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DV 2022 All Selectees (Consular Processing - CP)

I managed to catch BritSimons interview with Jesse this morning. Good viewing for someone like myself who is pretty new to this area...

During that interview, I heard Jesse's comment that he believes all regions will go current this year as it is part of the KCC "playbook". I'm taking this to mean that even if the amount of issued visas has no chance of getting to the 55k available for this year (which definitely seems to be the case), the US gov will still push all cases to go current for appearances sake. Though, I don't fully understand that strategy, noting that being made current may improve the case merits of individuals filing lawsuits for DV2022. But either way, this is a pretty new perspective for me, as I was under the impression that case numbers would move more inline with actual issued visa counts. So, I wanted to get a read on peoples opinions w.r.t Jesse's comment.
 
I managed to catch BritSimons interview with Jesse this morning. Good viewing for someone like myself who is pretty new to this area...

During that interview, I heard Jesse's comment that he believes all regions will go current this year as it is part of the KCC "playbook". I'm taking this to mean that even if the amount of issued visas has no chance of getting to the 55k available for this year (which definitely seems to be the case), the US gov will still push all cases to go current for appearances sake. Though, I don't fully understand that strategy, noting that being made current may improve the case merits of individuals filing lawsuits for DV2022. But either way, this is a pretty new perspective for me, as I was under the impression that case numbers would move more inline with actual issued visa counts. So, I wanted to get a read on peoples opinions w.r.t Jesse's comment.
DV2020 and DV2021 went current quite early, he's probably commented based on that experience. So it's not new already.
 
I managed to catch BritSimons interview with Jesse this morning. Good viewing for someone like myself who is pretty new to this area...

During that interview, I heard Jesse's comment that he believes all regions will go current this year as it is part of the KCC "playbook". I'm taking this to mean that even if the amount of issued visas has no chance of getting to the 55k available for this year (which definitely seems to be the case), the US gov will still push all cases to go current for appearances sake. Though, I don't fully understand that strategy, noting that being made current may improve the case merits of individuals filing lawsuits for DV2022. But either way, this is a pretty new perspective for me, as I was under the impression that case numbers would move more inline with actual issued visa counts. So, I wanted to get a read on peoples opinions w.r.t Jesse's comment.
Jesse's opinion was a follow up to what he said in the previous BritSimon interviews (check the first interview with him). In short, Jesse's opinion was that if he were in the government lawyers' shoes and saw the current numbers issued in the lawsuits, they would want to pump up the numbers to look better in front of a judge. So, they would talk with the government and tell them to get the numbers up. Now, one tactic the government could use is to increase the VB a lot, reveal more selectees and so more interviews. This could mean someone in a small EU embassy about to be current in September would become current and issued a visa sooner so that the numbers in front of the judge would look better.
Also, note that the lawsuit was filed on 1st February. Then we saw loads of 2NLs from Ankara, Islamabad, Katmandu and some Algeria. These were unprecedented in timing meaning that we usually wouldn't see any 2NLs in the first two weeks of a month, yet alone from closed embassies.

Also, in my personal opinion, they could go current in VB in June/July as to maximise visa usage. In other words if they go as usual, they may issue 20k visas. But, if they go current, they could use an additional 10k (arbitrary numbers) visas by prople in countries with few selectees and free embassies. I know how the VB supposed to work, but this could be part of the government's playbook as Jesse mentioend.
On the contrary, they could also slow the VB as to argue lawsuits should be dismissed as lots of plaintiffs aren't current. However, as Jesse said, this would also work against them since it's showing the damage they've done.

Another point which noone has mentioned. There's the immpact litigation which has been filed (not sure if it's been filed) in DC and could most likely go in front of judge Mehta. Now, Judge Mehta has only seen 2020 and 2021 cases where all regions went current. He did also understood that high case numbers are in a jeopardy due to their number. But, overall the immpact litigation could argue for VB and there'd be some interesting stuff there.


