Claimed to be US Citizen

I guess I’m not making myself clear, US Citizenship for me is extremely important. It is not about just passing a test or just getting a passport. I barely speak another language, English is my language and the US is the only home I know – I have NO allegiance whatsoever to any other country. I came here as a small child without a choice and have been denied an opportunity to be a Citizen merely because the laws said so.

I am in no way being flippant about it but rather just honest. I have met many people that ask, oh where you born here? Well how long have you been here? Then why are you not a citizen? Repeatedly this question has been asked of me from just mere acquaintances during my last 28 years in the US. At one point in my life I was fed up with explanations, my life was private and ultimately none of their business. I had absolutely no gain whatsoever from telling these people this and I should have realized back then that I should have said it was none of their business. But instead I lied, just to quickly dismiss their questioning.

Thank you for your post everyone.

I understand that your life is private and people asking where you are from. that's okay, but you should haven't done with N-400 to claim your citizenship. It is not recommended to claim on N-400 unless you have solid proof(s). You should have tried this: First you should be petitioned by your US citizen spouse in order to get a green card that will take you the path to US citizenship legally.

If you claim to be a US citizen, you need to provide the proof(s) to support your claim like legal immigrant documents, immigrant visa, etc. If you don't have any proof or green card, your N-400 application will be denied and you will be deported.
 
I understand that your life is private and people asking where you are from. that's okay, but you should haven't done with N-400 to claim your citizenship. It is not recommended to claim on N-400 unless you have solid proof(s). You should have tried this: First you should be petitioned by your US citizen spouse in order to get a green card that will take you the path to US citizenship legally.

If you claim to be a US citizen, you need to provide the proof(s) to support your claim like legal immigrant documents, immigrant visa, etc. If you don't have any proof or green card, your N-400 application will be denied and you will be deported.

Either you do not udnerstand your pose, or you do not understand the OP's post, or both
 
Your explanation is not what you were supposed to write. What you wrote does not distinguish between your making a claim in order to obtain benefits under federal or state law or a claim without that purpose.
That is the only thing relevant in this case - whether that would have helped you to get benefits or not.
 
Of all those still waiting in the N-400 process, who has the guts to post one line "I am a US citizen" here?
 
Telling her what she should or shouldn't have done is pretty pointless now, I'm afraid. The damage is done, and the only thing to do is to try and mitigate that damage. I recommend waiting out the decision and, as Bob suggested, write a letter to the agent explaining, in detail, as you did here, why you said what you said.
 
Of all those still waiting in the N-400 process, who has the guts to post one line "I am a US citizen" here?

Why don't you simply stop posting ridiculous things in a thread where serious things are happening? If you must, troll elsewhere.
 
Either you do not udnerstand your pose, or you do not understand the OP's post, or both

I do understand OP's post, but I am trying to tell her that it is crime and totally wrong to falsify on her N-400 to claim her citizenship. If she has proofs, she should provide proofs to USCIS like Bobsymth said (The whole point in submitting the letter is to provide clarification of previous evidence in order to better explain under what circumstances the OP claimed US citizenship).

WBH, you said, "And this is why I always urge
parents to watch out for their non-citizen children and try to get citizenship
for their sake. " that's true. but this person came as a small child.. I am trying to ask her how she came here and lived for a long time. (lottery green card via parents, she probably lost parents who are US citizens or permanent residents, etc). Just ask her.
 
I do understand OP's post, but I am trying to tell her that it is crime and totally wrong to falsify on her N-400 to claim her citizenship. .

She did not falsify anything. She said her case is simple except that she
answered Yes to that citizensjhip claim question because she told others
verbally she was a citizen on informal occation simply because she was
tired of people asking about her immigration status.

She must have a grene catd she obtained legally, otherwise why would she even file N400? (don't tell me anything can happen)
 
advice

What OP needs is an advice what she should do now.
One of the senior member said that she should explain her situation
in a letter and submit that letter via infopass. This is a reasonable advice.
I think also that she should consult with good immigration lawyer before
doing anything.

