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For those that like to argue about statistics...

I really am expecting 23k - that would keep EU a month ahead of last year.

Re CA or FL - we have a foot in both camps still - I think the long term plan is to end up in CA, but we might have to be a bit mobile this year. So I'm just buying an apartment in Boca Raton which could give us a base there - and we'll see how things work out.

Sounds like a plan! Is that a good area to live? One thing I am always worried about is noisy neighbors (we've had always issues with ignorant people while living in Oz...it must be a 'cultural' thing).

We will know the March numbers in about 5 weeks from now, right..... ?
 
I really am expecting 23k - that would keep EU a month ahead of last year.

Re CA or FL - we have a foot in both camps still - I think the long term plan is to end up in CA, but we might have to be a bit mobile this year. So I'm just buying an apartment in Boca Raton which could give us a base there - and we'll see how things work out.

Boca lol how old are you guys?
 
Boca lol how old are you guys?

Why are you asking...are you hinting retirement villages? :rolleyes: Tell me what you know...what area do you consider desirable in FL?
Re: Boca Raton - I think Simon's work at his brother's venture might be close to that area (just my guess).

I am not really sure if rushing into buying a place is a good idea...I made that mistake once before.
I think we will be renting first to learn as much as we can about the various areas and to be sure where we will want to settle.

EDIT: Demographic data...looks pretty evenly spread across all age groups.
 
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Why are you asking...are you hinting retirement villages? :rolleyes: Tell me what you know...what area do you consider desirable in FL?
Re: Boca Raton - I think Simon's work at his brother's venture might be close to that area (just my guess).

I am not really sure if rushing into buying a place is a good idea...I made that mistake once before.
I think we will be renting first to learn as much as we can about the various areas and to be sure where we will want to settle.

EDIT: Demographic data...looks pretty evenly spread across all age groups.

Boca is nice for sure. I prefer further south where it is a bit more international feel and closer to Hollywood and Miami airports. I feel that both palm beach and Broward counties are a bit too dominated by retired people and I don't liked golf that much. Most important is to locate in a really good school district if you have or plan to have kids. With condos it's important to look out for solvency of the association future special assessments percentage of renters vs owners etc. with homes look out for fold zones as you will bed hit hard on the insurance. Also check for Chinese dry walls in condos built from 2005.

Get a mortgage broker used to working with foreign nationals and don't expect to get a mortgage at all or that sellers are willing to wait for it. Cash dominates the below 300k market.
 
Sloner affirms that all the regions will go current !
Vladek, do not invent.
Europa - 50000 and above.
Uzbekistan - current.
Africa - 100000 and above.
Asia - 17000 and above.
Oceania - current.
SA- current
NA - current.
 
To a moron (or a stupid formula) it would seem that you only get a 35% success rate (i.e. selectee to visas issued) and if you want to issue 50000 visas you need just over 140,000 visas to do it.
I think the formula is not stupid. Someone is trying to make himself smart. You know very little lottery. So your attempts to humiliate KFC stupid. Do not get smart please.
 
So sloner what are you predictions for the next lot of cut offs


And KFC usually refers to Kentucky fried chicken.
 
Boca is nice for sure. I prefer further south where it is a bit more international feel and closer to Hollywood and Miami airports. I feel that both palm beach and Broward counties are a bit too dominated by retired people and I don't liked golf that much. Most important is to locate in a really good school district if you have or plan to have kids. With condos it's important to look out for solvency of the association future special assessments percentage of renters vs owners etc. with homes look out for fold zones as you will bed hit hard on the insurance. Also check for Chinese dry walls in condos built from 2005.

Get a mortgage broker used to working with foreign nationals and don't expect to get a mortgage at all or that sellers are willing to wait for it. Cash dominates the below 300k market.


LOL at the how old question earlier, and in fact the place I am buying is a place in a large retirement community for my Mum but it would also be a place for use for a few months!