We will hopefully see some more government response with respect to VB and 2NLs by the end of February. Both of these for one could give us a very good clue of the mathematics behind the year. There may also be some good surprises.


 
I managed to catch BritSimons interview with Jesse this morning. Good viewing for someone like myself who is pretty new to this area...

During that interview, I heard Jesse's comment that he believes all regions will go current this year as it is part of the KCC "playbook". I'm taking this to mean that even if the amount of issued visas has no chance of getting to the 55k available for this year (which definitely seems to be the case), the US gov will still push all cases to go current for appearances sake. Though, I don't fully understand that strategy, noting that being made current may improve the case merits of individuals filing lawsuits for DV2022. But either way, this is a pretty new perspective for me, as I was under the impression that case numbers would move more inline with actual issued visa counts. So, I wanted to get a read on peoples opinions w.r.t Jesse's comment.

Jesse and I have had this conversation before in other videos. I think Butters above has captured some important aspects above, including the point that making the regions current is like throwing a lifeline to get a few more cases through. It's possible, though not certain. However, let me just explain how the VB is "supposed" to work, based on my years of watching the process (including a period where I got pretty close to being able to predict the VB numbers), AND based on confirming my understanding directly via email with Chalie Oppenheim, who was until 2 months ago THE guy that decided VB movement. THE. GUY.

The Visa Office have an idea of how many visas they have to issue at any given point, and they split that work up over the year to spread the load. They take into account the available visas, the capacity and so on. THen they are provided the DQ case numbers from KCC each month. The DQ cases are those that are ready to be scheduled. Even though the document procedure is now gone, there is still a status of DQ. Since Dec 9th that means cases that have had their DS260 processed.

So - the VO looks at worldwide capacity, visa availability, and demand (only DQ cases). They then look at the cases already current and see how many DQ cases that yields. If that exceeds capacity they don't need to move the VB at all. If they need more cases, they move the VB to "yield" more DQ cases.

To give an example If they are looking for 1000 cases in a region and this month there are already 800 cases DQ (because KCC processed more cases), then they only have to move the VB by enough to get those extra 200 cases. That migh mean moving the VB by 500 cas numbers.

That is pretty much what they did last month. I think you should note that I explained that in a video the day before the VB that they really did not need to move the VB much or at all. Some idiots literally blamed me for that video thinking the government were following what little old me said. However, the fact that I was correct showed that they were simply following the method I described. If they continue following that method, they won't go current. It's as simple as that. They have to break the rules to go current.

Now - why did 2020 and 2021 go current then? (and remember, this is the only experience that all the loved lawyers have to go by).

Well the document procedure was in place and KCC were screwing that up completely so it meant that the number of cases becoming DQ were very low. Charlie misread that as low demand. Since there was such low demand he felt comfortable in making all regions current - and that at least gave a chance to some high case numbers and AOS cases.

So - whilst I see Jesse's perspective and the points that Butters made, I am not 100% convinced we will see current. But who really knows. No one.
 
Now - why did 2020 and 2021 go current then? (and remember, this is the only experience that all the loved lawyers have to go by).

Well the document procedure was in place and KCC were screwing that up completely so it meant that the number of cases becoming DQ were very low. Charlie misread that as low demand. Since there was such low demand he felt comfortable in making all regions current - and that at least gave a chance to some high case numbers and AOS cases.

ok, this is helpful context which I was missing, and does make me lean more towards treating 20/21 as anomalies in terms of the issued count vs. case status. But of course, no one knows for sure what will happen.

Also looking forward to the bulletin tomorrow. Agree, it will provide some interesting insights. Particularly for my region (OC). As I've been tracking the daily CEAC data, and if case numbers shift as they are 'meant to', it looks like we won't be adding many cases for the next month.
 
Hi is anyone can share the experience in Montreal DV Intraview especially the finance requirement and affidavit do they ask for compulsory these documents or its vary case by case.
 
@DV2020EU44

hello there I’m sorry if I’m asking repeated questions but please give some clarification!!!!

