Yahoo: Legal Immigrants to US face GC logJam

[mariner555]

If you are a US citizen, you would be worried if highly talented Americans are leaving the country.

This was an issue in early 1990's in Canada. They called it the brain drain when accountants, doctors, etc. who were educated/born in Canada would leave to access opportunities in USA.

People don't get worried if foreigners are leaving. They get worried when natives start leaving.

> People don't get worried if foreigners are leaving.
not necessarily. In one of the TV Interviews with Charlie Rose, Bill Gates made a good point. This is what he said ..though not exact words "One of the greatest advantages USA has been that it has attracted the best people from around the world ..and because of broken immigration system ...USA is in danger of losing that advantage" ..In other words there are people who are worried (maybe for their own reasons) that the best talent may prefer not to come to US or may go back to their countries.

 

[hipka]

From my personal experience and people I have seen (i have worked with a lot of French, German, Australian etc), Americans are the MOST FAIR and LEAST RACIST of all. Any non-acceptance of immigrants is largely from ignorance than anything else.
Indians are probably the most stuck up and racist, followed by French and so on....
Immigration problem is problem created by lawyers and politicians and has no bearing on the character of the majority of the americans.

It shows how limited your personal experience is. Your comparision of how racist different countries are is also inappropriate. In many europeans countries and India, there is a lack of space so people have to live together. Obviously if you have a foreigner getting very close, you feel uncomfortable. In the US however, interaction is limited due to large space and preference for private transport(cars).
Immigration statistics also show that european countries have the largest number of immigrants by percentage. The same is true with regard to acceptance of foreign language and culture.Very few americans know more than one language but most europeans and indians do. Simply smiling and greeting does not mean that someone is accepting you.
Immigration policy was not created only by lawyers and politicians, business had a large role in it. Also in a democracy, which the US claims to be, laws are supposed to reflect the feelings of the majority of people. So if you say that the law does not reflect the character, then either US democracy is imperfect or your statement is incorrect.
So before making comparisions try to assess the reasons.

 

[marlon2006]

Well, if they settled here they are not natives If you meant children of immigrants, that does not apply because as far as I know there is no significant flow of American-Indians, American-Chinese children packing the bags and leaving America.

I agree with UN. The main recent factor that many of you are ignoring is that in general the American people have become less sympathetic to immigrants. That is a recent and sad event. I think that some smarter people like Bill Gates may have the vision to understand that skilled immigrants are valuable. For the average American, they are not all that worried on what happens to immigrants anymore and all our legal status have been diminished by the so called illegal alien movement and their supporters.

According to your logic, indians, chinese etc. who are settled here are not considered natives . Yet you say americans are not racist. So take one side: Either agree that USC's should be worried or say that USC's are racist.

 

[nyc8300]

2 cents!

I have seen a sea change in Indians and Chinese who would prefer to pursue opportunities/challenges in their own country rather than in other countries. Nothing to do with retrogession but I think the developing world has caught up both in terms of opportunities, life style etc.

If you are doing a day job the conditions in different parts of the world are less different now than before.

I do however think that letting students who get educated here to stay here will help extend the 'invite' to more qualified people to come to the US, invest in themselves and in part in the country itself.

How can anyone with a real straight face say that America is losing out to the best and brightest people.

There is no retrogression for ROW in eb2 and eb1. No retrogression in eb1. It is all in eb3 and even with that it has only been since January 2005.

Many of the people who come here on h-1b are very early in their careers. People who have established careers in their home country wouldn't take chance and do things from scratch. If they are brightest and best there is many, many avenues for people to come and stay here.

 

[alterego2]

They care, most of them hate immigrants. Some americans do not care but better prefer to sweep them out of the country.

Do you think there is no support for such congressmen like Tancredo ?
http://tancredo.house.gov/
http://tancredo.house.gov/irc/impacts.html

Look here this web site is even better, it shows real attitude of americans to H1B program.

http://www.zazona.com/

It is wrong impression they do not care.

Again they hate H1B and all green card people.



The only shortage in US is the shartage of Certified nurses. The job of Certified nurse requires Bachelor's degree, it is the nurse which can replace doctor sometime. Some people associate dirty medical job with nurses, that job is done in hospitals by nurse assisatants.

Nurse in hospital is privileged category, some hospitals fire doctors to hire nurses. Average salary of the Certified nurse is ~150K in any location of US.
http://www.salary.com

All I can say to you is you have a penchant for speaking out of your rear.

You clearly have no knowledge of the nursing profession in the USA. There is nothing such as a "certified nurse" here. There are APNs(advanced practice nurses) such as CRNAs, Nurse Practitioners, Nurse Midwives etc, then there are RNs or Registered nurses and then there are LPNs or Licenced practical nurses. The so called "nurse asistants" you refer to are called MAs or Medical assistants.

