for not disclosing the tickets and DWLS .
Read carefully what the judge says. The tickets per se are not an issue but not disclosing it amounts to lack of good moral character i.e. lying
http://www.mied.uscourts.gov/Opinions/lawsonpdf/07-13198 Keaik Opinion on Cross MSJs.pdf
Read carefully what the judge says. The tickets per se are not an issue but not disclosing it amounts to lack of good moral character i.e. lying
http://www.mied.uscourts.gov/Opinions/lawsonpdf/07-13198 Keaik Opinion on Cross MSJs.pdf