When does Judicial commitee proposal becomes bill?

It seems Health care cuts and student aid cuts are major issues to settle down to pass this bill in the floor of House


Three newspapers recently published editorials addressing health care provisions in the House budget reconciliation package. Summaries appear below.

* Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Congress cannot "tell the public one week that a booming deficit is forcing it to cut" funds for Medicaid and other programs and "then turn around the next week and award the wealthiest Americans" a $70 billion tax cut, a Journal-Constitution editorial states. According to the editorial, "Americans may not be paying rapt attention to the budget debate, but they'd have to be in a deep coma to miss the hypocrisy in this transparent ploy" (Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 11/10).

* Boston Globe: "Some provisions" of the House budget reconciliation bill "are worthwhile," including a proposed change to Medicaid that would "discourage affluent families from hiding assets before one of their members enters a nursing home," a Globe editorial states. However, "the bill should be defeated" because many of the proposals "are nibbling away" at Medicaid and other programs, according to the editorial (Boston Globe, 11/9).

* Philadelphia Inquirer: The House plan would allow states to "severely curtail publicly-subsidized health services" for children and "would require premiums and copays" under Medicaid for children, an Inquirer editorial states. The editorial concludes that the Republicans' "budget plan makes choices that are morally wrong" (Philadelphia Inquirer, 11/9).


Students Urge Congress to Vote 'No' on Loan Bill

November 10, 2005 9:31 a.m. EST

Ayinde O. Chase - All Headline News Staff Writer

Washington D.C. (AHN) - Student advocates urged members of Congress to vote 'no' on the House of Representatives' budget reconciliation bill on Thursday. The letter notes that reconciliation would cut $14.3 billion from student loan programs by increasing interest rates on consolidation loans and raising fees for millions of middle- and lower-income college borrowers and their parents.
 
C-span update

As per C span Congress still working on HR4241 off the floor in closed session and the bill may come on floor again next week !!
 
EB RETROGRESSION SOLUTION IS IN GARBAGE NOW.

House Republican leaders canceled a planned vote Thursday on a $51 billion budget-cut package in the face of a revolt over cuts to Medicaid, food stamps and student loans.




GOD_BLESS_YOU said:
As per C span Congress still working on HR4241 off the floor in closed session and the bill may come on floor again next week !!
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A lot of other issues to be settle down for this bill !!

U.S. Rep. Joe Schwarz, R-Battle Creek, said the concern over the food stamp program is understandable, but people may not fully know what is happening in Congress.

"The budget reconciliation process is very arcane, and we haven't had a reconciliation in the House for 10 years because not everyone can agree on things," he said, referring to the legislative package that includes the food stamp funding cut. "There's some real question of whether it will ever come up for a vote because the numbers aren't there to pass it."

Schwarz, a member of the House Agriculture Committee which has control of the food stamp program, said there is much negotiation yet to be done.

"Bottom line, everything is still up in the air," he said. "The way it looks now and with what happened (Thursday) it's going to be another month until this is decided, and it could be longer."


http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051114/NEWS01/511140315/1002
 
H.R. 4241 Prospect for the House Passage Next Week Uncertain

The report indicates that the House Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 is swirled in a very complicated political climate within the House GOP making the fate of this legislative bill uncertain at this moment. Accordingly, the prospect for passage of this bill on the House floor next week is uncertain as well. As we reported earlier, the fate of the Senate immigration package in the S.1932 is currently clinging on the passage of the House bill, and immigrant community is experiencing emotional roller-coaster and frustration.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051112/ap_on_go_co/gop_struggles_2
 
House need free money from EB got that!!!!

GOD_BLESS_YOU said:
H.R. 4241 Prospect for the House Passage Next Week Uncertain

The report indicates that the House Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 is swirled in a very complicated political climate within the House GOP making the fate of this legislative bill uncertain at this moment. Accordingly, the prospect for passage of this bill on the House floor next week is uncertain as well. As we reported earlier, the fate of the Senate immigration package in the S.1932 is currently clinging on the passage of the House bill, and immigrant community is experiencing emotional roller-coaster and frustration.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051112/ap_on_go_co/gop_struggles_2
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Immigration Recapture Bill in Impasse Over Budget Reduction Battle in the House

