gcqjul2002 said:
Tanveer66,
I support your sentiments but please chill. You I feel are jumping the gun. You are not helping matters by bringing pessimism to the board.
Guys please ask around to your lawyers and make a list of approvals that they have recieved to se the numbers right and so that we can judje the trend.
Sakania has been very helpful and have been giving a lot of info please keep it up.
Hi Tanveer & GCQJul2002
I understand the optimism of Tanveer for a Lawsuit based on the pessimism he has for PBEC.
GCQJUL2002 is right with his views based on the recent movements of PBEC for approvals - Not many . But still something. Plus remember not all who get approval report here or stay and live here in these forums
PBEC has started approving some cases especially RIR around Mar-July 2002.Those around these dates should wait for few weeks before taking any action. I have been watching the happenings with the Conf Call as well .
Lot to be answered still regarding the Lawsuit - Don't Mistake me here. I have confidence in Rajiv and I am not writing against that effort .
Infact I think that is the only way out.
I hear people in that Board ( including Labordrags) talking about contacting iv.org Team on ideas for collecting funds and involving them etc. These are the people who objected when I started telling people that we can take help from iv.org for our problems with PBEC and in fact the it went to the extent of removal of this Thread.( anyway that is History and let the By gone be by Gone)
The lawsuit issues I think are still under discussion and we need to answer these questions as well before we jump in fully. May be they have answers for this. But I want that to spelt out here so that we all will be clear and more hands will join with those explanations. My Objective of writing these here is to convince people on these grounds as well
1) How many of us can share Employer name with out telling them about the Lawsuit ( Not many I think). Rajiv suggested that we give employer name with out informing them about this suit for now as this is required for Court Records only.
2) How succsessful it could be - or rather How negative it can turn to be for those filing the Lawsuit. If the numbers of those who file the suit is less than 500 then it might turn out negative for them if it is not successful. If the number is above 500 even if that effort turns out to be negative it will not affect them much as PBEC can not penalise or take action using some pretext note against those guys. No Judge can force them to approve cases bypassing thier guidelines
3) Rajiv has asked for cases pending around 2002/2003. 2003 for sure will participate as they are still affected.( will not see any light until 2002 is cleared) What about 2002 guys. How many can jump in for the suit.
4) What about DBEC Guys who are Non RIR and SWA cases ( Since DBEC has approved till 2004 for RIR)
5) What is our strategy for PERM- PERM is a successful effort of DOL. Asking them to stop that until all BEC cases are cleared is a risk. But at the sametime if you stop that it will bring more attention and that is waht we want.
6) What is our view on i245 cases . We want them to be on hold till they clear us or Are we asking for a different Queue. Different Queue with same set of people is of no use. It needs additional budgets for that. Only lawamakers can bring solutions to that ( Lawsuit generally cannot address this directly). If the Judge gives order saying that all eligible cases need to be claered in say 6 months time then Govet might intervene to get more people and Budget for that as otherwise it will impact their image.
7) We have started a letter campaign here. How is that going to affect our lawsuit - In the sense Is it good to do that while doing a lawsuit.Asking Sentors and others will be under the use of thier discretionary power. Lawsuit is a legal action. Once they know of any Lawsuit thier efforts for this will get reduced for sure. We need to coordinate the two correctly.
Many more questions are there. Members raise your concerns and that wil help the Volunteers of this effort to get answers and be on the right track with Rajiv
My 0.0002 cents