I already have some houses in Florida so I am aware of the Chinese drywall issues and condo stability. I bought some condos in 2009/2010 where the HOAs were having exactly those sort of problems (paying cash obviously) and now the HOAs are sorted out and stable so the values have doubled. I looked into mortgages but before I am resident the mortgages are expensive so I have stayed within my limits of available cash, which was frustrating, as I could see lots of upside potential in 2010/2011.

Areawise by the way, Boca is nice - yes lots of retirees but lots of good schools etc because the average income etc is pretty good. I have history in Miami too - but just don't fancy that now...
 
I think the formula is not stupid. Someone is trying to make himself smart. You know very little lottery. So your attempts to humiliate KFC stupid. Do not get smart please.

I have nothing against KFC - excellent chicken. My point about the formula will become clear to you in time... I wish the formula was right, but it isn't. Sadly, it is a very stupid mistake.
 
Because the response/success rate was abnormal, so they don't need 140k selectees to fill the quota.

On the other hand, they gave very high CN numbers, higher than you would expect with the ~35% increase of the selectee count. If we take for instance the EU region, there seems to be numbers up to the 54k range. If we take the highest CN of this year dv13 for that region (mid 30k?), we would expect 30 x 46.4/34.6 = mid 40k. Would that mean there are more holes between consecutive winning CN numbers to explain why they went up to 54k? Or did they number the cases differently this year?

I have not run the AF numbers yet, but i think this follows the same pattern.
 
Because the response/success rate was abnormal, so they don't need 140k selectees to fill the quota.

Dear Mates:
I want to put some observation on the Regional Quota:
As we know there are 140,659 selected :

AF 61,942:
Cameroon has 4268 selectees (4268-3850=418 ),that means 418 will be disqualified.
Congo Democratic has 6025 selectees (6025-3850=2175), that means 2175 will be disqualified.
Egypt has 5757 selectees (5757-3850=1907), that means 1907 will be disqualified.
Ethiopia has 5718 selectees (5718-3850=1868), that means 1868 will be disqualified.
Gana has 3945 selectees (3945-3850=95), that means 95 will be disqualified.
Kenya has 4245 selectees (4245-3850=395), that means 395 will be disqualified.
Nigeria has 6043 selectees (6043-3850=2193), that means 2193 will be disqualified.
Total of disqualified = 9051 (How many family members will be included as disqualified !?)
Total AF 61942-9051=52891

Asia 23270
Iran has 6027 selectees (6027-3850=2177), that means 2177 will be disqualified.
Nepal has 6082 selectees (6082-3850=2232), that means 2232 will be disqualified.
Total of disqualified = 4409 (How many family members will be included as disqualified !?)
Total AS 23270-4409 = 18861

EU 46,589
Russia has 4544 selectees (4544-3850=694), that means 694 will be disqualified.
Turkey has 3972 selectees (3972-3850=122), that means 122 will be disqualified.
Ukraine has 6009 selectees (6009-3850=2159), that means 2159 will be disqualified.
Uzbekistan has 5014 selectees (5014-3850=1164), that means 1164 will be disqualified.
Total of disqualified = 4139 (How many family members will be included as disqualified !?)
Total AS 46589-4139 = 42450

NA Total=23

Oceania Total 4215

South america &Caribbean Total 4620

Total all regions = 123,060
 
Dear Mates:
I want to put some observation on the Regional Quota:
As we know there are 140,659 selected :

AF 61,942:
Cameroon has 4268 selectees (4268-3850=418 ),that means 418 will be disqualified.
Congo Democratic has 6025 selectees (6025-3850=2175), that means 2175 will be disqualified.
Egypt has 5757 selectees (5757-3850=1907), that means 1907 will be disqualified.
Ethiopia has 5718 selectees (5718-3850=1868), that means 1868 will be disqualified.
Gana has 3945 selectees (3945-3850=95), that means 95 will be disqualified.
Kenya has 4245 selectees (4245-3850=395), that means 395 will be disqualified.
Nigeria has 6043 selectees (6043-3850=2193), that means 2193 will be disqualified.
Total of disqualified = 9051 (How many family members will be included as disqualified !?)
Total AF 61942-9051=52891

