Had my N-336 interview today.

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The officer told me that i would receive a decision in the mail, because she could not come to a decision and had to ask the supervisor to go over my file i provided proof for all the tickets i had received a total of 8 all of them were infractions and i had proof i payed all of them. I had 3 red lights 1 stop sign 2 no seat belts and one for speeding and including the marijuana ticket, Does the decision matter on how many tickets i got and will they go against me towards my good moral character? And how long will they take to mail me a decision?
 
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The officer told me that i would receive a decision in the mail, because she could not come to a decision and had to ask the supervisor to go over my file i provided proof for all the tickets i had received a total of 8 all of them were infractions and i had proof i payed all of them. I had 3 red lights 1 stop sign 2 no seat belts and one for speeding and including the marijuana ticket, Does the decision matter on how many tickets i got and will they go against me towards my good moral character? And how long will they take to mail me a decision?

Since you've mentioned N-336, would I be correct to assume that your case was denied after the initial interview and you appealed the decision?

The traffic tickets won't affect the outcome of the decision, although it's not uncommon for applicants who disclose traffic tickets to have their cases undergo a supervisory review. The marijuana ticket shouldn't be a bar either. Since it was a ticket, I'm guessing it was for minor possession?
 
Thanks for the information. I got denied because i didn't mention the marijuana ticket in my first interview or i didn't have court records showing what happened that was what my denial letter said. Yeah the marijuana ticket was for minor possession and got reduced to an infraction when i appeared in court i gave them court certified proof stating that in my N-336. I'm just scared that they are going to tell me a new reason for denial when they send me the letter like having too many traffic citations. I had my interview notes with me just in case they were going to ask any questions but she didn't really ask any of these questions but she took my notes and put them in my file.


1. Why didn’t you tell us about this ticket before in your first interview? I want to sincerely apologize for not disclosing this conviction in my first interview to the officer, I was a minor at the time of this traffic citation and I had honestly forgot about receiving this ticket, also the discussion I had with the officer in my first interview was about having to do with any unpaid/pending tickets at the moment. I told the officer I had a red light and a no seat belt ticket I also told him about one more unpaid ticket that I couldn’t remember at the time, the officer asked me if I can send in a copy of my DMV driving record and the proof that I had paid for the two unpaid ticket that I mentioned to the officer.

2.Why did you get so many tickets? I was being a careless driver and at the same time I didn’t realize the consequences that getting tickets can have on my future and when I seen my DMV driving history I was shocked to see that I had received so many tickets and promised myself that I wouldn’t get any more tickets from that day forward and be more careful when I’m driving. I haven’t gotten a ticket since 7/21/2011 and I promise to keep it like that I also attended four traffic schools out of my eight tickets I had received over time and I want to thank the officer for giving me this second chance to explain myself.

3.Why do you think we should change our decision? Because in my first interview there was a mix up about one ticket I had received when I was a minor and I know I got a lot of tickets in my driving history report but I promised myself that I will not get anymore now I realized on how getting tickets can affect me in the future and make me look bad as a person.

4.What’s your definition about good moral character? My definition on having good moral character is to have self-control and be a responsible adult and being mature and honest also a loyal individual at the same time having a constant pattern with these traits in my personality.

5.What happened on August 3rd 2009? During this time I was a minor, and at the time I only had my driving permit. I was hungry so I picked up my mom’s car and went to get food at in-n-out with a friend I had finished eating and dropped my friend off at his home and was on my way back home when I was pulled over by the police, upon searching the car they found an open container in the back seat which had marijuana inside it. I was cited and my mom came and picked me up, when I appeared in court with my mother the judge dismissed my violation code 308B possession of tobacco also reduced two violation codes 23222B and violation code 12500A to infractions. The judge ordered me to pay a fine of $450.00 total and gave me the time period of 90 days to pay for it the fine was paid for on January 24th 2010. In preparing for the N-400, I had actually forgotten about this incident as it occurred before I received my license and I was a minor. I actually didn’t understand the ramification of my actions at the time or that I was cited with an infraction I knew I had to go to court and my mom paid a fine. During the interview I answered the officers questions to the best of my recollection. At that time our discussion centered around any unpaid/pending tickets, which I did discuss. I apologize for not disclosing the information previously, I honestly had forgotten about this incident it wasn’t until the first time after I had went to the court house and they provided me the information then I remembered exactly what the ticket was for.

