Concurrent Filing - Using Cross Chargeability

In the i485 form in part 3 processing information there is a question have you ever before applied for permanent resident status in US .

What shd I select in this question YES or NO as I had applied before under cross chargeability but it was returned due to PD not current


mrsr,
Sorry to hear about your CC returned packet.
I'm not sure what column you're referring to, but the field that says country of chargeability should be whatever country you're charging the visa to.
Now, if you send the packet back, ensure that it is addressed to the "MAILROOM SUPERVISOR" with "ATTN: IMPROPERLY REJECTED APPLICATION".
That would make it bypass the mailroom contractors and get it to someone who knows CC, the supervisor in this instance.
Also search for WellWisher's post ye back in this forum for his packet preparation guidelines. Not sure what the number is off the top of my head.
 
In the i485 form in part 3 processing information there is a question have you ever before applied for permanent resident status in US .

What shd I select in this question YES or NO as I had applied before under cross chargeability but it was returned due to PD not current

I'm definitely not qualified legal counsel, but I believe you would say "No"; with the reason being you had sent your packet to the service center and it never made it past the mailroom. Consequently you were never an AOS applicant, and consequently you had never applied for permanent residency. I believe that section most applies for individuals who've filed and withdrawn their applications, or if they've filed an AOS with some other 140, and so on.
So no, I think in your case its no.
 
What next, pl advice

Hi Ks_cc,

I called TSC on the 18th and the rep told me that my Background check(I guess the NC), was still pending. I also asked and got to know that my NC was initiated on July 31st 2006.

So very soon it will be a year since my 485 RD/ND and subsequently my NC initiation. Thus time for those letters.
Please correct my seq:
1. FOIP from FBI.
2. Letter to Senetor(of my state) with a copy of FBI reply(if it says NC returned to USCIS)
3. Letter to FL with a copy of FBI reply(if it says NC returned to USCIS)

For all of the above I should be using snail mail and not email right?

Another question:
I know there is no hard and fast rule as to when such letters should be initiated, but my case got filed in Oct 2005(LC, i.e. PD), so I have been in the quest for GC for the past 1 yr 8 months only. I came to the US first on Sept 2001 for 2 months and then came over permanently in Jan 2002, so I was not here doing my graduation/post grad. etc. What Iam getting at is that compared to the folks who have written to the local congressman(woman) has a PD of 2002/03 or was here doing their grad/post grad. Thus my fear is that my letters will get rejected and would anger the authorities and my 485 would be thrown to the dungeons.

Please advice.

Thnks & rgds,
-Still
 
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Hi Ks_cc,

I called TSC on the 18th and the rep told me that my Background check(I guess the NC), was still pending. I also asked and got to know that my NC was initiated on July 31st 2006.

So very soon it will be a year since my 485 RD/ND and subsequently my NC initiation. Thus time for those letters.
Please correct my seq:
1. FOIP from FBI.
2. Letter to Senetor(of my state) with a copy of FBI reply(if it says NC returned to USCIS)
3. Letter to FL with a copy of FBI reply(if it says NC returned to USCIS)

For all of the above I should be using snail mail and not email right?

Another question:
I know there is no hard and fast rule as to when such letters should be initiated, but my case got filed in Oct 2005(LC, i.e. PD), so I have been in the quest for GC for the past 1 yr 8 months only. I came to the US first on Sept 2001 for 2 months and then came over permanently in Jan 2002, so I was not here doing my graduation/post grad. etc. What Iam getting at is that compared to the folks who have written to the local congressman(woman) has a PD of 2002/03 or was here doing their grad/post grad. Thus my fear is that my letters will get rejected and would anger the authorities and my 485 would be thrown to the dungeons.

Please advice.

Thnks & rgds,
-Still

Hi Still,
I'm sorry to hear that you're in the name check black hole. However, definitely do not despair. I can testify to the fact that if you rattle the cages a little bit, you can dig yourself out of the hole, rather emerge from a wormhole on the other end. Trust me when I tell you that I had initially believed that all the correspondence I sent over to alleviate my name check issue was not going to have effect, but after getting out of the name check once I did undertake some proactive steps leads me to believe that writing to elected officials does bear fruit.
In my opinion, we as applicants need to realize that these agencies, both CIS and the FBI do not intentionally delay our applications in an underhanded effort to screw with us. Both agencies are bureaucratic behemoths that deal with unbelievable volumes of applications, are understaffed and underfunded. The FBI in particular does not have an enviable job. The National Name Check processing times vary wildly and since there is little insight or oversight into the workings of the process, it definitely causes a lot of anxiety since you just don't know and have no idea of when you'll be done. Just my 0.02. Its easy to forget about this when we're in it, trust me, there have been times when I was really frustrated.