APNs unequivocally have baccaularate degrees and usually 2 yrs post graduate training. They are most certainly eligible for H1b visas and perhaps even for EB2 sponsorship, however most are already americans. RNs also have bachelors qualifications but not all are the standard 4 yrs, some community colleges have programs also. LPNs are stictly community college based programs and are 2 yrs. Medical assistants do courses south of 1 yr.

Your salaries are way off base. APNs vary but none exceed 120-130K and that is the CRNA(certified nurse anesthetists) more usually they are at 70-90K. RNs are in the 50-70K range. LPNs at 30-50K and MAs south of that.

Since you are qualified to judge that a nurses can relpace doctors, why don't you just apply for EB1 as a hospital CEO. What's up with your pent up anger with doctors, I wish you well getting the care you want next time you are unwell from your nearest certified nurse.

Pointing to immigration restrictionist and such websites does not prove anything certainly not that that represents the view of all americans.

 

[sfmars]

All I can say to you is you have a penchant for speaking out of your rear.

You clearly have no knowledge of the nursing profession in the USA. There is nothing such as a "certified nurse" here. There are APNs(advanced practice nurses) such as CRNAs, Nurse Practitioners, Nurse Midwives etc, then there are RNs or Registered nurses and then there are LPNs or Licenced practical nurses. The so called "nurse asistants" you refer to are called MAs or Medical assistants.

APNs unequivocally have baccaularate degrees and usually 2 yrs post graduate training. They are most certainly eligible for H1b visas and perhaps even for EB2 sponsorship, however most are already americans. RNs also have bachelors qualifications but not all are the standard 4 yrs, some community colleges have programs also. LPNs are stictly community college based programs and are 2 yrs. Medical assistants do courses south of 1 yr.

Your salaries are way off base. APNs vary but none exceed 120-130K and that is the CRNA(certified nurse anesthetists) more usually they are at 70-90K. RNs are in the 50-70K range. LPNs at 30-50K and MAs south of that.

Since you are qualified to judge that a nurses can relpace doctors, why don't you just apply for EB1 as a hospital CEO. What's up with your pent up anger with doctors, I wish you well getting the care you want next time you are unwell from your nearest certified nurse.

Pointing to immigration restrictionist and such websites does not prove anything certainly not that that represents the view of all americans.

Very good. Could you leave me alone now ?

 

[envision]

Everyone's input is valuable here, can we discuss the issues without attacking each other personally?

 

[docboston]

Everyone's input is valuable here, can we discuss the issues without attacking each other personally?

Attacking others and acting as if they are dumb, makes us feel superior ) Pretty unique India subcontinent trait. I believe its due to a genetic mutation we inherited from some old ancestor

 

[marlon2006]

DocBoston, how are you doing ? What do you think about the article posted here at the beginning of this thread ?

Attacking others and acting as if they are dumb, makes us feel superior ) Pretty unique India subcontinent trait. I believe its due to a genetic mutation we inherited from some old ancestor

 

[LC_Ki_Kahaani]

What about my taxes?

Do you expect legislators to act because *temporary* workers are not happy with available options? The guy came here as a *temporary* worker, spent nine years trying to become a permanent resident, failed for whatever reason and he does not like the country anymore.

If that is the best argument the GC-hopefuls can come up with this country definitely will not lose anything valuable by not grating permanent residency.

Why are they then charging the *temp* workers the so called "TAXES".. Shouldn't the GOVT refund the taxes (medicare & SS) if the *TEMPS* leave this place?

Greed!

 

[where_is_my_gc]

I agree with UN. The main recent factor that many of you are ignoring is that in general the American people have become less sympathetic to immigrants. That is a recent and sad event. I think that some smarter people like Bill Gates may have the vision to understand that skilled immigrants are valuable. For the average American, they are not all that worried on what happens to immigrants anymore and all our legal status have been diminished by the so called illegal alien movement and their supporters.

Well it was always the case. right? I am quite sure that the average american never asked for H1 visas to be given to outsiders. Its the businesses and their influences on parties that possibly drive legal immigration lane.

 

[indian_gc_ocean]

I'm just curious; this seems to really bug a lot of people that they have to pay mediare and social security.

I see this as a frequent point.

I'm just curious; should every person in America be refunded for the sales tax they pay, federal tax, state tax, property tax and every tax imagineable for services they don't use?

UN,
I think the responses were limited to alex's bit sarcastic temporary worker comment. We know that no job is permanent, social security is lawful contribution etc...,
Before we can discuss further I have one question, do you agree in calling a H1B temporary worker after he works in a company for 6-7 years?

 

[perm08]

They should refund every penny to us

UN,
I think the responses were limited to alex's bit sarcastic temporary worker comment. We know that no job is permanent, social security is lawful contribution etc...,
Before we can discuss further I have one question, do you agree in calling a H1B temporary worker after he works in a company for 6-7 years?