If all the regions BECOM CURRENT in letters without CN what does it means?? Is it means that they won’t keep no more interviews???

I just analyze the Past visa bulletin it shows in 2016 for ASIA the CN of month of March lower than in contrast of this year Of March CRNT CN then the final Current CN for ASIA was 10,550
After that all regions went CURRENT....

my question is because of this year CURRENT CN rate of ASIA was higher than in 2016 it may reach to more that 20,000 CN of ASIA ,in July right ? Thought we cannot predict We would be able to see past record

And also what is the reason only AF region goes current for HIGH CN meanwhile other Regions nerve go from HIGH CN .... please I’m sorry for inconvenience
 
@DV2020EU44

hello there I’m sorry if I’m asking repeated questions but please give some clarification!!!!

If all the regions BECOM CURRENT in letters without CN what does it means?? Is it means that they won’t keep no more interviews???

I just analyze the Past visa bulletin it shows in 2016 for ASIA the CN of month of March lower than in contrast of this year Of March CRNT CN then the final Current CN for ASIA was 10,550
After that all regions went CURRENT....

my question is because of this year CURRENT CN rate of ASIA was higher than in 2016 it may reach to more that 20,000 CN of ASIA ,in July right ? Thought we cannot predict We would be able to see past record

And also what is the reason only AF region goes current for HIGH CN meanwhile other Regions nerve go from HIGH CN .... please I’m sorry for inconvenience
If all regions go Current, then any case number can be potentially interviewed.

This year is different due to pandemic, it's not worth to use 2016 statistics.
 
Does it happen that KCC automatically schedules your interview case in another country if eligible? before contacting them. Like people in Afghanistan whose embassy is closed and now possibly Kyiv
 
@French_Ellie @Britsimon
Thanks you for your answer it s very useful ..
You re wright I don t know why my post was in french because I wrote in english I think that s a bug with Google translate...
Actually I found on another website an official list with documents to bring to embassy who says in french or in english, i m quiet now thanks for your help and your time!
 
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Does it happen that KCC automatically schedules your interview case in another country if eligible? before contacting them. Like people in Afghanistan whose embassy is closed and now possibly Kyiv
If the embassy in a particular country is closed, KCC will automatically assign the cases to some other embassies with new jurisdiction over them.
 
Hello there!!! From December onwards they have changed the rules right no one will get anymore DQ emails and DRQ emails?? This is confusing
Jesse and I have had this conversation before in other videos. I think Butters above has captured some important aspects above, including the point that making the regions current is like throwing a lifeline to get a few more cases through. It's possible, though not certain. However, let me just explain how the VB is "supposed" to work, based on my years of watching the process (including a period where I got pretty close to being able to predict the VB numbers), AND based on confirming my understanding directly via email with Chalie Oppenheim, who was until 2 months ago THE guy that decided VB movement. THE. GUY.

The Visa Office have an idea of how many visas they have to issue at any given point, and they split that work up over the year to spread the load. They take into account the available visas, the capacity and so on. THen they are provided the DQ case numbers from KCC each month. The DQ cases are those that are ready to be scheduled. Even though the document procedure is now gone, there is still a status of DQ. Since Dec 9th that means cases that have had their DS260 processed.

So - the VO looks at worldwide capacity, visa availability, and demand (only DQ cases). They then look at the cases already current and see how many DQ cases that yields. If that exceeds capacity they don't need to move the VB at all. If they need more cases, they move the VB to "yield" more DQ cases.

To give an example If they are looking for 1000 cases in a region and this month there are already 800 cases DQ (because KCC processed more cases), then they only have to move the VB by enough to get those extra 200 cases. That migh mean moving the VB by 500 cas numbers.

That is pretty much what they did last month. I think you should note that I explained that in a video the day before the VB that they really did not need to move the VB much or at all. Some idiots literally blamed me for that video thinking the government were following what little old me said. However, the fact that I was correct showed that they were simply following the method I described. If they continue following that method, they won't go current. It's as simple as that. They have to break the rules to go current.