6.Why did you provide us with a criminal record search paper? The clerk that day handed me a criminal record search paper with the traffic ticket docket number and that the fine was paid for that’s all it said on that paper and that’s the same paper I sent to USIC in my appeal letter. USIC responded to my letter and set up a date for another interview hearing regarding my N-400 application on April 5th 2012 during the time I was waiting for my second interview I was getting worried because I thought the first paper I had submitted in my appeal letter regarding ticket 23222B didn’t have enough information on it for example the paper didn’t have the exact amount that was paid neither the information stating that ticket was an infraction, so on March 15th 2012 I went to the Fremont Hall Of Justice to see if they could give me better detailed information regarding my ticket I showed the clerk a photocopied paper that I sent in my appeal letter and she said that the clerk that helped me that day was a new transfer and had made an error she provided me with the wrong header she was not supposed to give me a criminal record search paper instead she was supposed to provide me with a traffic division name search she also said that evidence on my traffic file was destroyed but it wasn’t the second clerk gave me all the details about that ticket it was still in their system she provided me with a name search paper which showed the amount paid/ date and whether it was an infraction and the overall status of the ticket.
 
Having read through this explanation, I am on the fence. I am not certain how I would react if I were the N-336 Second Hearing Officer. Comparing the timing of incidents to the filing of an N-400 just does not support the "I forgot" response. I think it could boil down to credibility based on demeanor.
 
Oh man i knew i should of kept these notes to myself. Guess i don't deserve to be a citizen at this time and will have to wait till i'm 25.
 
I'm with BigJoe5 on this one. The fact that you didn't disclose the marijuana ticket is what's negatively affecting your case. It's not the traffic tickets that they care about. Giving them your written notes was a mistake as well. The cardinal rule with the USCIS is to never volunteer too much information.
 
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I'm with BigJoe5 on this one. The fact that you didn't disclose the marijuana ticket is what's negatively affecting your case. It's not the traffic tickets that they care about.


Thanks for the help Vorpal. I understand that not disclosing that ticket is a big deal and i was wondering if they will consider the fact that i received the ticket in 2009 and when i received it i was only 17 and i applied for the N-400 in September 21 2011. Guess we will wait and see what it says in the new denial letter.
 
I'm with BigJoe5 on this one. The fact that you didn't disclose the marijuana ticket is what's negatively affecting your case. It's not the traffic tickets that they care about. Giving them your written notes was a mistake as well. The cardinal rule with the USCIS is to never volunteer too much information.

Does this mean that they will deny me for giving them too much information in my notes i'm just telling the the truth in my written notes. Lets see what it states in the denial letter.
 
Does this mean that they will deny me for giving them too much information in my notes i'm just telling the the truth in my written notes. Lets see what it states in the denial letter.

Failure to disclose something that if you had disclosed would probably have not resulted in denial is the problem. The N-400 interview was the opportunity to make corrections. It is not necessarily the prior act that is being evaluated rather it is how you handled the actual naturalization application process.
 
Failure to disclose something that if you had disclosed would probably have not resulted in denial is the problem. The N-400 interview was the opportunity to make corrections. It is not necessarily the prior act that is being evaluated rather it is how you handled the actual naturalization application process.

OK thanks again for the help BigJoe. Man this is tough stuff i never thought it would be so difficult to get my citizenship, you live and you learn i guess I've learned a lot from this experience like what to do and not to do. If i ever know anyone else that is going to apply i will tell them my story and try to help them to the best of my knowledge about the N-400. I should have signed up earlier and been browsing this forum earlier but i had no idea that something like this helpful and resourceful existed. Then i would have been on top of my game for my N-400, because people like you would have been giving me the right advice and information you never stop learning i guess and thanks! again BigJoe for all the help you gave me and answering every single PM i sent and reading every single post i posted i will keep you updated on the status of my N-336.
 
Thanks for the help Vorpal. I understand that not disclosing that ticket is a big deal and i was wondering if they will consider the fact that i received the ticket in 2009 and when i received it i was only 17 and i applied for the N-400 in September 21 2011. Guess we will wait and see what it says in the new denial letter.