Senator Arlen Specter, the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, proposed this immigration bill as part of the Budget Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 2005 and it appears that the strategy worked in the Senate. However, the House leaders are battling with the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 even without the immigration recapture provisions as revealed by its cancellation of vote yesterday. The House GOP leaders are considering to try a vote again when it comes back from the Veterans Day (today) holiday weekend. The Senate S. 1932 is at this time trapped in the House internal struggle. At this time, no member of the House has come forward to introduce an amendment to add the Senate immigration packet to the House bill on the floor. In fact, it is not clear whether such amendment strategy will work better than the strategy to handle the S. 1932 immigration bill rather at the conference level. At this point, quick vote of the House budget bill with or without immigration packet is the top priority from the perspectives of the immigration community. Please read the New York Times report on yesterday's struggle in the House.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/11/politics/11cong.html
 
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hi guys,

Just a thought here. We wrote to the Senators and saw positive results. We are now writing to house members.

Can't we start writing/faxing our letter DIRECTLY to the President's office?

I mean think abt it, if there are ppl in the Senator's office who are responsive to our pleas, wont there be someone at the President's office too, who will be either equally or even MORE responsive?

We have pleaded with the leaders, now lets plead with THE leader.
 
That's a good thought, but first of all it has to pass from House right???
even if President has some interest, first of all it has to pass from both senate and house, we got pass from senate , but from house also we have to get pass..

any thoughts??
nozdam said:
hi guys,

Just a thought here. We wrote to the Senators and saw positive results. We are now writing to house members.

Can't we start writing/faxing our letter DIRECTLY to the President's office?

I mean think abt it, if there are ppl in the Senator's office who are responsive to our pleas, wont there be someone at the President's office too, who will be either equally or even MORE responsive?

We have pleaded with the leaders, now lets plead with THE leader.
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is that really needed though? maybe He can atleast discuss with his team and his office knows the problem
 
nozdam said:
hi guys,

Just a thought here. We wrote to the Senators and saw positive results. We are now writing to house members.

Can't we start writing/faxing our letter DIRECTLY to the President's office?

I mean think abt it, if there are ppl in the Senator's office who are responsive to our pleas, wont there be someone at the President's office too, who will be either equally or even MORE responsive?

We have pleaded with the leaders, now lets plead with THE leader.
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yes why not !!

Update one of the letters we send to congressman
and fax/email to THE PRESIDENT
here is contact details

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
 
the point of this letter

The point of writing to the president's office is that forget the senate bill and house bill, coz they are much bigger bills. Immigration reforms are only PART of that bill. Writing to the MAIN office, may open a few eyes to this specific problem.
 
Republican Party -- Politricks!!

The Republican Party does not know how to save the budget bill that it cannot afford to lose. A weakened President Bush, off to Asia Tuesday, will not be around for one-on-one lobbying. A way out is to pass a budget with neither ANWR nor budget cuts and approve a tax bill without investment tax cuts. The Grand Old Party's mission, apart from a vigorous foreign policy, then would be legislation fitting the special needs of its top business contributors -- a role the moderates could accept.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/14/novak.gop/index.html
 
H.R. 4241 -- in House schedule in this week

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2005 AND THE BALANCE OF THE WEEK
On Wednesday and Thursday, the House will meet at 10:00 a.m. for legislative business.

On Friday, the House will meet at 9:00 a.m. for legislative business.

Suspensions (8 bills):

1) H.Con.Res. 268 - Expressing the sense of the Congress regarding oversight of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Sponsored by Rep. Doolittle / Energy and Commerce Committee)

2) H.R. 3889 - Methamphetamine Epidemic Elimination Act (Sponsored by Rep. Souder / Energy and Commerce)

3) H.Res. 500 - Recognizing the 60th anniversary of the disappearance of the 5 naval Avenger torpedo bombers of Flight 19 and the naval Mariner rescue aircraft sent to search for Flight 19 (Sponsored by Rep. Shaw / Armed Services Committee)

4) H.R. 3647 - To render nationals of Denmark eligible to enter the United States as nonimmigrant traders and investors (Sponsored by Rep. Sensenbrenner / Judiciary Committee)

5) H.R. 1036 - To amend title 17, United States Code, to make technical corrections relating to copyright royalty judges (Rep. Smith (TX) / Judiciary Committee)

6) H.R. 866 - To make technical corrections to the United States Code (Sponsored by Rep. Sensenbrenner / Judiciary Committee)