Now. When is it a good time to start being proactive? I think six months after having filed your AOS application is the right time....not the labor, but the 485, so in your case, a good time would be now. There was a gentleman on these forums who sent letters to everyone imaginable including Santa Claus....and his AOS was just 4 months old. SO, in theory, he was well under FBI projected times and USCIS processing times. Nonetheless, he got out of the name check and even his AOS was approved a month or two ago. Good for him. Was it fair? Maybe not, but he did what he had to do and he's better off for it.

I hate to sound like a know-it-all, but sometime ago, I had postulated about steps to undertake to get out of name check on the Texas Service Center thread. To encapsulate, I believe that if you, as an applicant, send a letter to the First Lady's office, to the White House of all places, it does have an effect. Not just because the Dept of Justice gets a forwarded piece of mail from the White House (which I believe may have a lot of weight), but also because logically, if you send a letter to the White House, you know that it will be intensely scrutinized, and odds are, you aren't a person of malintent to the nation. Simplistic, yet probably true.

From what I have seen through the months, individuals who attached a copy of their FOIPA records along with their request letter to the White House, received a letter from the FBI Records Division stating that their name check was processed, finalized and sent to the USCIS HQ in DC on xx/xx/xxxx. Folks such as myself who did NOT do so received a letter stating that our name checks were "in process" and there was no estimated timeframe as to how much longer it would take. The latter individuals, self included, to much jubilation realized that their name checks had cleared about a month after getting that letter. So I think if you do not attach the FOIPA, the Records Division may have to obtain your FOIPA records first before consolidating your name check data. Those who attach FOIPA make it easier for the Records Division to process their name checks. In either case, I believe it gets the dust off your file.

Realize that my theory could be totally and absolutely nonsense, so use your own discretion, but from my observations, these are the ideal sequence of events:
a. Request a copy of your FOIPA.
b. Send a letter to the First Lady's office pleading your case.
c. Send a letter to your US Senator (make sure you personalize your boilerplate letter).
Also note that if you send a letter to either the President's office or the Vice-President's office, they redirect the letter to the USCIS. The First Lady's office is the only one I know of that directs it to the Dept of Justice which then sends it to the FBI.
d. You can also send a letter to the congressperson in your congressional district, but they need to know that they should request information from the FBI and not USCIS.

Lastly, ensure that you strike up a positive relationship with the office staff of these elected officials. In my case, both my Congresswoman's office and my Senator's office staff are incredibly proactive and very very helpful. Extremely patient and greatly resourceful. They're the messengers, so taking a positive stance with them even if it means they tell you to call back in 30/60/90 days would only help your case.

Definitely ping me if you need additional information. I believe you have my contact information, including my phone numbers. If you'd like to chat about this, give me a call on my cell phone at any time. If I'm in the middle of something, I'll just call you back...you're on Eastern time, so we're in sync there.

Good luck and starting typing!
k
 
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Foipa

I know the FOIPA is something from the FBI that tells us that it found no data on our name checks, but does it also say if the Name check cleared and they sent the results back to USCIS on such and such date ? I read on some forums about people saying that the FBI "told them" their name checks were cleared and sent back to USCIS on such and such date, is this referring to the FOIPA? Or is there some other procedure to find this information from the FBI?

Thanks.
 
Hi Still!
Apart from what ks said, I would also suggest you to write letter to president/vp/some of the fbi officials and omb though OMB may not be that useful and it is just like opening an inquiry with USCIS.

I wrote to every one once without FOIPA copy and later with FOIPA copy. I always used first class mail to send my letters. Please note that I didn't get any reply from FBI or anyone about my name check clearance yet, though I got reply from VP/OMB on my case. Also remember, emphasis on FBI name check give A#. This way, it may happen that VP may forward it to FBI rather than to USCIS

I talked to NSC few days back and also today and both the times they were saying that my case is ready to be assigned to officer. When I was specifically asking about my name check cleared or not, they were saying unless security checks are done, it won't be waiting for assignment to an officer. I have an info pass appointment on monday and will know for sure what is happening with my case. I opened a SR too.

