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DV 2015 KENYA SELECTEES FORUM

Based on the same marriage thing:can someane answer me-How will the Nairobi Embassy treat a GAY COUPLE who won the DV lottery and do not have a marriage certificate since the Kenya Government won't issue any,yet the American constitution clearly states that gay couples should as from year 2014 be issued with immigrants VISA.WILL THE EMBASSY BEND ITS GUIDING RULES AND ISSUE A VISA WITHOUT A MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE or they are bound by the Kenya Constitution.If you Experts answer this:I will go by your advise on the other initial question.
 
Simon said:
...after giving my personal opinion of the use of affidavits "instead of quitting the entire process due to what you call marriage discrepancies" you instead rubbished my idea as ridiculous and i quote"Indeed. So ridiculous! EDIT:I think affidavit is the new PEPTO BISMOL"
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I honestly don't have the time to engage you in some meaningless back and forth, you have the habit of reading something and coming up with your own interpretation. To start with this particular quote of mine which you've posted was in response to BritSimon's

Britsimon said:
I love how "affidavits" are seen as the defense to any situation....
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And FYI, the reason both of us posted go way beyond your post. We're simply tired of people mostly on the African threads asking or proposing to use affidavit as the defense to whatever situation them may be in. But then as usual, you begin to see opt to see fire when there's none.
 
Simon said:
... and you know what:most of our input is done out of our own understanding of both the Government of Kenya and its diverse traditions-and NOT AFRICA AS a whole.For your information we have 42 tribes in Kenya which have diverse ways when dealing with marriages,just Google some of court rulings on marriages in Kenya and you will understand some ruling were or are based on tradition( a case in mind is for the late Wambui Otieno verses Her late Criminal lawyer and the Luo community)
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Kenya may see marriage in 42 different ways, the U.S. certainly doesn't operate based on that, so what's your point?
 
SusieQQQ said:
I can absolutely guarantee you that the US embassy in Nairobi does not have 42 different ways of treating marriage.
And we already know that the US does not blindly accept local tradition or even laws, because if they did they would allow men from certain countries to list more than one wife as a derivative, and they don't. So you should equally not just blindly assume that because something is done a certain way in Kenya (or anywhere), that that is automatically acceptable to the embassy for immigration visa purposes.
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I understand that Susie-and I absolutely agree with you on this,but I think the whole thing does not revolve around whether the Embassy would consider Tradition marriage as the context of the initial question is totally different from this.
 
coronahope said:
Civil marriages in Kenya are legally monogamous. You would have to first legally divorce for you to be free to engage in a customary marriage. The laws recently changed. Those entering into a marriage contract must now choose which type of marriage to engage in. You cannot have it both ways.
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The thing is WHAT IS THE LEGAL TRANSITION PERIOD FROM MARRIAGE A -TO -B
 
Sm1smom said:
I honestly don't have the time to engage you in some meaningless back and forth, you have the habit of reading something and coming up with your own interpretation. To start with this particular quote of mine which you've posted was in response to BritSimon's

And FYI, the reason both of us posted go way beyond your post. We're simply tired of people mostly on the African threads asking or proposing to use affidavit as the defense to whatever situation them may be in. But then as usual, you begin to see opt to see fire when there's none.
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...Get to the point -Am the one who suggested the use of affidavits and Britsimon and you ridiculed the suggestion and became sarcastic.Kindly ...HAVE RESPECT FOR AFRICANS sicnce Africa/Africans is NOT simon (myself)
 
Sm1smom said:
I honestly don't have the time to engage you in some meaningless back and forth, you have the habit of reading something and coming up with your own interpretation. To start with this particular quote of mine which you've posted was in response to BritSimon's



And FYI, the reason both of us posted go way beyond your post. We're simply tired of people mostly on the African threads asking or proposing to use affidavit as the defense to whatever situation them may be in. But then as usual, you begin to see opt to see fire when there's none.
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If it were not meant for me/us you should have instead used a private conversation-any way you have control over the forum and perhaps there is limitation of personal opinion and everything you say becomes Gospel truth.
 
Simon said:
Based on the same marriage thing:can someane answer me-How will the Nairobi Embassy treat a GAY COUPLE who won the DV lottery and do not have a marriage certificate since the Kenya Government won't issue any,yet the American constitution clearly states that gay couples should as from year 2014 be issued with immigrants VISA.WILL THE EMBASSY BEND ITS GUIDING RULES AND ISSUE A VISA WITHOUT A MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE or they are bound by the Kenya Constitution.If you Experts answer this:I will go by your advise on the other initial question.
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The rules do not state "gay couples" must be issued visas. They state gay married couples can be issued visas. If the Kenyan gay couple has gone to South Africa and got a marriage certificate, they will be fine. You are saying the embassy will ignore Kenyan law that does not yet allow gay marriage, which it won't, not because it doesn't agree with the law, but because the embassy requires a valid legal document. Which is exactly the same principle/point everyone has been trying to get across to you.
 