7) H.R. 1442 - To complete the codification of title 46, United States Code, "Shipping", as positive law (Sponsored by Rep. Sensenbrenner / Judiciary Committee)

8) H.Res. 547 - Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit deplorably infringed on parental rights in Fields v. Palmdale School District (Sponsored by Rep. Murphy / Judiciary Committee)

H.R. 1065 - United States Boxing Commission Act (Subject to a Rule) (Sponsored by Rep. Stearns / Energy and Commerce Committee)

H.R. 4241 - Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 (Subject to a Rule) (Sponsored by Rep. Nussle / Budget Committee)

Possible Motions to go to Conference

Possible Motions to Instruct Conferees

Members are advised that Conference Reports may be brought up at any time

Members are advised that a Saturday session is possible this week

http://www.majoritywhip.gov/whipnotice.asp
 
HR 4241 includes provisions for L1 visa fees increase only. When will they discuss about S 1932 (retrogression issues) ?
 
md17 said:
HR 4241 includes provisions for L1 visa fees increase only. When will they discuss about S 1932 (retrogression issues) ?
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S 1932 is senate version of budget reconcilation and already approved in senate where as HR 4241 is House version of the budget reconcilation
once it's approved in House, conference commitee will resolve the differences between both bills and consolidated bill will be sent to president.,

Please go through previous posts in this thread to understand the legislative process..
 
Thursday Evening or Friday

It seems Debate on HR 4241 may start on late Thursday or Friday as per this schedule

17 November 2005 (10:00 AM) - HOUSE FLOOR DEBATE: The House will meets for legislative business. Suspensions (8 bills): 1) H.Con.Res. 268 - Expressing the sense of the Congress regarding oversight of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Sponsored by Rep. Doolittle / Energy and Commerce Committee); 2) H.R. 3889 - Methamphetamine Epidemic Elimination Act (Sponsored by Rep. Souder / Energy and Commerce); 3) H.Res. 500 - Recognizing the 60th anniversary of the disappearance of the 5 naval Avenger torpedo bombers of Flight 19 and the naval Mariner rescue aircraft sent to search for Flight 19 (Sponsored by Rep. Shaw / Armed Services Committee); 4) H.R. 3647 - To render nationals of Denmark eligible to enter the United States as nonimmigrant traders and investors (Sponsored by Rep. Sensenbrenner / Judiciary Committee); 5) H.R. 1036 - To amend title 17, United States Code, to make technical corrections relating to copyright royalty judges (Rep. Smith (TX) / Judiciary Committee); 6) H.R. 866 - To make technical corrections to the United States Code (Sponsored by Rep. Sensenbrenner / Judiciary Committee); 7) H.R. 1442 - To complete the codification of title 46, United States Code, "Shipping", as positive law (Sponsored by Rep. Sensenbrenner / Judiciary Committee); 8) H.Res. 547 - Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit deplorably infringed on parental rights in Fields v. Palmdale School District (Sponsored by Rep. Murphy / Judiciary Committee) // H.R. 1065 - United States Boxing Commission Act (Subject to a Rule) (Sponsored by Rep. Stearns / Energy and Commerce Committee) // H.R. 4241 - Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 (Subject to a Rule) (Sponsored by Rep. Nussle / Budget Committee)

http://www.fednet.net/schedule/
 
If HR 4241 is House version of the budget reconcilation which does not have retrogression issue listed then this means House does not want retrogression to be included in in the bill. I am afraid to say in that case it is very difficult to pass and gain majority in the committee.
 
The budget bill could stumble to the floor as early as today, with Republican leaders in the House considering 11th-hour changes last night. They could also postpone a vote until this weekend.

Meanwhile, rhetoric on the bill has escalated as conservatives and centrists battle over the merits of it.

Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee (RSC), told members in the closed-door conference meeting yesterday that anyone voting against reconciliation had turned his or her back on the so-called Reagan Revolution, according to a GOP aide in attendance.

Centrists continue to object to the cuts in social programs after successfully rallying against provisions on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).

House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), Majority Leader Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) and the rest of their leadership structure have spent much of the fall listening to member concerns and weighing the critical decisions about the contents of the bill.

“He’s been working day and night,” Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Ill.) said about the efforts of the Speaker. “He’s the gold standard with our members.”

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/111705/budget.html
 
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