Even though you were a minor at the time, you weren't 11 or 12 you were 17 -- almost an adult. Your age at the time combined with how recent it was (only 3 years ago) makes it not believable that you forgot about that arrest both on the N-400 application and at the interview. Your failure to disclose it will almost surely mean your appeal will be denied, and you will have to wait until 2017 to reapply, while keeping your record nearly 100% clean for the next 5 years.

What about your parents -- did either of them become a US citizen before you turned 18? If yes, you may be able to claim citizenship through your parent without having to wait another 5 years.
 
I agree too. Forgetting an incident where one was hauled to jail just three years back, is not believable to most listeners.

Even though you were a minor at the time, you weren't 11 or 12 you were 17 -- almost an adult. Your age at the time combined with how recent it was (only 3 years ago) makes it not believable that you forgot about that arrest both on the N-400 application and at the interview. Your failure to disclose it will almost surely mean your appeal will be denied, and you will have to wait until 2017 to reapply, while keeping your record nearly 100% clean for the next 5 years.
 
In my N-336 i brought proof with me from the court saying i paid a fine of $450.00 for ticket 23222B and was reduced to infraction. Does this ticket fall into the under $500 or it doesn't matter because it was drug related. I was not arrested or put under any probation and i was 17 at the time and forgot about the incident and had got issued a ticket is there any way that the USCIS can find that information out to see if i'm telling the truth or they wont bother and deny me again because i didn't mention it in my N-400 interview. I was only arrested once and i told them about it in my N-400 and there was no charges filed and they were dropped i had proof of that but it was also drug related controlled substance but it wasn't my fault.. I just forgot to tell them about my marijuana ticket i had received, At the end of my N-336 i was told they couldn't reach a decision right away because it needed to be reviewed by a supervisor do you guys think the supervisor will do an investigation and talk to the hall of justice and see if the information i provided is correct? I also had I had 3 red lights 1 stop sign 2 no seat belts and one for speeding some were over 500 because i took traffic school and there was a fee included but i also submitted proof of payment of the other 7 traffic tickets in my N-336 interview will all these effect my chances of getting my appeal approved even tho i provided proof of payment? Can anyone that was in the same tricky situation as me or know anyone else that had a similar situation please shed some light on this I'm getting worried. I had my N-336 interview on April 5 and still no word but i herd it can take up to 6 months to hear a reply in the mail from USICS. If i was going to get denied again wouldn't they send me something right away like 2weeks or so or they taking so long because they are backed up and have too much other work on their hands and not enough time to go over my file?
 
My main concern is that i forgot to mention a drug related incident(in uscis words "failed to diclose") in my N-400. Is there any chance that they will forgive me? Or will they think i was trying to hide a minor marijuana ticket that i already had taken care of and paid for $450.00 including driving without a licence i only had a permit when i received the ticket and honestly forgot about it until they sent me a denial letter on my N-400.
 
What was the date of the N-400 interview? [I am not going to track it down in your other thread.] It is likely that you will be barred from filing a new N-400 for 5 years from that date (unless filing under another section of law with a shorter statutory period).
 
What was the date of the N-400 interview? [I am not going to track it down in your other thread.] It is likely that you will be barred from filing a new N-400 for 5 years from that date (unless filing under another section of law with a shorter statutory period).

The date was September 2011.
 
The part that sucks the most is that ticket is going to be thrown out of my DMV record next month. I can't belive they deny people on the fact about tickets what kind of bs is that they just want to make money i guess. I wonder if qualifying for naturalization was this tough back in the days like the late 90's. This by far is the worst experience i ever had!!
 
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Why did they even bother to send me a option to appeal in my original denial letter if they automatically are going to deny me because i tried to hide a marijuana ticket maybe they need money and they like to deny people more that approve them? If i was trying to hide it why would i file an appeal and provide all the information they wanted in the first place?
 
The part that sucks the most is that ticket is going to be thrown out of my DMV record next month. I can't belive they deny people on the fact about tickets what kind of bs is that they just want to make money i guess. I wonder if qualifying for naturalization was this tough back in the days like the late 90's. This by far is the worst experience i ever had!!

No one will deny you over traffic tickets. The problem is the possession ticket, which has nothing to do with DMV. Depending on what state the ticket was issued in (I assume you were charged with simple possession), it could either be a misdemeanor or a violation. If it was a misdemeanor, then your appeal will likely be denied for non-disclosure of a criminal charge. If it was a violation, you may still be able to get approved.
 
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