All these can also be done after she receives decition from USCIS.
I guess that she will be approved, but it is just guess based on limited
knowledge of the immigration laws.
 
I don't want to "over-discuss" the issue. But in my opinion the OP's statement that she was a citizen had no purpose nor benefits. The whole purpose of the law to punish false claims to obtain employment or benefits under state law. The OP's sentence (not even a claim) was purposless and benefitless. I see no reason why USCIS would deny her application unless they do not read the explanation.

She had no reason to check YES for the question. I am surprised the IO did not ask her to correct it to NO!

The guidline:

False Claims to U.S. Citizenship Falling Under 6C2

4. False claims to U.S. citizenship made on or after Sep. 30, 1996 should
be examined under new INA 212(a)(6)(C)(IL) ("6C2"). This provision
significantly expands the scope of the ineligibility related to false
claims to U.S. citizenship. 6C2 applies not only to false USCIT to U.S.
claims made to obtain U.S. passports, entry into the U.S., or other
documentation or benefit under the INA; it also applies to false claims to
U.S. citizenship made for any purpose or benefit under any other federal or
state law. Thus, a false claim to U.S. citizenship, for example, to obtain
welfare benefits would fall within 6C2 (provided the claim was made on or
after 9/30/96). A false representation of U.S. citizenship made for the
purpose of voting in a federal or state election could also be a basis for
a 6C2 finding. (This would be in addition to any ineligibility finding
which might apply under the new unlawful voting provision of INA
212(a)(10)(D)). In addition, 212(a)(6)(C)(IL) expressly covers false USCIT
claims made for any purpose under INA section 274A, which makes it
unlawful to hire an alien who is not authorized to work in the U.S. Thus,
an alien’s false claim to U.S. citizenship in order to secure employment in
violation of INA 2-4A would justify a 6C2 finding.

5. As noted above, 6C1 only applies to misrepresentations made to Consular
Officers, INS officers, or similar USG personnel. Conversely, there is
nothing in the language of 6C2 which would require that the false claim be
made to a U.S. official involved in implementing some aspect of the INA.
On the contrary, since the statute covers false claims to U.S. citizenship
made for purposes or benefits unrelated to the INA, the language of the
statute would appear to presuppose that in at least some cases the false
claim will be made to a federal official outside the Department or INS, or
to a State official, or even to a private individual (e.g., in cases where
the false claim to citizenship is made to a prospective employer to
circumvent INA 274A)
.
 
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She did not falsify anything. She said her case is simple except that she
answered Yes to that citizensjhip claim question because she told others
verbally she was a citizen on informal occation simply because she was
tired of people asking about her immigration status.

She must have a grene catd she obtained legally, otherwise why would she even file N400? (don't tell me anything can happen)

then ask her some questions. You seem not to bother asking her some questions. Criticizing her is not something that we should do in this forum. This forum is about asking for advices. I am sure there is something missing in her case such as how did she came here? I know she said that she is tired of people asking about her immigration status, but it is not helpful to support her claim. She probably needs advice from you or people in this forum to support her claim. If you have any questions for her, just ask her. How did she maintain her immigration status to live for a long time? probably she has a green card.
 
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How did she maintain her immigration status to live for a long time? probably she has a green card.
She has a green card. Otherwise she would not have had a naturalization interview.

And note that you are doing the same thing she is tired of; quizzing her on how she has lived in the US for so long without being a citizen.
 
Until a decision is made on a case, any evidence can influence the outcome of a case. The whole point in submitting the letter is to provide clarification of previous evidence in order to better explain under what circumstances the OP claimed US citizenship..similar to submitting RFE when a decision has yet to be made.


I agree. It can't hurt. In the meantime she would be advised to find a good trustworthy lawyer. I'll bet even most lawyers will not have much experience with this sort of case. But they should have enough knowledge to work it out.
 
And this is why I always urge
parents to watch out for their non-citizen children and try to get citizenship
for their sake.

