Dallas Backlog Elimination Center Tracking

Icarus -- question for you please!!

Icarus,

There are people waiting for over 3 years some maybe 4 years to get their labor processed. At this pace what if this BEC cannot accomplish their task in 2 years what happens to those who have been waiting to get processed. DOES BEC promise to clear everything in 2 years? If not what happens to those cases. There might be people who will be interested to know.

Thanks,
Have a great day.


Icarus said:
Presently, no phone tracking or inquiries are being provided/accepted. The email info for atty/agents and employers is:

"To obtain specific information regarding your application, you may send an email to: status@dal.dflc.us

Please include the following information with your request:
The Employer’s Name, the Alien’s first and last name, and if known, the new case ID number.

All email status requests will be responded to via mail in approximately 3 business days."
 
Legal Action against DOL

Hi Guys,

I think we all agree that DOL is unfair in making us wait for atleast another year but getting ready to approve the PERM applications filed after March 28th. Some of us think that legal action is the only way to let DOL know that this is unfair and they would have to process the backlogged applications before they start processing the PERM ones. May be the DOL thought that once PERM is in place lot of us would convert to PERM but my attorney told me that its not a good idea to do it especially if its filed under EB3.

All I am asking is think about this for a moment. We need lot of support to get this going. I am thinking we atleast have 100000 people waiting for their labor and if we each contribute $100, we could raise a million dollars. That should be suffiicient to hire an attorney and start the legal proceedings. If I am totally wrong and I am missing something, please do let me know and I would be the happiest person on the Earth if I am gonna get this thing done without any fuss.

I have started a new thread at http://boards.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=160354 for this purpose. I created a poll to gauge the interest of the fellow forum members in this matter. Please take a moment to vote so that we would know how many people are interested.
 
lalaker

I have already waited for 3.5 years (PD July7, RIR).I can not see any hope in my life. Even you are in your 140/485 stage, you still don't know how long you will wait. One of my friend's name check is in FBI for 20 months now. Still don't have
an answer for that. I will filed NIW next month to try my luck. After that I will file Canada Immigration. From my own experience we can not just wait, we need do something for ourself. At first I think I will get LC next year,everything will be fine. But after 3.5 years past, I still in the process of LC. After PERM is passed, Everything will become worse. Believe me guys, Plan your life now, don't count on anything(BEC, BRC, DOL, PERM...) or anybody(lawyer,employer, senate, congressman...). Because nobody can feel the pain you suffered for this. Any comments are welcome!
 
rest_2004_free said:
Icarus,

There are people waiting for over 3 years some maybe 4 years to get their labor processed. At this pace what if this BEC cannot accomplish their task in 2 years what happens to those who have been waiting to get processed. DOES BEC promise to clear everything in 2 years? If not what happens to those cases. There might be people who will be interested to know.

Thanks,
Have a great day.
BEC is contracted with DOL for a set time (2 years) with options to renew. Since the contract was awarded in July of 04 and data entry isn't expected to be completed until March of 06, obviously that original 2 years will be extended (you and I hope :cool: )
 
Icarus -- thanks ...but

In other words you are saying that the data entry will go on until 2006 and then they start adjucating or processing...after all who does not want their contracts extended...it is a lame excuse to keep us waiting.

If the contract is awarded to another comp after two years will they use a new computer system..and new databases....I hope not again they might send out the 45 day letters and data entry???

I have been reading that RiR cases will be started first...I am sorry for repeating this again...but I also read that as and when they receive the response from 45 day letter, they will start clearing cases...if that is true my case which is RiR PD June 2003 reached Chic DOL June 2004...when will I see an ink on my application from their hands...? atleast a projection of the timeframe with the current estimates would be very helpful...

Thanks again and have a great day.
:rolleyes:

Icarus said:
BEC is contracted with DOL for a set time (2 years) with options to renew. Since the contract was awarded in July of 04 and data entry isn't expected to be completed until March of 06, obviously that original 2 years will be extended (you and I hope :cool: )
 
questions

My friend received 45 letter and replied to continue application attached with company 2003 tax return form. the company filed non-RIR LC for him in 2000, but this private company was sold last year in September. the position is not available any more. do you guys think he still get LC approved? (if LC approved, I140 also can filed with 2004 tax return form...and no one knows the company never exist any more since LC and I140 stage they only look at the paper.) My knowledge is limited, and I could not answer him...will he get into any trouble? Appreciate any input.
 
rest_2004_free said:
In other words you are saying that the data entry will go on until 2006 and then they start adjucating or processing...after all who does not want their contracts extended...it is a lame excuse to keep us waiting.