My take is do whatever you can do from your side and sit back for few months.

Some of the addresses:

Glenn G. Powell
Special Operations
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Suite 4706
Washington, D.C. 20530-0001


Federal Bureau of investigation
Inspection Division
935 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, D.C. 20535


Michael A.Cannon (He may be more helpful)
Section Chief
National Name Check Program Section
Records Management Division
Federal Bureau of Investigation
J. Edgar Hoover Building
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW


Timothy J. Keefer
Deputey office for programs and compliance
U.S. Department of home land security
Office of civil rights and civil liberties
Department of Homeland Security
Mail Stop #0800
Washington, DC 20528



Constance L. Carter
Customer Assistance office
U.S CIS
U.S. Department of home land security
Washington, D.C. 20528


President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Vice President Richard B. Cheney
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500


First Lady Laura Bush (helpful)
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500


Robert Mueller
FBI director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
J. Edgar Hoover Building
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW


Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001

Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Washington, D.C. 20528



Thanks!
 
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Social Security and Other Names question for principal and spouse

1)US social security number for spouse if she doesn't have one .. should i leave it N/A or put tin number

2)What we should fill for the question other Names in all forms?

quick response is highly appreciated.

Thanks
 
1)US social security number for spouse if she doesn't have one .. should i leave it N/A or put tin number

2)What we should fill for the question other Names in all forms?

quick response is highly appreciated.

Thanks

I think I left it blank(SSN question)

Other Names: It is only applicable if there has been a change in name(this is what my lawyer had told me)
 
I know the FOIPA is something from the FBI that tells us that it found no data on our name checks, but does it also say if the Name check cleared and they sent the results back to USCIS on such and such date ? I read on some forums about people saying that the FBI "told them" their name checks were cleared and sent back to USCIS on such and such date, is this referring to the FOIPA? Or is there some other procedure to find this information from the FBI?

Thanks.
Hi Prez
I posted the following on a different thread...

Unfortunately, the FOIPA has little consequence or is only partially applicable to the actual name check that occurs within the scope of the National Name Check Program. Now, that doesn't mean that this isn't good to know. Knowledge that their primary databases do not have any negative hits against you is a very good thing, and I don't want to make light of it, but realize that this does not mean that your name check might be processed in the same expediency. Might I suggest that you send a letter to the White House addressed to the First Lady? Its been proven to work way too many times to not notice a consistent pattern wherein individuals who've undertaken this, including myself, have received a letter from the FBI in about 2-3 months informing them that either their name check is cleared, or it has cleared a month or so after (after getting a "in process" letter from them). Its good to know that your wife's name check is cleared. I presume she's the derivative on your application.
Anyway, if it helps, here's a blurb from the FBI itself off their website distinguishing the FOIPA and Name Check:

Freedom of Information and Privacy Act (FOIPA) vs. Name Check: Freedom of Information and Privacy Acts (FOIPA) requests are sometimes confused with name check requests. FOIPA provides copies of FBI files relevant to a specific FOIPA request. For FOIPA, the FBI search uses the name or information as provided in the FOIPA request. A FOIPA search determines whether there is an investigative file associated with an individual—a “main file” search. For a name check, “main files” and “reference files” are both checked, in addition to searching a name in a multitude of combinations.

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So, when people make reference to getting a letter from the FBI, it is in response to their letters to the First Ladys office. The FBI does not correspond directly with AOS or citizenship applicants that are in the name check process. Their website states that they only communicate with their customers, the USCIS and other agencies, and refers you to call the CIS for details. Ironically, several times, USCIS would tell you to contact the FBI, so both point fingers at each other and you're left pretty confused.
Anyway, the sequence of events is that a person sends a letter to the First Lady, her office sends it to the Dept of Justice, and the DoJ sends it to the FBI Records Division that conducts the National Name Check program. In about two or three months, the FBI then sends the person a letter informing them about the status of their name check...either finalized, in process, or pending.
FOIPA is independent of this and you can send the form in directly to the FBI. Hope this helps.
 
Can I use the biometrics opportunity to enquire abt my case or do I need to schedule another Infopass appt for this? Has anyone tried this..
 
Hi overboard,
Fingerprints have a validity of 15 months. I don't believe you're at the 15 month point yet, are you? I think I might be the "oldest" amongst us and my first FPs were done on April 23 2006, and are valid through the 3rd week of July.
Perhaps your case is ready for adjudication and they requested a fresh set?!

