high school diploma prob

[raevsky]

I was admitted to college after only 3 years in Hight School ( in Europe). I got my BS degree and went to school again after I moved to US. My college in US only asked for my transkripts and my college diploma. The US recognazed and applied credits of all of my liberal arts classes so I was only studying majors.
So, yes you can go to college without HS diploma and yes it shouldn't be a problem for anyone who got and can prove higher education acquired in a meantime.

That particular example was supposed to demonstrate that having a bachelor or master degree (or even PhD) does not necessarily prove you have a hs diploma. There is no logic behind.
At the same time, requirements to hs education include an important requirement that you could be admitted to ANY university based on your education, not to just one particular university.

 

[Princedriss]

It depends ! a respectable university you will never ever get ur BS without having your hs diploma, i dont know about small colleges, but accredited university require even higher grades in HS.

 

[raevsky]

Right on the contrary.
MIT is definitely one of the best five in the US. No previous education is required to be admitted to PhD program at MIT.
However, that is not the case with ordinary universities. Only the best ones could get that luxury.

 

[Princedriss]

MIT is private school , you pay a lot of money, am talking more about public american universities, you wont be admitted without having hs, as far as i know !

 

[alindragos]

For what I know, the majority of the US universities have a high standard for admission that require first of all the prove of a HS diploma and some extra curricular things according to the future studies you want to pursue.
Further more, some university will require passing some exams and after that, a interview for admission.
The need of a HS diploma in order to attend an university is sustained by the international accreditation and approval of university degrees and other higher degrees like PhD, MBA or other Ms.
When already pursuing other university (in US or in a foreign country with a university acknowledged by the US university systems) there may be a way to transfer and continue your studies in US using only documents that will accredited you are presently pursuing university in a foreign country and those courses are accredited by the US system.
Furthermore and taking into account what I've just said,I think is possible to pursue another university in US after having a university diploma from a foreign university that is acknowledged by the US system
I hope that my explications are clear

 

[raevsky]

Explanation is simple. University rating depends on it's admission policy. If it does not require educational level, it usually looses rating points. Except it does not because everybody know this university is anyway one of the very best. So, the best ones are not afraid to have this policy - no previous education required in certain cases. Odinary universities cannot have that - they would loose rating.

Anyway, it is not a question that being admitted to a university does not necessarily mean you have a hs diploma. But requirements for hs diploma are that it should give you educational level enough to be admitted to ANY university in your country (where you got your hs diploma)

 

[Dziecka]

Geezz, people! High school is the MINIMUM education requirement. You have to have high school or its equivalent defined as successful completion of 12 years course of elementary and secondary education. Having university degree means you MEET the minimum requirements.
Being denied a visa based on not meeting education requirements while presenting university degree is a nonsense. PERIOD.

 

[raevsky]

However, that is not uncommon when you need to provide a proof of unobtainability of hs diploma if you want to use a bachelor's or master's degree instead.

 

[raevsky]

BTW, instructions for selectees http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/visa_4760.html do not include at least clause.

Required DV Qualifying Education or Work Experience
The principal diversity visa applicant must have a high school education, or its equivalent, OR two years of qualifying work experience in the last five years.

Education: Submit to the U.S. Embassy or Consulate at your interview, a certificate of completion equivalent to a U.S. diploma, school transcripts, or other evidence issued by the person or organization responsible for maintaining records, which specifies the completed course of study. The diversity visa selectee must have completed a 12-year course of elementary and secondary education in the U.S. or a comparable course of study in another country, sufficient in itself to qualify a student to apply for college admission. The following are not acceptable:

Equivalency certificates (such as the G.E.D.) are not acceptable.
Vocational degrees that are not considered a basis for further academic study will not be considered equivalent to U.S. high school education

I still believe most likely you will get a visa with bachelor degree. Provided you have a proof of unobtainability of hs diploma. If you fail to provide a proof of unobtainability, that is a completely different story.

