Traffic tickets and naturalization (threads merged)

Congrats on your citizenship.

Now call up the court and find out how and when and where you need to appear before 8/11. It is possible they won't send you a ticket in the mail, because they are probably expecting you to show up in court to get it.
 
In Kuwait, a non-citizen can spend three days in the jail for a traffic offence. The non-citizen does get a free hair cut however :)

Vorpal said:
I agree. It's absolutely ridiculous that a person can be prevented from becoming a citizen because of a minor traffic ticket.
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Form N-445 Oath Ceremony - Parking Violation, what should i do?

Hello,

My mom she is very good moral character, no speeding tickets or any other violation or criminal record. She is taking her Oath Ceremony tomorrow and somehow i decided to read through the instructions and i saw that they mention this question:

- Have you been arrested, cited, charged, indicted, convicted, fined or imprisoned for breaking or violating any law or ordinance, including traffic violation?

My car is registered under my moms name and i have received a parking violation right in front of our house few weeks ago, but i have paid it right away. On the form it asks you to select yes, but if you select "yes" i know it automatically brings up the red flag. My friend told me that when he was taking his oath ceremony he had speeding ticket and he didn't say anything about and he was fine. So i am thinking parking ticket is very minor and is not worth mentioning, what do you people think?

Thanks in advance,

Update: By the way she has a 17 years old daughter that has permanent green car, does she have to come in to the oath ceremony? Because she is in college right now and i don't know she has to come with my mom there? Or she automatically becomes citizen after my moms become citizen?
 
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Sergei1987 said:
Hello,

My mom she is very good moral character, no speeding tickets or any other violation or criminal record. She is taking her Oath Ceremony tomorrow and somehow i decided to read through the instructions and i saw that they mention this question:

- Have you been arrested, cited, charged, indicted, convicted, fined or imprisoned for breaking or violating any law or ordinance, including traffic violation?

My car is registered under my moms name and i have received a parking violation right in front of our house few weeks ago, but i have paid it right away. On the form it asks you to select yes, but if you select "yes" i know it automatically brings up the red flag. My friend told me that when he was taking his oath ceremony he had speeding ticket and he didn't say anything about and he was fine. So i am thinking parking ticket is very minor and is not worth mentioning, what do you people think?

Thanks in advance,

Update: By the way she has a 17 years old daughter that has permanent green car, does she have to come in to the oath ceremony? Because she is in college right now and i don't know she has to come with my mom there? Or she automatically becomes citizen after my moms become citizen?
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A parking violation is NOT a traffic violation. Don't even mention it at the oath.

After your mom becomes a citizen, her 17 year old daughter (your sister?) automatically becomes a citizen and does not need to be present at the oath. She can then apply for a passport under your mom's certificate of naturalization. It's also recommended to file form N-600 for your sister in order for her to obtain her own certificate of naturalization.
 
Thanks for your reply. I just actually found out about N-600, its 460$ fee application. So, if my sister becomes automatically a citizen, than what is the point of submitting N-600? Are there any privileges with having N-600 submitted on her behalf?

By the way, i had recently submitted N-400 my self and i am waiting already for over 3 months for the interview letter to come in, i did my fingerprints one month ago. My moms overall process took about two years since submitting her N-400. We live in South Jersey, close to Philadelphia.

Thanks for your help!
 
Sergei1987 said:
Thanks for your reply. I just actually found out about N-600, its 460$ fee application. So, if my sister becomes automatically a citizen, than what is the point of submitting N-600? Are there any privileges with having N-600 submitted on her behalf?

By the way, i had recently submitted N-400 my self and i am waiting already for over 3 months for the interview letter to come in, i did my fingerprints one month ago. My moms overall process took about two years since submitting her N-400. We live in South Jersey, close to Philadelphia.

Thanks for your help!
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I know your sister becomes automatically based on your mom's citizenship, but it is difficult to identify your sister's citizenship status without a citizenship certificate. Therefore, N-600 is an application for anyone who is a minor based on a citizen parentage to get a certificate of citizenship. It is for getting a US passport, getting a federal job (some non-federal jobs that requires US citizenship), updating social security card information, issuing driver license, reducing college tuition fees, etc. It would helps your sister to be certified. If you don't apply for N-600, it would be difficult for govt agencies, college, or any job office or etc to identify your sister's citizenship status.

Also, if your sister travels to Canada or Mexico, Bermuda, or Caribbean, certificate of citizenship is required without passport. Note: passport will be required on June 1, 2009. (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html)

Second, you will be waiting for your N-400 interview in few months.
 
Certified drivers history - for 5 years or "Complete" ?

Hi,

I wanted to get a certified drivers history abstract from NJ DMV...the web site gives 2 options ...

One can choose either a "5 years certified drivers history abstract"..or a "certified complete drivers history abstract".....

Wanted to check with this board...which one is required/preferred (from an IO's point of view) for the N-400 interview...

There is a $11 non-refundable fee with each option....and the report is physically mailed to the home address...

LolaLi, Boatboad, Vorpal, others....Suggestions welcome...

Thanks.
 
amann said:
Hi,

I wanted to get a certified drivers history abstract from NJ DMV...the web site gives 2 options ...

One can choose either a "5 years certified drivers history abstract"..or a "certified complete drivers history abstract".....

Wanted to check with this board...which one is required/preferred (from an IO's point of view) for the N-400 interview...