If the contract is awarded to another comp after two years will they use a new computer system..and new databases....I hope not again they might send out the 45 day letters and data entry???

I have been reading that RiR cases will be started first...I am sorry for repeating this again...but I also read that as and when they receive the response from 45 day letter, they will start clearing cases...if that is true my case which is RiR PD June 2003 reached Chic DOL June 2004...when will I see an ink on my application from their hands...? atleast a projection of the timeframe with the current estimates would be very helpful...

Thanks again and have a great day.
:rolleyes:
analysis/adjudication/processing has already begun on a limited basis as the first responses to 45-day letters have come in. The 3/06 time frame is an estimate of how long it will take the BEC to enter the entire amount of its share of the 300,000+ cases currently backlogged at the regional and state levels. The states have funding through 3/05 with which to wrap things up on the backlogged cases and forward them to the BEC. Dallas BEC roughly covers the western US from the Mississippi, and to date have only received a smattering of state cases from California. So, to repeat: adjudication, etc. WILL NOT be suspended until every case has been received and entered into PBLS. It will continue (and hopefully more personnel will be applied to the analysis task) along with the data entry of newer cases from the regions and the states.
 
Icarus said:
analysis/adjudication/processing has already begun on a limited basis as the first responses to 45-day letters have come in. The 3/06 time frame is an estimate of how long it will take the BEC to enter the entire amount of its share of the 300,000+ cases currently backlogged at the regional and state levels. The states have funding through 3/05 with which to wrap things up on the backlogged cases and forward them to the BEC. Dallas BEC roughly covers the western US from the Mississippi, and to date have only received a smattering of state cases from California. So, to repeat: adjudication, etc. WILL NOT be suspended until every case has been received and entered into PBLS. It will continue (and hopefully more personnel will be applied to the analysis task) along with the data entry of newer cases from the regions and the states.
What a shame!
 
Icarus,

First of all, I would like to thank you for all of your valuable information...
I am curious where you get all these information. Do you have a reliable contact in the Dallas BPC and you talk to them very often or...?
I am just curious. I trust your information.
 
Icarus said:
analysis/adjudication/processing has already begun on a limited basis as the first responses to 45-day letters have come in.
Hope i didnt misread your above sentence

I am realy wondering How can these BECS start adjudicating when the earliest PR/RD cases are yet to recieve the letters. Is it not unfair for ppl having Earliest PD's not to recievie the letters for no fault of theirs.
We can understand if they are doing required formalities for replies recd and keeping ready before adjudicating by PD FIFO . And only a few overlaps can be acceptable for some technical or mail delays.

Thanks again for inside info about BEC, Keep up the Good work
 
Not Fair? Are you kidding? When has the DOL ever been fair? Wait until there are 3 year wait periods in the 485/140 stage because of PERM cases.
Jeeeeeeezzzzzz!!!!!
 
NIW applicant said:
Not Fair? Are you kidding? When has the DOL ever been fair? Wait until there are 3 year wait periods in the 485/140 stage because of PERM cases.
Jeeeeeeezzzzzz!!!!!

I-140 and I-485 is long away. However PERM should not affect our processing at I-485 stages since it is PD based. or Unless Visa Cut off date for Asian countries stays there for Jan 2002 for ever.
 
I am realy wondering How can these BECS start adjudicating when the earliest PR/RD cases are yet to recieve the letters. Is it not unfair for ppl having Earliest PD's not to recievie the letters for no fault of theirs.
We can understand if they are doing required formalities for replies recd and keeping ready before adjudicating by PD FIFO . And only a few overlaps can be acceptable for some technical or mail delays.

Thanks again for inside info about BEC, Keep up the Good work.

BEC's are staffed with the purpose of the entire process to be operating simultaneously. Obviously, as the first 45-day letters have been coming in over the past month, analysts for RIR and TR are being pulled from data entry duties to assume those that they were hired for. And due to the variety of response from employers and agent/attys, there is no "pure" way to hold cases until others with prior PD's come back with responses. Unfortunately, in addition to the few cases being abandoned by employers for various reasons, employers and or attorneys move (the backlog being longer in some cases than the duration of the mail forwarding orders) and the 45-day letters come back undeliverable. As it is the employer's responsibility to update application information, unless an attorney moves without notifying their client-the employer, the application will be closed at the end of the 45-day period unless there is notification of a change. Employers are being notified if the attorney letter comes back undeliverable so that they can continue the application or notify their new attorney.
 