 

[raevsky]

An interesting thing is that AOS policy on university diplomas is completely different from consular policy. It specifically prohibits using university diplomas when high school formal course was not completed.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....en&q=dv+high+school+diploma+denied+university

Adjudicators may also accept college or university diplomas or transcripts, unless the adjudicator suspects that the applicant did not successfully complete a formal course of study comparable to twelve year's elementary and secondary education in the United States.

Being denied a visa based on not meeting education requirements while presenting university degree is a nonsense. PERIOD.

What is the exact purpose of your statement? Please clarify - are you making a specific definite conclusive statement about visa during consular processing, or do you complain that AOS policy-in-place contradicts your personal feeling of common sense (and that is why you are calling it nonsense)? Please also clarify if your feeling of common sense differs for AOS versus CP.

 

[aos13]

For god's sake guys, stop feeding this troll!

 

[Princedriss]

lol

 

[raevsky]

But that doesn't mean they want the less qualified or less educated people to enter. Diversity is all about race, culture and believes but EDUCATION also.Is a wrong believe that of considering the DV program as an alternative for US to cover low skilled work that Americans don't want.Take into account that many Americans are only HS graduates and about 30% or less of the population are BS graduates or holding a higher diploma.

Should I make a note that AOS policy contradicts your personal feeling of common sense as well? Or are your logical implications unrelated to that?

If u have proof of US degrees you will be fine

How is this logic different for AOS and CP?

 

[raevsky]

For god's sake guys, stop feeding this troll!

It seems to me you are all guys trolling a lot. I am talking about aos13, Dziecka, first_time, alindragos. Those are the people who tried to use illogical arguments in our topic and put themselves into a corner as a result, - they tried to change the judicial meaning of the law by their common sense, what is not welcome here.
I have nothing bad to tell about Princedriss and some other people though, they alone did not look illogical.

 

[alindragos]

@aos13 LOL man!!!! ))))
@raevsky dude you are contradicting yourself a lot... ))) i was posting facts that can be found all over the net =))) anyway

 

[raevsky]

@raevsky dude you are contradicting yourself a lot... )))

You already mentioned that but have failed to provide an example so far. BTW, I call that trolling.

i was posting facts that can be found all over the net =))) anyway

We are talking not about the net, but about reliable sources. Using unreliable sources is called trolling.
Please provide the source of this statement:

But that doesn't mean they want the less qualified or less educated people to enter

 

[first_time]

OK Raevsky. I went to my US embassy and had to provide proof of schooling (not for green card obviously). In my country high schools do not keep transcripts on file more than a couple years so I could not obtain it. I carried my BS transcript from American school INSTEAD. officer looked at it for 3 seconds and was satisfied. So don't call us illogical you are the only difficult one.
The requirement is only to make sure they do not accept a bunch of people below a certain education level. Even if you never finish hs and start at University, the fact that you hold a college degree at the end means that you have surpassed hs level. Rejecting someone with a masters is ILLOGICAL.

 

[first_time]

oh and of course dv lottery is for diversity but that doesn't mean they want a diverse set of illiterate people. They want the best of folk who don't qualify for the other programs.

 

[first_time]

WHATEVER! Princedriss if u have a masters u will be fine. When u get approved please come back and tell us so raevsky can see how silly he's being. If u get denied it will not be for education. America WANTS people like YOU.

 

[raevsky]

High school is MINIMUM education requirement. If u have proof of US degrees you will be fine. Carry sealed official transcripts. The point is they don't want too many uneducated people moving to US. That is why they have that restriction. It helps the US become a greater nation because they try to attract the best from other countries. You already more education than most Americans and most probably even the consulate officer. You will be fine.

So don't call us illogical

Why not? You just made several illogical statements above. You definitely cannot distinguish between AOS and CP policies. According to you, AOS would succeed fine if you have a proof of US dgeree, while it is clearly not. That is an example of an illogical statement. Also, it is not clear why you made this story - about US consulate. We are clearly talking about DV lottery, when high school edication has a specific meaning. However, you are providing a different example when high school education cannot have any specific meaning (it has a special meaning only for DV lottery)

They want the best of folk who don't qualify for the other programs

That is another example of an illogical statement that is wrong.