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DV 2021 ALL SELECTEES

Chunky2k said:
I remember watching a video for Britsimon explaining the DV case numbers, from what he heard at that time AF did reach 80k and EU 50k and and AS 35k. Yet at that time still not everyone checked their numbers yet

So i think for 2021 the total of the selectee is huge number
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I'm sure I've seen EU55K for 2020 though, and the number of selectees wasn't high for that year. Apparently case numbers have been higher lately due to a higher frequency of holes (i.e. cases disqualified automatically during the draw process). So we really don't know if the number of selectees this year is high or not, until the stats come out.

It's a pity they didn't come out today - but the DV results were a month late this year so maybe the stats will be a month late too.
 
Chunky2k said:
I remember watching a video for Britsimon explaining the DV case numbers, from what he heard at that time AF did reach 80k and EU 50k and and AS 35k. Yet at that time still not everyone checked their numbers yet

So i think for 2021 the total of the selectee is huge number
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Dont get me wrong but Why the heck they should select huge number of people if half of the DV 2020 selectees still cant get their visas ?
 
Masda said:
Dont get me wrong but Why the heck they should select huge number of people if half of the DV 2020 selectees still cant get their visas ?
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Well this happens every year
But are you asking about why are they choosing so many or why they did it since dv2020 had the ban ?

Both entirely different
 
SusieQQQ said:
That’s not entirely correct, those legally residing in the US on other visas can apply for adjustment of status at the start of the fiscal year if their numbers are current.
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We know that, but trust me because of the ban issue the majority of people in this thread right now are not in the US.
 
Chunky2k said:
We know that, but trust me because of the ban issue the majority of people in this thread right now are not in the US.
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Susie is clearly aware of that. Her response was addressing a specific post that says “everything for DV2021 is postponed until January” which is not accurate. “Everything” DV2021 IS NOT postponed till January.
 
Chunky2k said:
We know that, but trust me because of the ban issue the majority of people in this thread right now are not in the US.
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Sm1smom said:
Susie is clearly aware of that. Her response was addressing a specific post that says “everything for DV2021 is postponed until January” which is not accurate. “Everything” DV2021 IS NOT postponed till January.
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Precisely. The vast majority of DV visas are always from outside not inside the US, but that doesn’t mean “everything” is postponed. There will be case numbers published for Oct-Dec, though I don’t think anyone has any real idea how they will calculate those. (I have a personal idea on this as I’m sure we all do.)
 
Chunky2k said:
Well this happens every year
But are you asking about why are they choosing so many or why they did it since dv2020 had the ban ?

Both entirely different
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I mean they knew beforehand that there is a ban and still select same amount of people as previous years. They give people hope that is hard to fullfill while EO restrictions is on.
 
Masda said:
I mean they knew beforehand that there is a ban and still select same amount of people as previous years. They give people hope that is hard to fullfill while EO restrictions is on.
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Really? They did the draw on June 6, at a time when the then-existing ban was due to expire on June 23. You think they knew what was going on behind the scenes in the White House? Or do you think they should hardly draw anyone in expectation of a possible ban and then what happens when 2021 arrives and they have hugely under-selected? No, I think you are being way too harsh on them. They are an administrative arm and they cannot mess around with a statutory program based on what they think may or may not happen if the current president may or may not get re-elected. It’s quite normal to see fluctuations in the draw size year to year and about the only criticism I think you can make is that they may not have looked too hard into why DV2020 was going so slowly - and this is important - *even before* the ban came came into effect. Added to that is that they have better insight than you, me or any of us do into how the new passport requirement has affected holes.
 
Masda said:
I mean they knew beforehand that there is a ban and still select same amount of people as previous years. They give people hope that is hard to fullfill while EO restrictions is on.
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There was 60 days ban in the beginning, and it was temporary, no one knew it will be extended and will cause this to dv2020 who didn't get the visa who are outside the US.

But the dv2021 selection process was made before the new ban came, for that the process itself went normally like as any previous DV process.

That is what i think.
 
SusieQQQ said:
Really? They did the draw on June 6, at a time when the then-existing ban was due to expire on June 23. You think they knew what was going on behind the scenes in the White House? Or do you think they should hardly draw anyone in expectation of a possible ban and then what happens when 2021 arrives and they have hugely under-selected? No, I think you are being way too harsh on them. They are an administrative arm and they cannot mess around with a statutory program based on what they think may or may not happen if the current president may or may not get re-elected. It’s quite normal to see fluctuations in the draw size year to year and about the only criticism I think you can make is that they may not have looked too hard into why DV2020 was going so slowly - and this is important - *even before* the ban came came into effect. Added to that is that they have better insight than you, me or any of us do into how the new passport requirement has affected holes.
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Ok I agree that they could not predict wether Trump will extend the restrictions or not but what they knew was how COVID affected whole process so badly.
 
Masda said:
Ok I agree that they could not predict wether Trump will extend the restrictions or not but what they knew was how COVID affected whole process so badly.
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I guess in view of their “knowing” COVID would “affect the whole process so badly” they really should have cancelled the whole DV2021, right? They knew because they have some crystal ball.
 
Masda said:
Ok I agree that they could not predict wether Trump will extend the restrictions or not but what they knew was how COVID affected whole process so badly.
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Wow, they knew a heck of a lot more than any of us, given that DV2021 hasn’t even started yet and that is what the draw was for. I didn’t realize they already knew then how much Covid will affect the process from Oct 2020 to Sept 2021. I wish they’d tell us, because the rest of us would love to know how to plan for the next year, I know the local colleges among others would love this information to know if students can go back, same for offices and stores etc.

As an aside it’s fun to learn American phrases /terms that may not be in use elsewhere for when you move here. Today’s term can be: Monday morning quarterbacking. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/monday-morning-quarterback
 
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