 

[belacut]

IF you were a US citizen, you would be worried why highly talented people are thinking of leaving the country. Not liking immigrants may be fine but losing talent is not. So obviously you are not a USC.

First, I agree with you. (totally).
But there is also something called "Job Security". They are afarid of "us" doing/taking their jobs.

They don't understand, based on the # 1 rule in economics, you can only secure your job by outperform your competitors. (not keeping your competitors away)

 

[belacut]

I'm just curious; this seems to really bug a lot of people that they have to pay mediare and social security.

I see this as a frequent point.

I'm just curious; should every person in America be refunded for the sales tax they pay, federal tax, state tax, property tax and every tax imagineable for services they don't use?

No... becaz even you didn't really use it but you are still enjoying it while you are here. (the concept just like life policy)

However, SS TAX is different, it is the benefits that suppose to pay you back if you are old enough which means years away. No offense, but are you sure you will eventually get those benefits when you become a p. resident? (Touch wood, but what about you didn't get the GC before that day?)

 

[tusharvk]

well, be careful there. These same rules can come to haunt you when you get US citizenship

First, I agree with you. (totally).
But there is also something called "Job Security". They are afarid of "us" doing/taking their jobs.

They don't understand, based on the # 1 rule in economics, you can only secure your job by outperform your competitors. (not keeping your competitors away)

 

[tusharvk]

The best way is for US & your home country government to work together and have some kind of reciprocal arrangement that would guarantee that you get the payment no matter what your immigration status is when you do retire.
If you choose to naturalize before retirement, then you will get the benefits (albeit at a reduced rate because of the projected deficits).

No... becaz even you didn't really use it but you are still enjoying it while you are here. (the concept just like life policy)

However, SS TAX is different, it is the benefits that suppose to pay you back if you are old enough which means years away. No offense, but are you sure you will eventually get those benefits when you become a p. resident? (Touch wood, but what about you didn't get the GC before that day?)

 

[indian_gc_ocean]

UN,
In places like bay area, there are number of people on h1 for more than 5 years and still working for the same company. Numbers of my friends are frequently asked to go to India and work from there after their six years. In some cases, they were compelled by the management saying that a move to India is good for their kid’s education and parent’s health …. Why should the management do this? Nowadays, if a person of Indian origin is willing to work for the same company in India, he is treated as a celebrity. In my opinion, all this is not correct.

Anyway, I just asked you to see whether you are finding anything wrong with the original post from alexxxx that many of us have replied.

 

[thera33]

Fools like you

Almost everyone taking part in this discussion has at least a Bachelors degree and it is very hard to beleive some of the behaviour from you guys. You are all behaving like pigs ,and most of you don't deserve even the plastic that the greencard is made with because of your behavior.

They should let you all go back home after our temporary visas is up.

Some of you people behavior is stink, rotten and it says alot about you. Shame on you all, disgracing each other and almost everyone is facing the same problem. If your opinion differs you can all talk it out in some grown up manner, more than acting like some spoled child.

Curse all you want, but I dont care, cause you cant beat me..

All I can say to you is you have a penchant for speaking out of your rear.

You clearly have no knowledge of the nursing profession in the USA. There is nothing such as a "certified nurse" here. There are APNs(advanced practice nurses) such as CRNAs, Nurse Practitioners, Nurse Midwives etc, then there are RNs or Registered nurses and then there are LPNs or Licenced practical nurses. The so called "nurse asistants" you refer to are called MAs or Medical assistants.

APNs unequivocally have baccaularate degrees and usually 2 yrs post graduate training. They are most certainly eligible for H1b visas and perhaps even for EB2 sponsorship, however most are already americans. RNs also have bachelors qualifications but not all are the standard 4 yrs, some community colleges have programs also. LPNs are stictly community college based programs and are 2 yrs. Medical assistants do courses south of 1 yr.

Your salaries are way off base. APNs vary but none exceed 120-130K and that is the CRNA(certified nurse anesthetists) more usually they are at 70-90K. RNs are in the 50-70K range. LPNs at 30-50K and MAs south of that.

Since you are qualified to judge that a nurses can relpace doctors, why don't you just apply for EB1 as a hospital CEO. What's up with your pent up anger with doctors, I wish you well getting the care you want next time you are unwell from your nearest certified nurse.

Pointing to immigration restrictionist and such websites does not prove anything certainly not that that represents the view of all americans.

 

[indian_gc_ocean]

Overall, I find this thread to be a good discussion deviating from the usual visa bulletin predictions threads. The article rightly highlights H1s plight and this should be circulated in front of consulates in Indian cities. We should thank Yahoo news agency for coming up this great article.