Now - why did 2020 and 2021 go current then? (and remember, this is the only experience that all the loved lawyers have to go by).

Well the document procedure was in place and KCC were screwing that up completely so it meant that the number of cases becoming DQ were very low. Charlie misread that as low demand. Since there was such low demand he felt comfortable in making all regions current - and that at least gave a chance to some high case numbers and AOS cases.

So - whilst I see Jesse's perspective and the points that Butters made, I am not 100% convinced we will see current. But who really knows. No one.
 
If the embassy in a particular country is closed, KCC will automatically assign the cases to some other embassies with new jurisdiction over them.
Thank you!!
I should further clarify the above was the normal process before the DV processing world got turned upside down. So it wouldn’t hurt to actually reach out and request a case transfer under these circumstances. Highly recommend you contact KCC just to be on the safe side.
 
Jesse and I have had this conversation before in other videos. I think Butters above has captured some important aspects above, including the point that making the regions current is like throwing a lifeline to get a few more cases through. It's possible, though not certain. However, let me just explain how the VB is "supposed" to work, based on my years of watching the process (including a period where I got pretty close to being able to predict the VB numbers), AND based on confirming my understanding directly via email with Chalie Oppenheim, who was until 2 months ago THE guy that decided VB movement. THE. GUY.

The Visa Office have an idea of how many visas they have to issue at any given point, and they split that work up over the year to spread the load. They take into account the available visas, the capacity and so on. THen they are provided the DQ case numbers from KCC each month. The DQ cases are those that are ready to be scheduled. Even though the document procedure is now gone, there is still a status of DQ. Since Dec 9th that means cases that have had their DS260 processed.

So - the VO looks at worldwide capacity, visa availability, and demand (only DQ cases). They then look at the cases already current and see how many DQ cases that yields. If that exceeds capacity they don't need to move the VB at all. If they need more cases, they move the VB to "yield" more DQ cases.

To give an example If they are looking for 1000 cases in a region and this month there are already 800 cases DQ (because KCC processed more cases), then they only have to move the VB by enough to get those extra 200 cases. That migh mean moving the VB by 500 cas numbers.

That is pretty much what they did last month. I think you should note that I explained that in a video the day before the VB that they really did not need to move the VB much or at all. Some idiots literally blamed me for that video thinking the government were following what little old me said. However, the fact that I was correct showed that they were simply following the method I described. If they continue following that method, they won't go current. It's as simple as that. They have to break the rules to go current.

Now - why did 2020 and 2021 go current then? (and remember, this is the only experience that all the loved lawyers have to go by).

Well the document procedure was in place and KCC were screwing that up completely so it meant that the number of cases becoming DQ were very low. Charlie misread that as low demand. Since there was such low demand he felt comfortable in making all regions current - and that at least gave a chance to some high case numbers and AOS cases.

So - whilst I see Jesse's perspective and the points that Butters made, I am not 100% convinced we will see current. But who really knows. No one.
Hi Brit,
But what if everyone DQ in the current numbers(OC-800=450 cases)does not want to process or move ahead with the application. Shouldn’t that be a reason to move the vb no# ahead???
 
Hi Brit,
But what if everyone DQ in the current numbers(OC-800=450 cases)does not want to process or move ahead with the application. Shouldn’t that be a reason to move the vb no# ahead???

Guess that comes back to BritSimons comment above: " the number of cases becoming DQ were very low. Charlie misread that as low demand".

Which suggests to me that they use data on response + DQ rates, sliced by region and time, as a proxy for 'demand'. And if demand is perceived as being low, they may be willing to increase case numbers well beyond issued rates. Otherwise, if demand is perceived as high, they may be more inclined to directly use issued rates (i.e. the efficiency of the consulates) in order to understand how much to increase case numbers.

But I'm just speculating.

Really want to see the next Visa Bulletin.
 
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