This is the best advice I have read. This statement needs to be stickied right here on this site.

I cannot tell you many parents are clueless and they want to "go back" even before they have naturalized or taken care of their children's naturalization.
 
I don't want to "over-discuss" the issue. But in my opinion the OP's statement that she was a citizen had no purpose nor benefits. The whole purpose of the law to punish false claims to obtain employment or benefits under state law. The OP's sentence (not even a claim) was purposless and benefitless. I see no reason why USCIS would deny her application unless they do not read the explanation.



I agree, but the explanation she provided doesn't make sense and is open to interpretation in a hundred ways. Odd that she would go out of her way to disclose a claim of citizenship in a CASUAL conversation and then when asked to write a statement she writes a nearly unintelligible line that basically explains nothing.

We've all made mistakes under duress so I won't say anything more other than it is sad that such a simple mistake can hurt you so much. It really is getting to the point that in any legal matter - ANYTHING - you need to retain an attorney. That applies in anything as straightforward as it may seem. So many unfair things happen over an innocent mistake.
 
I agree, but the explanation she provided doesn't make sense and is open to interpretation in a hundred ways. Odd that she would go out of her way to disclose a claim of citizenship in a CASUAL conversation and then when asked to write a statement she writes a nearly unintelligible line that basically explains nothing.

I don't see it that way. The OP has been in the US most of her life and considers herself Amercian and disclosed herself as an American in a casual conversation as it was easier to just say that than to have to go into a lengthy discussion about her immigration status.
 
I don't see it that way. The OP has been in the US most of her life and considers herself Amercian and disclosed herself as an American in a casual conversation as it was easier to just say that than to have to go into a lengthy discussion about her immigration status.

I agree with what your saying and had she written that it is one thing, but this is what she wrote:

“The reason I said I was a US Citizen was because it was less complicated. It was verbally and not on paper.”

It's about the most open to interpretation, least clarifying thing anyone could have written.

It could easily be interpreted to mean she verbally claimed US citizenship for a job application. Once you claim US citizenship employers don't even have to ask you for proof, they just take you SS card and ID and give you the job. A verbal claim of US citizenship can be used for all sorts of benefits.

What she should have explained in the written statement is that it was ONLY in casual conversation between acquaintances. Even just to point out it was never for any official purpose.

As an aside, what kind of people ask in a casual conversation about your citizenship status? It's none of their business.

But what would possess someone to disclose something that NOBODY can verify through record check is frankly beyond me. They say the meek shall inherit the earth but it won't get you US citizenship. I can only hope the IO can see just how unbelievably honest this person is and just give her the naturalization. Sadly she may need to apply again and spend all that extra time and money.
 
As an aside, what kind of people ask in a casual conversation about your citizenship status? It's none of their business.
Happens to me sometimes too ... after "Which country are you from? " the next question they ask is sometimes "are you a citizen now?"

In my experience people stop after that last question.

But because the OP has lived in the US for more than 20 years, other questions continue ... "so why are you still not a citizen?"
 
It could easily be interpreted to mean she verbally claimed US citizenship for a job application.
But any verbal claim in that circumstance would lead to a paper trail.
Once you claim US citizenship employers don't even have to ask you for proof, they just take you SS card and ID and give you the job.
Your SS card is used to check your employment eligibility via e-verify program, regardless if you make a verbal claim of US citizenship.

A verbal claim of US citizenship can be used for all sorts of benefits.
Again, any verbal claim is followed up by something on paper.

What she should have explained in the written statement is that it was ONLY in casual conversation between acquaintances. Even just to point out it was never for any official purpose.
It could have been clearer, but perhaps she indicated to IO the details and IO wrote them down in case files.
As an aside, what kind of people ask in a casual conversation about your citizenship status? It's none of their business.
So if a friendly neighbor asked you out of pure interest what country you are from and how long you have been in US and if you ever became a US citizen you would tell them to mind their own business?
 
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