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sameer2730 said:
Can my colleague or manager send an email directly to find out the status of my case through email or must it be some one from HR. How would they know?
Inquiries need to be from the representative (or their successor) listed on the back of the employer's 750A or the agent/attorney listed on the 750 or the G-28

Other inquiries will be directed to follow the above channels.
 
Perm Update

Perm Update

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Highlights of PERM Meeting in Chicago - Jan 2005

The U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) held its first PERM training meeting in Chicago, Illinois on January 11, 2005. To ensure that we stay abreast of the latest information on PERM, we sent an attorney from The Law Office of Sheela Murthy, P.C. to the session. This valuable information is the latest available on backlog reduction and PERM. It should help MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers in making their plans.

Update on Backlog Elimination Centers

The meeting began with a Backlog Elimination Center (BEC) update. There are the two BECs in Philadelphia, PA and Dallas, TX, as well as two "satellite" backlog centers - New York, NY (with Boston, MA) and San Francisco, CA. The two satellites will stay open for approximately another year. The oldest cases from the regional offices are at the BECs. Open cases at the regions are not moving to the BECs. Each BEC has approximately 200 contract staff members. The federal staff moved to the BECs from the regional offices will make all final case decisions.

San Francisco had the largest volume of backlog cases, so 10,000 of their cases went to Dallas and 10,000 to Philadelphia. The DOL is using UPS for backlog shipments. The contract staff from Exceed Corporation is responsible for getting all of the cases moved to their proper locations. The current expectation is that there are an additional 200,000 cases from the states beyond those moved from the regions.

As of January 4, 2005, only 17 states had sent their backlogged cases that were due on December 31, 2004. This is approximately 24,000 cases. Larger states are slower because they have more cases to box.

Procedures at BECs

BEC operations have been making progress each day. There are many challenges because of the large volume of cases. There is a brand new software system that has glitches and a largely new staff that needs training. To date, they have sent approximately 26,000 "45-day letters." These are letters to potential employers essentially verifying whether or not the employer wishes to pursue the case. Of these, 11,000 had potentially unnecessary questions about the existence of the company because of the insufficient database that was in use. They now have other databases and they will continue to send out these 45-day letters. The DOL requests that the 11,000 letters also be answered, as this is more efficient than their having to send out revised letters.

When the BEC gets a case, it goes through data entry and then the 45-day letter is issued. When the response is received, the case is put into one of the 2 processing streams (RIR or Regular), and those streams are adjusted for FIFO (first-in / first-out order) on a routine basis. Information is in the process of being set up for a public system. Right now, the Boston and New York regional offices are the only locations with accurate information available to the public. The initial data entry that precedes issuance of the 45-day letter is under consideration for possibly being abbreviated so that the files may more quickly be identified as having arrived at the BECs. A national database is being implemented so that it will be possible to call one BEC and get information about the location of the file, regardless of which BEC has the file.

Efforts are currently focused on data entry. It does not appear that cases are being processed as yet. The next step will be to share the BEC software with New York / Boston and San Francisco, once more of the programmatic problems have been worked out.

The DOL expects backlog procedures to be fully defined by the PERM start date of March 28, 2005. Anything filed prior to PERM will be considered a part of the backlog. Backlog elimination is estimated to take approximately 24 to 30 months once PERM has begun. This, in part, depends upon the number of people re-filing under PERM.

Expect DOL Transitional Guidances

The DOL expects to release two more guidances on transitional procedures in the near future. The first will guide the states on procedures once PERM has been implemented. This is expected to be published in the next month. The second notice will outline which states will use the Atlanta National Processing Center (NPC) and which will use the Chicago NPC for PERM. Both guidances will appear in the Federal Register.

Temporary programs, like the H2B program, will move to Atlanta, GA and Chicago, IL so that BECs will be able to focus on backlogs. This transition has not been completed yet. DOL will issue guidance on handling non-PERM cases received after March 28, 2005 (postmarked before March 28, 2005, etc).

What Triggers an Audit under PERM?

Under PERM, there are certain programmatic "flags" that will trigger DOL case audits. Audits will be triggered by responses on the forms. The DOL is using technology to detect anything odd, down to whether the phone number provided for a company is a cell phone number.

Processing Timeframes under PERM

Most PERM cases are expected to be completed in 45 to 60 days, but this processing time will not apply to those cases that are submitted by mail. The system will assign a date to an eFiling automatically. Paper filings will be date stamped.