Ks,

I got my first set done on Apr 4th.. So looks like its time for the next set..

You should be getting one too shortly if ur card doesnt come prior to that..

Cheers
Over
 
Can I use the biometrics opportunity to enquire abt my case or do I need to schedule another Infopass appt for this? Has anyone tried this..

Hi overboard,
Nope, definitely use the biometrics opportunity to get case status, in particular the FBI Name Check status. If your name check is cleared, I predict that you'll be seeing some green in about 2-4 weeks post-biometrics.
Regards
k
 
Hi Prez
I posted the following on a different thread...

Unfortunately, the FOIPA has little consequence or is only partially applicable to the actual name check that occurs within the scope of the National Name Check Program. Now, that doesn't mean that this isn't good to know. Knowledge that their primary databases do not have any negative hits against you is a very good thing, and I don't want to make light of it, but realize that this does not mean that your name check might be processed in the same expediency. Might I suggest that you send a letter to the White House addressed to the First Lady? Its been proven to work way too many times to not notice a consistent pattern wherein individuals who've undertaken this, including myself, have received a letter from the FBI in about 2-3 months informing them that either their name check is cleared, or it has cleared a month or so after (after getting a "in process" letter from them). Its good to know that your wife's name check is cleared. I presume she's the derivative on your application.
Anyway, if it helps, here's a blurb from the FBI itself off their website distinguishing the FOIPA and Name Check:

Freedom of Information and Privacy Act (FOIPA) vs. Name Check: Freedom of Information and Privacy Acts (FOIPA) requests are sometimes confused with name check requests. FOIPA provides copies of FBI files relevant to a specific FOIPA request. For FOIPA, the FBI search uses the name or information as provided in the FOIPA request. A FOIPA search determines whether there is an investigative file associated with an individual—a “main file” search. For a name check, “main files” and “reference files” are both checked, in addition to searching a name in a multitude of combinations.

-----
So, when people make reference to getting a letter from the FBI, it is in response to their letters to the First Ladys office. The FBI does not correspond directly with AOS or citizenship applicants that are in the name check process. Their website states that they only communicate with their customers, the USCIS and other agencies, and refers you to call the CIS for details. Ironically, several times, USCIS would tell you to contact the FBI, so both point fingers at each other and you're left pretty confused.
Anyway, the sequence of events is that a person sends a letter to the First Lady, her office sends it to the Dept of Justice, and the DoJ sends it to the FBI Records Division that conducts the National Name Check program. In about two or three months, the FBI then sends the person a letter informing them about the status of their name check...either finalized, in process, or pending.
FOIPA is independent of this and you can send the form in directly to the FBI. Hope this helps.


Thanks a lot ks. Clear as crystal.
 
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It's been 55 days, since I requested for CC and more over my India PD has also become current from June 01st, still waiting no approval yet.

PD: 09/2002
485 RD: 10/2003

4 EAD/4 AP
5th FP on June 06th...Code1
 
It's been 55 days, since I requested for CC and more over my India PD has also become current from June 01st, still waiting no approval yet.

PD: 09/2002
485 RD: 10/2003

4 EAD/4 AP
5th FP on June 06th...Code1

skp19722003,
You had a FP pretty recently. All things being equal, I'd say expect some good news soon, but...(always a but), do you know what the status of your name check is? Since its been a while, I'd say it should be clear, but with this stuff you never really know.
Regards
k
 
My case is ready to go. I spoke to an office 3 weeks ago. He said that my name check is done and case is to be adjudicated. When?

skp19722003,
You had a FP pretty recently. All things being equal, I'd say expect some good news soon, but...(always a but), do you know what the status of your name check is? Since its been a while, I'd say it should be clear, but with this stuff you never really know.
Regards
k
 
FOIPA Request to FBI

Hi ks_cc

Thank you for sharing the valuable information regarding the various approaches that you took to get your name check cleared. I really appreciate all the leadership/guidance you are providing to the people who are waiting in this process.

To summarize my status I filed my 485 in CSC on 1/2006 and was transferred to TSC on 3/2006.Had my fingerprinting in 4/2006 so I guess my name check request was sent to FBI during the same time.I did a NCS service request on 7/2006 and got a letter back from TSC on 11/2006 saying that my 485 was "pending security checks". I called TSC directly using POJ on 6/2007 and was told that my case was "under investigation". Upon further questioning whether the TSC lady meant FBI name check, she confirmed in the affirmative.

