When does Judicial commitee proposal becomes bill?

Capitol Hill Watch | Congress To Debate FY 2006 Budget Reconciliation Packages, Including Medicare, Medicaid Cuts
[Oct 31, 2005]
The Senate on Monday will begin 20 hours of debate on a fiscal year 2006 budget reconciliation package (S 1932) that would make $39.1 billion in cuts over five years to mandatory programs, CQ Today reports (Dennis, CQ Today, 10/28). The package, which was approved Wednesday by the Senate Budget Committee, includes about $10 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid approved last week by the Senate Finance Committee (Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report, 10/27). After the debate period, which likely will run through Wednesday, lawmakers will vote on amendments, with a final vote expected Thursday or Friday. Meanwhile, authorizing committees in the House have completed work on their fiscal year 2006 budget reconciliation packages, which total about $50 billion in net savings (CQ Today, 10/28). The House proposals include a package approved Thursday by the House Energy and Commerce Committee that would cut Medicaid spending by about $9.5 billion over five years (Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report, 10/28). The House Budget Committee will consolidate the packages into a single bill this week, with a floor vote expected next week. It is unclear whether House leadership will allow amendments on the floor or if they will only permit an up-or-down vote, CQ Today reports. Under House rules, the Rules Committee could draft a self-executing rule allowing it to change provisions in the package, "either to circumvent a committee action disliked by leadership or to delete actions that could endanger passage on the floor," CQ Today reports (CQ Today, 10/28).

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=33414
 
 
More Nos than Yes -- Amendement Failed

I am listening and typing ignore my typos and missings any

Affirmative(Yes)--dorwin,Bryd,landruue,Nelson(nebraska),Dorgan,Rockfellar,Peter,Kaka,Doug,Mr hanhok,

14

Negative(NO)--burns,burmback,hagel,grassley,jhonson,coal,mrs lincoln,steven,Lack,Kennedy,Kraig,burns,viagning,dimidishi,coleman,Thomsas,Prist,Santhoram,Greg,chethy,Pryar,Salazar,Carry,,Nelson(floriada),Koburn,Larenbug,Mrs Clinton,Mr Shummer,

85



YEAs ---14
Akaka (D-HI)
Byrd (D-WV)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Vitter (R-LA)


NAYs ---85
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
 
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Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 2005 passed in senate

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (S. 1932 As Amended )
Vote Number: 303 Vote Date: November 3, 2005, 05:51 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: S. 1932 (Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 2005 )
Measure Title: An original bill to provide for reconciliation pursuant to section 202(a) of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2006 (H. Con. Res. 95).


Vote Counts: YEAs 52
NAYs 47
Not Voting 1

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00303

Voting on House Version of Budget Reconcilation is due next week ..
 
Resolving House-Senate Differences on Reconciliation Measures

Resolving House-Senate Differences on Reconciliation Measures

Under the usual practice, the House and Senate initially consider and pass their
own reconciliation measures. In addition, reconciliation measures are complex, and
in many instances, quite lengthy legislation. Accordingly, these factors effectively
guarantee that the House and Senate bills will be different. The two chambers must,
however, as with all legislation, agree to the same reconciliation measure in the exact
same form before it can be sent to the President.
As with other complex legislation, the House and Senate typically use a
conference as the means of developing an agreement on reconciliation legislation.
In the case of all but one of the 19 reconciliation measures ultimately submitted by
Congress to the President, the House and Senate convened a conference on the
measure and a conference report was issued. In the one instance in which a
conference was not used, the two chambers passed identical legislation and there
were no differences to resolve. (In response to reconciliation directives in the
FY1984 budget resolution, the Senate passed a House-passed reconciliation bill
without amendment, clearing it for the President.)
The pattern with regard to conference procedure on reconciliation measures has
been for the Senate to consider one or two Senate bills initially, then to take up and
amend the House-passed bill in order to proceed to conference.

The House and Senate also may use an amendment exchange instead of a
conference in order to resolve differences regarding legislation, or as a fallback
procedure when conference agreements are not completed successfully. In the case
of reconciliation legislation, amendment exchanges are seldom used.