Previous RIR or Regular Cases Re-Filed as PERM

The DOL will be posting information on the conversion to PERM of cases previously filed under the regular LC or RIR programs. Re-filed applications may take longer to process than other PERM cases that are filed on the new ETA Form 9089. The time will depend upon how many of these are received and where the original case files are located. Most likely, they are going to have a relationship between the BEC database and the PERM database to use technology as much as possible to check whether the filings are identical - a requirement for retaining the original priority date. DOL expects that re-filing a case should still result in a faster labor certification processing than if the case is left at the BEC and not re-filed. With priority date retrogression preventing EB3 cases from reaching the I-485 stage, this faster processing may not result in any net gain in overall green card processing time for those nationals from India, mainland China, and the Philippines affected by the EB3 retrogression of dates. For a detailed analysis of this topic, see our January 21, 2005 MurthyBulletin article, PERM and EB3 Candidates - File Regular LC Now!, available on MurthyDotCom.

Employer Obligations Regarding Recruitment

If there is any doubt as to whether a case is for a professional job, the DOL recommends that the employers complete the professional recruitment. For all cases, the State Workforce Agency or SWA job order must be sent to the SWA, not just America's Job Bank.

If there are laid-off U.S. workers, an explanation as to why they are not qualified should be in the employer's recruitment report. The DOL thinks that recruitment reports are even more important under an attestation model. They do not want "the ink to be too wet" on a recruitment report if there is an audit. That is, it should be prepared at the time the recruitment occurs, not at the time of an audit. The DOL will also be checking whether the employer is aware that a case was filed for the particular employee. Thus it appears that there may be greater scrutiny by the DOL if an employer files on behalf of a future employee.

Deadlines for Responses to DOL

Under PERM, there is supposed to be a 30-day deadline for any information that the DOL requests. The DOL believes this is better than different deadlines for different types of requests. The DOL emphasized that 30 days for audit letters is only taking into account that someone may be out of town, but they expect the data to be readily available and sent in much earlier.

Prevailing Wages

The DOL is working with the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) on the four prevailing wage levels required under the 2004 Omnibus Act and expect to have guidance and training available on this issue prior to March 8, 2005. As some of our readers may be aware, PERM requires the DOL to consider four levels of wages instead of the existing two levels. This has caused a great deal of hardship and potential problems for employers and employees.

Conclusion

We appreciate the DOL's efforts in holding these meetings around the country to explain PERM. Although the DOL did not answer specific audience questions about PERM, they did collect written questions they intend to answer on an FAQ page on the DOL WebSite in the future.

As always, we at The Law Office of Sheela Murthy are pleased to be able to share this cutting- edge information with our readers. We will continue to monitor the DOL's various presentations and update MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers on this hot topic that will affect many lives.

Copyright 2005, The Law Office of Sheela Murthy, P.C. All Rights Reserved
 
Question for Icarus

Icarus said:
analysis/adjudication/processing has already begun on a limited basis as the first responses to 45-day letters have come in. The 3/06 time frame is an estimate of how long it will take the BEC to enter the entire amount of its share of the 300,000+ cases currently backlogged at the regional and state levels. The states have funding through 3/05 with which to wrap things up on the backlogged cases and forward them to the BEC. Dallas BEC roughly covers the western US from the Mississippi, and to date have only received a smattering of state cases from California. So, to repeat: adjudication, etc. WILL NOT be suspended until every case has been received and entered into PBLS. It will continue (and hopefully more personnel will be applied to the analysis task) along with the data entry of newer cases from the regions and the states.

Icarus,
Can you please confirm that..

'analysis/adjudication/processing has already begun on a limited basis as the first responses to 45-day letters have come in'

Are these special cases of some sort like 'Professors' etc or the regular RIR/TR cases.

Also,
Can you please tell where May 1 2002 PD (RIR) (45 day letter replied on Jan 3rd 2005) should be on the queue.

Thx
ZB
 
Zany_Brainy said:
Icarus,
Can you please confirm that..

'analysis/adjudication/processing has already begun on a limited basis as the first responses to 45-day letters have come in'

Are these special cases of some sort like 'Professors' etc or the regular RIR/TR cases. No, these cases were from the first of the 45-day letter responses to clear PBLS as having all the info needed to begin analysis

Also,
Can you please tell where May 1 2002 PD (RIR) (45 day letter replied on Jan 3rd 2005) should be on the queue.