Simon said:
I understand that Susie-and I absolutely agree with you on this,but I think the whole thing does not revolve around whether the Embassy would consider Tradition marriage as the context of the initial question is totally different from this.
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Oh is it? Then why did you sidetrack the whole conversation onto this point?
Do you even rememebr what the original question is?
That's right - someone saying they are married to B but legally they were married to A.
You and certian others then jumped in and said but this is tradition and the US embassy has to accept it.
Guess what - they don't.
 
SusieQQQ said:
The rules do not state "gay couples" must be issued visas. They state gay married couples can be issued visas. If the Kenyan gay couple has gone to South Africa and got a marriage certificate, they will be fine. You are saying the embassy will ignore Kenyan law that does not yet allow gay marriage, which it won't, not because it doesn't agree with the law, but because the embassy requires a valid legal document. Which is exactly the same principle/point everyone has been trying to get across to you.
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That's the point Susie-May be they change their Interview location...due to the discrepancies in what the Kenya Constitutional and the Embassy Rules /Constitution says-I therefore submit to your opinion as you have perfectly answered my question.
 
SusieQQQ said:
Oh is it? Then why did you sidetrack the whole conversation onto this point?
Do you even rememebr what the original question is?
That's right - someone saying they are married to B but legally they were married to A.
You and certian others then jumped in and said but this is tradition and the US embassy has to accept it.
Guess what - they don't.
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Sometimes things spiral out of intended... and you must be bold enough to bring things under control.I value your input and I equally value my opinion.We have come a long way...
 
Simon said:
That's the point Susie-May be they change their Interview location...due to the discrepancies in what the Kenya Constitutional and the Embassy Rules /Constitution says-I therefore submit to your opinion as you have perfectly answered my question.
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They don't need to change their location ( if you are still talking about a gay married couple). All they need to do is present a valid legal document - a marriage certificate from a country that allows gay marriage will be accepted at the nairobi (or any other) embassy. It does not need to come from the country they are interviewing in!!
 
Simon said:
...Get to the point -Am the one who suggested the use of affidavits and Britsimon and you ridiculed the suggestion and became sarcastic.Kindly ...HAVE RESPECT FOR AFRICANS sicnce Africa/Africans is NOT simon (myself)
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You know what Simon. You are WAY out of line buddy! I find it particularly galling that you say this sort of remark. Mom is from Africa, Susie is from Africa. They and I spend countless hours helping people from Africa and other countries/continents - we don't rate anyone higher or lower based on where they came from and we prove that feeling with our efforts here every day. None of us need to be told to have respect for Africans, or any other group, but please have some respect for us and the harmony of this forum.

No need to respond, just bite your tongue for a while - because I don't want to read that sort of comment again. It is uncalled for and undeserved.
 
Please let us respect each other and be ready to accommodate one another's views as we are all exchanging ideas for the benefit of the forumates, kindly let us guide one
another with love and respect. On the issue of marriage, my friend entered dv 2016 as a single because the family was far and he could not be able to get their photos.
what will happen in case he wins. Can he fill DS 260 as a single and probably once he is settled in US invite the family. What is your take on this friends.
 
I am also of the opinion that Sm1sMom can be a little rude at times. I think what you guys fail to understand is while you have been at the lottery game for years now, some of us only started following since May 2014, so we really are pretty green at it and we make mistakes in our judgement. We assume that what works in our country will work everywhere. While this is wrong and misleading, it is better to correct someone politely like Britsimon or SusieQQQ.

Simon, you should also understand where Sm1smom is coming from. If someone were to research on this forum and find your post, they may assume that in fact an affidavit may work for his Mpango wa Kando (Mistress). Neither we nor the moderators know for sure the final results and at the end of the day, we will give our opinions and leave it to the applicant, lets not fight over our OPINIONS.

In other news, I hope the bulletin will jump by 10000 next month. I am considering starting a prayer chain on this site.... Hell, if prayer is so powerful, I think I'll just pray for every region to go current and everyone goes green. (Said in Jest. DO NOT SCOLD ME).
 
A Kenyan , from Nairobi - Victor got his visa granted this morning


Victors interview experience

asked to provide.....birth cert...police clearance cert.....primary n high school cert....passport

then went to pay interview fee....330USD

questions:.....raise your right hand and swear that the info given is the truth......

a you married..NO.. do you have children ..NO.....after high school ..

have you gone for any course....Yeah...i have a university degree..........

which state are u going to......?. who will host you???.......

congratulations victor....your visa is approved
 
gitma said:
Please let us respect each other and be ready to accommodate one another's views as we are all exchanging ideas for the benefit of the forumates, kindly let us guide one
another with love and respect. On the issue of marriage, my friend entered dv 2016 as a single because the family was far and he could not be able to get their photos.
what will happen in case he wins. Can he fill DS 260 as a single and probably once he is settled in US invite the family. What is your take on this friends.
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He better go it alone, I have several cases in mind of persons who did the same but with differ outcomes; those who added, were denied, those who went it alone (lied)leaving their families behind got their visas.i won't and will never encourage that to happen in the application stage edv as it amounts to fraudulent way of getting a visa.won't give a suggestion on this since what constitute a legal marriage has been extensively covered.
 
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