Initial Motions and Appointment of Conferees
In order to proceed to conference, the second chamber to act insists on its
amendment, thereby expressing its disagreement with the recommendations of the
first chamber. Then, the second chamber requests a conference with the first
chamber in order to resolve the disagreement. In the case of reconciliation
legislation, the Senate has always been the “second” chamber to act, with respect to
setting up a conference.After a conference has been requested and agreed to, each chamber appoints
conferees. Upon the appointment of conferees by both chambers, the conference
committee may then convene to carry out its work. In the Senate, these steps usually
are merged together into a single unanimous consent request; in the House, conferees
are not necessarily appointed at the time that the other actions occur.83
In instances where there is unusual controversy or complications in entering into
a conference, each of the three required steps may entail a separate motion (and vote).
The House, in a few cases, used special rules reported by the House Rules Committee
to go to conference.
In the House, it is the prerogative of the Speaker to appoint conferees, while in
the Senate, the usual practice is for the full Senate by unanimous consent to authorize
the Presiding Office to appoint them.
Conferees can be appointed to consider the entire matter in conference or only
for limited-purposes. “General conferees” negotiate over the entire bill and any
amendments, and “limited-purpose” conferees negotiate only on a portion of the
matter in conference designated at the time of appointment.
Both types of conferees are appointed on omnibus reconciliation measures.
Members of the House and Senate Budget Committee are appointed as general
conferees (and the chairman and ranking member serve as floor managers of the
conference report). Members of the committees that submitted reconciliation
recommendations make up the rest of the conference committee. The conferees from
the legislative committees have the responsibility of resolving differences in the
legislative language within their committee’s jurisdiction, while the conferees from
the Budget Committees work to facilitate the conference actions generally and
promote a timely resolution of policy disagreements. From time to time, when a
Member must drop out of conference proceedings, a replacement may be appointed
When a conference committee deals with a reconciliation measure that was
reported to each chamber by a single committee, the conferees usually are chosen
from the legislative committee’s membership.
Sometimes matter within the jurisdiction of a committee in one chamber that did
not receive a reconciliation instruction may be before the conferees because of the
action of the other body. Therefore, a chamber may include conferees from more
committees than were instructed in the budget resolution.

Procedures relating to the conduct of conferences between the House and Senate
on legislation are relatively informal, and conferees are granted considerable latitude
in resolving the chambers’ differences. The chairmanship of the conference
committee is determined by the conferees, who usually select the chairman of the
Budget Committee, in the case of omnibus reconciliation bills, or the chairman of the
House Ways and Means Committee or the Senate Finance Committee, when those
committees were instructed to report separate reconciliation legislation. By tradition,
the chairmanship of the conference alternates between the House and Senate.
When the conferees reach agreement with respect to their disagreements on a
reconciliation measure, they submit a conference report explaining the agreement.
The report consists of two separate items: (1) the conference report, which explains
the actions proposed by the conferees to resolve the disagreements between the two
bodies, including the recommended legislative text; and (2) the accompanying “joint
explanatory statement,” also referred to as the “managers’ statement,” which explains
the actions of the conferees with regard to the particular policy issues that they
addressed, often in great detail.
The conference report reflects the agreement of a majority of the conferees of
the House and a majority of the conferees from the Senate. Each of the conferees
that supports the conference report signs a signature sheet for both the conference
report and the joint explanatory statement. Any conferee who does not support the
agreement is not required to sign the signature sheets, and usually does not do so.
For a conference report to be valid in the House, a majority of the Members
from each chamber who were appointed to negotiate each provision must sign the
report; limited-purpose House conferees sign only for the portion of the agreement
they were given authority to negotiate. For a conference report to be valid in the
Senate, a majority of all House conferees and a majority of all Senate conferees must
sign the report, regardless of whether or not any of the conferees were appointed for
limited purposes.
Conference reports are privileged matters in both the House and Senate and may
be called up for consideration as a priority matter. Motions to proceed to the
consideration of a conference report are not debatable. In the House, conference
reports typically are considered for one hour, but in the Senate conference reports
may be debated for up to10 hours.
The House usually considers conference reports on major legislation under the
terms of a special rule. In recent years, the special rule has provided a “blanket”
waiver of all points of order against the conference report and, in some instances,
more than the typical hour of debate time.
In the Senate, the consideration of a conference report on a reconciliation
measure may differ markedly from the consideration of conference reports on other
types of measures in one key respect. The Byrd rule, which applies only to
reconciliation measures, allows for extraneous matter to be stricken from a
conference report pursuant to the successful raising of a point of order. Typically,
when a point of order is successfully raised against a conference report in the Senate,
the conference report is defeated.
The Senate sometimes will use unanimous consent agreements to customize
procedures during the consideration of a conference report, and agreements reached
during initial consideration of a reconciliation measure often are made applicable to
the consideration of the conference report as well.
One chamber may recommit the conference report to the existing conference
committee if the other chamber has not yet acted on the report.

Once a chamber acts on the conference report, the conference committee
formally is dissolved and cannot resume consideration of the measure. If either
chamber disagrees to a conference report, “the matter is left in the position it was in
before the conference was asked but in the stage of disagreement.” At this point,
the chambers may dispose of the matter in disagreement by motion, or send it to a
further conference. In the case of reconciliation legislation, a further conference
never has been convened.

Reconciliation measures follow the same legislative path to enactment as other
legislation. After a bill is submitted to him, the President has 10 days (excluding
Sundays) in which to approve or disapprove it. If the President signs or does not sign
the bill during the 10-day period, it becomes law; however, if Congress adjourns sine
die during the 10-day period, thereby preventing the bill’s return, it is disapproved
by “pocket veto.” If the President vetoes the bill during the 10-day period, it is
returned to the chamber in which it originated (as a “return veto”), along with a
message explaining the President’s objections. The House and Senate then have an
opportunity to override the President’s veto, thus enacting the measure into law.
 