There is a $11 non-refundable fee with each option....and the report is physically mailed to the home address...

LolaLi, Boatboad, Vorpal, others....Suggestions welcome...

Thanks.
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Did you have traffic citations in the past? If not, you don't need them. If you had tickets, it is best to get both dmv driving records that show driving points and court driving records that shows each ticket is paid. Both abstract would be fine.
 
USGC485 said:
Did you have traffic citations in the past? If not, you don't need them. If you had tickets, it is best to get both dmv driving records that show driving points and court driving records that shows each ticket is paid. Both abstract would be fine.
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Court driving records aren't available in every state. Before I made the decision not to disclose traffic violations at my interview, I went to the local traffic courts, as well as the traffic violations bureau, to obtain records of my past traffic violations. After a certain time period, proof of payment is not available either, unless it happens to be one of the few munucipalities in NYS (Nassau County, for example) that has its own traffic violations bureau that's not under the jurisdiction of the NYS DMV. The only thing that can be obtained in New York State is the driver abstract, which only shows the past 3 years of traffic violations. Anything that falls outside of that scope is unobtainable. I even filed a FOIA request with the NYS DMV and received a letter stating that NYS purges driver records every 3 years and no records of violations outside of that timeframe can be obtained, unless the violation is a DWI/DUI or certain type of reckless driving.

To answer amann's question, I tend to think that the complete driving abstract would supercede the 5 year driving abstract, being that it covers your complete driving history, rather than just the last 5 years. It seems to be the right choice for interview purposes. However, if you haven't had any traffic violations, there's no need to get it.
 
N-400 traffic tickets - answer from USCIS

This was posted on the USCIS's Community relations web site. Here is the link:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/July 2008 Q & A 7.28.08.doc

10. Question: What documentation is USCIS looking for on N-400 applications for clients who have traffic citations only (no arrests), such as speeding tickets? This is in reference to the Good Moral Character section, question 16, that asks if you have ever been arrested, cited, ...etc. Also, what is expected at the N-400 interview regarding these traffic tickets?

Response: Typically if an individual only has minor traffic citations with no arrests resulting (i.e. speeding tickets), they will not be required to submit any additional information with the N-400. However, if, during the course of the interview, an adjudications officer determines that there are circumstances that warrant further investigation, (e.g. there is an indication that the applicant has failed to pay fines associated with the citations), the officer may request additional documentation. (e.g. payment, certified police/court documents indicating such).
 
vdostoi1 said:
This was posted on the USCIS's Community relations web site. Here is the link:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/July 2008 Q & A 7.28.08.doc

10. Question: What documentation is USCIS looking for on N-400 applications for clients who have traffic citations only (no arrests), such as speeding tickets? This is in reference to the Good Moral Character section, question 16, that asks if you have ever been arrested, cited, ...etc. Also, what is expected at the N-400 interview regarding these traffic tickets?

Response: Typically if an individual only has minor traffic citations with no arrests resulting (i.e. speeding tickets), they will not be required to submit any additional information with the N-400. However, if, during the course of the interview, an adjudications officer determines that there are circumstances that warrant further investigation, (e.g. there is an indication that the applicant has failed to pay fines associated with the citations), the officer may request additional documentation. (e.g. payment, certified police/court documents indicating such).
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Well this clears up somethings, but still leaves that never ending question of "Do I mention it on the N-400". The part in the repsonse that states "they will not be required to submit any additional information with the N-400" almost says that you should mention them on the N-400. Gets really confusing for people. Many of us were told by the USCIS that you do not have to mention them if they met certain criteria (under a certain $ amonunt, not DUI etc).

So even thier documented response, still doesn't say a definate yes or no answer as is typical...
 
warlord said:
Well this clears up somethings, but still leaves that never ending question of "Do I mention it on the N-400". The part in the repsonse that states "they will not be required to submit any additional information with the N-400" almost says that you should mention them on the N-400. Gets really confusing for people. Many of us were told by the USCIS that you do not have to mention them if they met certain criteria (under a certain $ amonunt, not DUI etc).

So even thier documented response, still doesn't say a definate yes or no answer as is typical...
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To me this says that you should mention it.
 
Maybe the question should be

"What are the implications of not disclosing traffic tickets under $500 by answering "no" to question 16 of the N-400 application?"

I'm almost certain that the official USCIS response would be "Any citation should be disclosed on the the N-400 application. Furthermore, if the IO asks you about any past citations during the interview you are reminded that you are under oath and must answer truthfully"

Of course, this doesn't shed must light on how IOs actually handle these types of cases.
 
vdostoi1 said:
Typically if an individual only has minor traffic citations with no arrests resulting (i.e. speeding tickets), they will not be required to submit any additional information with the N-400. However, if, during the course of the interview, an adjudications officer determines that there are circumstances that warrant further investigation, (e.g. there is an indication that the applicant has failed to pay fines associated with the citations), the officer may request additional documentation. (e.g. payment, certified police/court documents indicating such).
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I wonder what is the exact criteria for determining that there are "circumstances that warrant further investigation", other than the IO purposely being difficult?
 
Vorpal said:
I wonder what is the exact criteria for determining that there are "circumstances that warrant further investigation", other than the IO purposely being difficult?
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To me it means if the IO asks if you paid the traffic fines and you say no or admit that you ignored them the IO will request evidence that they have been paid and hold off any decision on your case.
 
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