ZB
unable to confirm presently due to system access limitations
 
The Optimist said:
Perm Update

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Highlights of PERM Meeting in Chicago - Jan 2005

The U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) held its first PERM training meeting in Chicago, Illinois on January 11, 2005. To ensure that we stay abreast of the latest information on PERM, we sent an attorney from The Law Office of Sheela Murthy, P.C. to the session. This valuable information is the latest available on backlog reduction and PERM. It should help MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers in making their plans.

Update on Backlog Elimination Centers

The meeting began with a Backlog Elimination Center (BEC) update. There are the two BECs in Philadelphia, PA and Dallas, TX, as well as two "satellite" backlog centers - New York, NY (with Boston, MA) and San Francisco, CA. The two satellites will stay open for approximately another year.see below ** The oldest cases from the regional offices are at the BECs. Open cases at the regions are not moving to the BECs. Each BEC has approximately 200(100?) contract staff members. The federal staff moved to the BECs from the regional offices will make all final case decisions.

San Francisco had the largest volume of backlog cases, so 10,000 of their cases went to Dallas and 10,000 to Philadelphia. The DOL is using UPS for backlog shipments. The contract staff from Exceed Corporation is responsible for getting all of the cases moved to their proper locations. The current expectation is that there are an additional 200,000 cases from the states beyond those moved from the regions.

As of January 4, 2005, only 17 states had sent their backlogged cases that were due on December 31, 2004. This is approximately 24,000 cases. Larger states are slower because they have more cases to box.

Procedures at BECs

BEC operations have been making progress each day. There are many challenges because of the large volume of cases. There is a brand new software system that has glitches and a largely new staff that needs training. To date, they have sent approximately 26,000 "45-day letters." These are letters to potential employers essentially verifying whether or not the employer wishes to pursue the case. Of these, 11,000 had potentially unnecessary questions about the existence of the company because of the insufficient database that was in use. They now have other databases and they will continue to send out these 45-day letters. The DOL requests that the 11,000 letters also be answered, as this is more efficient than their having to send out revised letters.

When the BEC gets a case, it goes through data entry and then the 45-day letter is issued. When the response is received, the case is put into one of the 2 processing streams (RIR or Regular)(2 queues), and those streams are adjusted for FIFO (first-in / first-out order) on a routine basis. Information is in the process of being set up for a public system. Right now, the Boston and New York regional offices are the only locations with accurate information available to the public. The initial data entry that precedes issuance of the 45-day letter is under consideration for possibly being abbreviated so that the files may more quickly be identified as having arrived at the BECs. A national database is being implemented so that it will be possible to call one BEC and get information about the location of the file, regardless of which BEC has the file.

Efforts are currently focused on data entry. It does not appear that cases are being processed as yet. The next step will be to share the BEC software with New York / Boston and San Francisco, once more of the programmatic problems have been worked out....

**[The DOL expects backlog procedures to be fully defined by the PERM start date of March 28, 2005. Anything filed prior to PERM will be considered a part of the backlog. Backlog elimination is estimated to take approximately 24 to 30 months once PERM has begun. This, in part, depends upon the number of people re-filing under PERM.....

Temporary programs, like the H2B program, will move to Atlanta, GA and Chicago, IL so that BECs will be able to focus on backlogs. This transition has not been completed yet. DOL will issue guidance on handling non-PERM cases received after March 28, 2005 (postmarked before March 28, 2005, etc)...
(emphasis mine)
 
Icarus,
so will the regional cases and state cases be separated in processing? I remember your answer was positive before.. Just want to confirm again.
 
Icarus said:
analysis/adjudication/processing has already begun on a limited basis as the first responses to 45-day letters have come in. The 3/06 time frame is an estimate of how long it will take the BEC to enter the entire amount of its share of the 300,000+ cases currently backlogged at the regional and state levels. The states have funding through 3/05 with which to wrap things up on the backlogged cases and forward them to the BEC. Dallas BEC roughly covers the western US from the Mississippi, and to date have only received a smattering of state cases from California. So, to repeat: adjudication, etc. WILL NOT be suspended until every case has been received and entered into PBLS. It will continue (and hopefully more personnel will be applied to the analysis task) along with the data entry of newer cases from the regions and the states.

fyi...
a point here...State cases from Denver (CO) have moved to Dallas - BEC (with PD -f Dec-02 & prior)...balance unopened will move by Mar-05.
rgds,
lfgc
PD-Mar02-Denver-Reg-Dec-04-Dallas-BEC
 
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