Due to various personal reasons I have not been able to devote time and energy to follow-up on my 485 process effectively. However I now feel that enough time has elapsed and I have to take matters in my own hands and do all that I can possibily do. As a first step in the process I am sending a FOIPA request to FBI so that further correspondances with First Lady / Senators etc; carry more weight.

Could you please advise on the following regarding FOIPA:

1. On the FBI website ( http://foia.fbi.gov/ ) which exact form(s) on the FBI website have to be filled out?

FOIA Request Instructions
- FOIA Request Form
- Privacy Waiver and Certificate of Identity Form

Privacy Act Instructions
- Privacy Act Request Form

2. What is the address that the forms have to be mailed to? I saw some confusion regarding the address on some of the forums so wanted to confirm what worked for you.

3. What is the approx. time period in which I can expect a response back from the FBI?

Thanks
Endeavour2003
 
Hi ks_cc

Thank you for sharing the valuable information regarding the various approaches that you took to get your name check cleared. I really appreciate all the leadership/guidance you are providing to the people who are waiting in this process.

To summarize my status I filed my 485 in CSC on 1/2006 and was transferred to TSC on 3/2006.Had my fingerprinting in 4/2006 so I guess my name check request was sent to FBI during the same time.I did a NCS service request on 7/2006 and got a letter back from TSC on 11/2006 saying that my 485 was "pending security checks". I called TSC directly using POJ on 6/2007 and was told that my case was "under investigation". Upon further questioning whether the TSC lady meant FBI name check, she confirmed in the affirmative.

Due to various personal reasons I have not been able to devote time and energy to follow-up on my 485 process effectively. However I now feel that enough time has elapsed and I have to take matters in my own hands and do all that I can possibily do. As a first step in the process I am sending a FOIPA request to FBI so that further correspondances with First Lady / Senators etc; carry more weight.

Could you please advise on the following regarding FOIPA:

1. On the FBI website ( http://foia.fbi.gov/ ) which exact form(s) on the FBI website have to be filled out?

FOIA Request Instructions
- FOIA Request Form
- Privacy Waiver and Certificate of Identity Form

Privacy Act Instructions
- Privacy Act Request Form

2. What is the address that the forms have to be mailed to? I saw some confusion regarding the address on some of the forums so wanted to confirm what worked for you.

3. What is the approx. time period in which I can expect a response back from the FBI?

Thanks
Endeavour2003

Hi Endeavour2003,
Long time no see bud. Hope all is well with you.
Yes, no doubt that enough time has lapsed in your case wherein you could start to be proactive in getting your name check cleared and have your case be adjudicated. I actually think you're in an enviable position to be able to put the AOS on the backburner of life. I wish I could do that, but I've been totally OCD with the AOS. You've got a couple of months on me as far as the 485 filing is concerned, and there's no reason why you shouldn't get out of this sooner than later.
As mentioned, I never got around to sending the FOIPA when I sent my letter to the First Lady's office. I sent my letter sans the FOIPA to the WH on February 14 2007 and received a letter from the Dept of Justice/FBI Records Division in the 3rd week of April, informing me that my name check was "in process" and they could not provide me with any timeframes for completion. My Senator's office had launched an inquiry with the FBI for me in the 3rd week of March, and on June 1st, they received an email response from the FBI that my name check was processed and sent along to the USCIS HQ in DC on May 22nd. So, I am pretty certain that the letter I sent to the First Lady had an effect and the Senator's inquiry simply reflected that. Not quite certain if it was a combination of the two...but whatever works I guess.
I had however, filled out the FOIPA just in case while all this was going on. I also did some research about what exactly to send in, and it is my impression that the FOIPA form is all that you need to send.
The form for the FOIPA can be found here:
http://foia.fbi.gov/privacy_request.htm

Here's the mailing address:
Mail your request to:
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Record Information/Dissemination Section (RIDS)
Service Request Unit, Room 6359
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 2053

I am quite certain that the above is the correct FOIPA form..there's an FOIA form thats also available, but this one explicitly states Privacy Act Request (FOIPA). From what I read, it takes about 3-4 weeks for the FBI to respond to an FOIPA request.
Shoot me a note if you have other questions.
 
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