Asia 23270
Iran has 6027 selectees (6027-3850=2177), that means 2177 will be disqualified.
Nepal has 6082 selectees (6082-3850=2232), that means 2232 will be disqualified.
Total of disqualified = 4409 (How many family members will be included as disqualified !?)
Total AS 23270-4409 = 18861

EU 46,589
Russia has 4544 selectees (4544-3850=694), that means 694 will be disqualified.
Turkey has 3972 selectees (3972-3850=122), that means 122 will be disqualified.
Ukraine has 6009 selectees (6009-3850=2159), that means 2159 will be disqualified.
Uzbekistan has 5014 selectees (5014-3850=1164), that means 1164 will be disqualified.
Total of disqualified = 4139 (How many family members will be included as disqualified !?)
Total AS 46589-4139 = 42450

NA Total=23

Oceania Total 4215

South america &Caribbean Total 4620

Total all regions = 123,060

This is a very interesting remark. Thanks for running these numbers.

Of note, if you sum up the 13 countries with 3850 winners (btw, that would be 3500 only if NACARA takes all its 5,000 visa allotment), you easily reach 50,000 visas ! Obviously, not all these countries will fill their 7% quota, otherwise the dv visas would be shared between only a dozen countries.
 
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Dear Mates:
I want to put some observation on the Regional Quota:
As we know there are 140,659 selected :

AF 61,942:
Cameroon has 4268 selectees (4268-3850=418 ),that means 418 will be disqualified.
Congo Democratic has 6025 selectees (6025-3850=2175), that means 2175 will be disqualified.
Egypt has 5757 selectees (5757-3850=1907), that means 1907 will be disqualified.
Ethiopia has 5718 selectees (5718-3850=1868), that means 1868 will be disqualified.
Gana has 3945 selectees (3945-3850=95), that means 95 will be disqualified.
Kenya has 4245 selectees (4245-3850=395), that means 395 will be disqualified.
Nigeria has 6043 selectees (6043-3850=2193), that means 2193 will be disqualified.
Total of disqualified = 9051 (How many family members will be included as disqualified !?)
Total AF 61942-9051=52891

Asia 23270
Iran has 6027 selectees (6027-3850=2177), that means 2177 will be disqualified.
Nepal has 6082 selectees (6082-3850=2232), that means 2232 will be disqualified.
Total of disqualified = 4409 (How many family members will be included as disqualified !?)
Total AS 23270-4409 = 18861

EU 46,589
Russia has 4544 selectees (4544-3850=694), that means 694 will be disqualified.
Turkey has 3972 selectees (3972-3850=122), that means 122 will be disqualified.
Ukraine has 6009 selectees (6009-3850=2159), that means 2159 will be disqualified.
Uzbekistan has 5014 selectees (5014-3850=1164), that means 1164 will be disqualified.
Total of disqualified = 4139 (How many family members will be included as disqualified !?)
Total AS 46589-4139 = 42450

NA Total=23

Oceania Total 4215

South america &Caribbean Total 4620

Total all regions = 123,060

I'm sorry that is not correct at all. You are assuming that all the selectees submit their forms, pass the interviews and so on. That is not the case at all. If you look at the results you will see that many countries that have as many as 6000 selectees don't get anywhere close to the 7% limit - so suggesting that for example Cameroon will have 418 selectees disqualified because of the limit is absolutely incorrect.

Sorry, not trying to be argumentative, just pointing out the bad logic.
 
Dear Mates:
I want to put some observation on the Regional Quota:
As we know there are 140,659 selected :
Great calculations, if we take the real number 3500. You now have hammered a nail into in theory Semen.
Semen, all your calculations is nonsense.
 
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