Hi God Bless You,

Thanks for the detailed explanation of the house and senate procedures.

What would your interpretation/expectation be regarding the final bill? You seem to be well aware of the rules, hence the question.

Raydhan
 
RAYDHAN said:
Hi God Bless You,

Thanks for the detailed explanation of the house and senate procedures.

What would your interpretation/expectation be regarding the final bill? You seem to be well aware of the rules, hence the question.

Raydhan
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I am not a Legal expert to interpret.,
I took these exceprts -- which I feel relavant to us , from the pdf document from CRS Report for Congress on The Budget Reconciliation Process:House and Senate Procedures which you can find page 1 of this thread .,
Please go through the page 88 onwards., there are explanations about what happened with previous disputes between House and senate..

Right now House Bill does not have these Immigration provisions in its Budget reconciliation bill except L1 fee increase provision.,So we need to check the shape of Final Combined bill will be before it sent to President !!
 
Right now House Bill does not have these Immigration provisions in its Budget reconciliation bill except L1 fee increase provision.,So we need to check the shape of Final Combined bill will be before it sent to President !!

GOD_BLESS_YOU: do you mean that house bill is something which accumulates.....and then it is presented to the president.

someone please clarify....scary interpretation of above is that somehow immigration issues got removed from all current bills??
 
techy2468 said:
Right now House Bill does not have these Immigration provisions in its Budget reconciliation bill except L1 fee increase provision.,So we need to check the shape of Final Combined bill will be before it sent to President !!

GOD_BLESS_YOU: do you mean that house bill is something which accumulates.....and then it is presented to the president.

someone please clarify....scary interpretation of above is that somehow immigration issues got removed from all current bills??
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To make Things Clear ..Please Note that I am not a legal expert and the following is only my understanding from the resources mentioned..

Here is the link to House version of Budget Reconcilation bill passed by House Budget Commitee On Thurday

http://www.house.gov/budget/reconlegtext110105.pdf

Full House will discuss on this bill next week and will work on some amedments as done in senate in this week and a final version of House Budget reconcilition bill will be passed .

There will be consolidated Bill based on two bills passed from Senate and House

The disputes between two bills will be resolved as per this ..CRS Report for Congress on The Budget Reconciliation Process:House and Senate Procedures which you can find page 1 of this thread .,
Please go through the page 88 onwards., there are explanations about what happened with previous disputes between House and senate..

Right now House judicial commitee recommended only the following Provisions related to L1 Fees:
From the page 491 of above House bill

Subtitle A—Visa Fees 1
SEC. 5101. FEES WITH RESPECT TO IMMIGRATION SERV- 2
ICES FOR INTRACOMPANY TRANSFEREES. 3
Section 214(c) of the Immigration and Nationality 4
Act (8 U.S.C. 1184(c)) is amended by adding at the end 5
the following: 6
‘‘(15)(A) The Secretary of State shall impose a fee 7
on an employer when an alien files an application abroad 8
for a visa authorizing initial admission to the United 9
States as a nonimmigrant described in section 10
101(a)(15)(L) in order to be employed by the employer, 11
if the alien is covered under a blanket petition described 12
in paragraph (2)(A). 13
‘‘(B) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall im- 14
pose a fee on an employer filing a petition under para- 15
graph (1) initially to grant an alien nonimmigrant status 16
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described in section 101(a)(15)(L) or to extend for the 1
first time the stay of an alien having such status. 2
‘‘(C) The amount of the fee imposed under subpara- 3
graph (A) or (B) shall be $1,500. 4
‘‘(D) The fees imposed under subparagraphs (A) and 5
(B) shall only apply to principal aliens and not to spouses 6
or children who are accompanying or following to join such 7
principal aliens. 8
‘‘(E) Fees collected under this paragraph shall be de- 9
posited as offsetting receipts in the Treasury, and shall 10
not be available for expenditure until appropriated. 11
‘‘(F)(i) An employer may not require an alien who 12
is the beneficiary of the visa or petition for which a fee 13
is imposed under this paragraph to reimburse, or other- 14
wise compensate, the employer for part or all of the cost 15
of such fee. 16
‘‘(ii) Section 274A(g)(2) shall apply to a violation of 17
clause (i) in the same manner as it applies to a violation 18
of section 274A(g)(1).’’.

The Immigrations Provisions of Senate Judicial Commitee are passed by senate via bill S1932(attachment in page 1 of this thread) yesterday

Right now there are no parallel provisions in House Bill -- This is what I am mentioning in my previous post.,

Check this page for a nice summary about The Reconciliation Process:
How It Works
http://www.house.gov/budget/reconhow110105.htm

Once the House and Senate pass reconciliation bills, a conference committee is convened, and reports the final version of the bill. Each chamber must then pass the bill, which – unlike the budget resolution – is sent to the President for his signature.

Hope this helps to clear things.. If you need more explanations Please go through the resouces i mentioned..
 
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