What is wrong with Canada

shamshon said:
Tthey refuse to do it for an American soldier who refused to participate in the immoral racist illegal war against the Iraqi people.

I don't see any benefit to Canada becoming a safe haven for individuals who sign up for the military for university tuition and then <gasp> discover they might actually have to go off and fight in a war they don't personally support. Armies, surprisingly enough, do that from time to time.

He had issues with Afghanistan, too.
 
TheRealCanadian said:
I don't see any benefit to Canada becoming a safe haven for individuals who sign up for the military for university tuition and then <gasp> discover they might actually have to go off and fight in a war they don't personally support. Armies, surprisingly enough, do that from time to time.

He had issues with Afghanistan, too.
Many of them came from very poor backgrounds and did not have the same privileges of those who sent them to kill and be killed. I just feel that they have been exploited in their young age (most of them are recruited when they are 17) and were seduced by the allure of the military. However, i agree that the war in Afghanistan was the best thing that ever happened- at least considering the progress that has happened for women there. If he was complaining about Afghanistan, I would agre that he does not deserve it. I also find it ridiculous that they would give refugees to terrorists and not to this poor guy
 
shamshon said:
Many of them came from very poor backgrounds and did not have the same privileges of those who sent them to kill and be killed. I just feel that they have been exploited in their young age (most of them are recruited when they are 17) and were seduced by the allure of the military.

What you do has consequences. Joining the Army has some pretty huge ones. If you're not capable of fully appreciating the consequences of your actions, it's unfortunate but likely that you'll have trouble.

I also find it ridiculous that they would give refugees to terrorists and not to this poor guy

Who else they give refugee status to is a side issue (and I don't exactly disagree with your characteriziation, by the way). However, this guy clearly doesn't deserve it. He's facing a single year of imprisonment because he deserted from the army (which he voluntarily enlisted in) instead of fighting in a legally authorized combat operation.

Under that circumstance, if I refuse to pay my income taxes to fund the war and am then prosecuted, can I claim refugee status?
 
I find it hard to believe that Canada granted asylum to terrosits, there may be assumptions that some people are linked to terrorists (accusation). Nobody can be classified as terrorist only on the basis of assumption, just becasue the person was once long ago connected in some way to a terrorist. Specially in the situation when there is not any universal defination of terrorist. Different authorities, countries and even united nation hasnt come up to a precise defination, yet. Millitary personnel can not be treated as civilians, when it comes to justice. There is military act (i would say code of conduct).
 
I am sorry to tell you this but I am pretty sure that America has also granted asylum to terrorists they dont know about. Just because some canadian asylees tried to do something wild doesn't mean AMERICAN asylees are all 'clean.'
 
wantmygcnow said:
I am sorry to tell you this but I am pretty sure that America has also granted asylum to terrorists they dont know about. Just because some canadian asylees tried to do something wild doesn't mean AMERICAN asylees are all 'clean.'


About one year ago the FBI caught an asylee who tried to blow up malls in Ohio.

But it is fair to say that the Canadians have a very lax asylum system.
 
The American people would view a grant of asylum by Canada to a military deserter as an extremely unfriendly act that would have very negative diplomatic implications. This guy signed up for the military and he has to obey ordesr to take part in a war legally authorized by Congress and ratified by the American people.
 
wantmygcnow said:
I am sorry to tell you this but I am pretty sure that America has also granted asylum to terrorists they dont know about. Just because some canadian asylees tried to do something wild doesn't mean AMERICAN asylees are all 'clean.'
As far as I am concerned, Canadian laws are lax towards terrorists. After all, they are not threatened by them since they agreed not to fight them. My uncle lives in Canada and he said that some Islamic centers ( not all) harbor terrorists who espouse radical beliefs and may possibly be a breeding ground for new terrorists. Many of these centers want to apply the Islamic Shariaa (law) in their communities thereby having their own sovereignty. An activist Canadian Muslim woman decried this move since she felt that it would cause oppression of Muslim women in that country. I agree with your assessment that America has many asylees that could potentially be terrorists, but I bet you they are under scrutiny since this country is very vigilant. Canadians are not vigilant because they did not launch a racist war against Muslims, but they will suffer because their lax laws will give them the same headache with Muslims that the British and French currently have.
 
hampton8844 said:
The American people would view a grant of asylum by Canada to a military deserter as an extremely unfriendly act that would have very negative diplomatic implications. This guy signed up for the military and he has to obey ordesr to take part in a war legally authorized by Congress and ratified by the American people.
They granted asylum to thousands of American soldiers during the Vietnam war, so what is different now?
 
shamshon said:
They granted asylum to thousands of American soldiers during the Vietnam war, so what is different now?

First, during the Vietnam War there was an involuntary draft going on in the United States. And the draft system was managed in ways that discriminated against African-Americans, Hispanics and those unable to attend college. This guy signed up voluntarily.

Second, I am sure you will disagree with this point, but George Bush is no LBJ. The Canadians know that there would be consequences if they extended asylum. Just look at how Bush stopped the Europeans from selling weapons to the damn Red Chinese.
 
I disagreed with the decision to go to war in Iraq. But I too would be upset if the Canada offered asylum to this dude. He signed up for the military knowing full well what he was getting himself into. Plus, he is not exactly being persecuted. He will be tried for desertion and will be accorded the due process rights our military justice system allows.
 
hampton8844 said:
First, during the Vietnam War there was an involuntary draft going on in the United States. And the draft system was managed in ways that discriminated against African-Americans, Hispanics and those unable to attend college. This guy signed up voluntarily.

Second, I am sure you will disagree with this point, but George Bush is no LBJ. The Canadians know that there would be consequences if they extended asylum. Just look at how Bush stopped the Europeans from selling weapons to the damn Red Chinese.
Canadians never cracked under pressure from Bush. They recently withdrew from a missile defense program with the US, and Bush moaned and bitched about it, but could not do anything to sway the Canadians. I am sure this man will win his appeal given the fact that Bush is the most hated man in the eyes of Canadians. I also want to point out that the army failed to meet its recruitement expectations in the last 2 years. Those poor kids who were supposed to sign up did not do so because they realized that they would be sent to a war launched by the rich for the rich!
 
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If i was the president, I would sign a bill which would allow any Illegal alien in this country to fight for this country..resulting in a Green Card. That way You would have many illegals coming out of the shadows and helping a good cause..serving your country..what else is a better form of patriotism and deserves permanent residency?
 
wantmygcnow said:
If i was the president, I would sign a bill which would allow any Illegal alien in this country to fight for this country..resulting in a Green Card. That way You would have many illegals coming out of the shadows and helping a good cause..serving your country..what else is a better form of patriotism and deserves permanent residency?

This would happen if there was a draft.
 
They deserve better

I think those millions of undocumented persons are doing a much more worthwhile cause - keeping the economy and our daily lives running! That should suffice to allow them to be properly legalized and start the long road to citizenship.

Why would these people (who risked all they had to come here) die or be maimed to propagate an adventurous engagement? Do not we have enough recent immigrants, blacks and poor whites being killed in the pursuit of Rumsfeld's little games?

Oh and by the way, why have not the Bush daughters enlisted? I bet you if Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz & others had to send their own kids to war, they would have thought twice about it.

Cheerio


wantmygcnow said:
If i was the president, I would sign a bill which would allow any Illegal alien in this country to fight for this country..resulting in a Green Card. That way You would have many illegals coming out of the shadows and helping a good cause..serving your country..what else is a better form of patriotism and deserves permanent residency?
 
Shamshom, thanks for posting those articles.
Wow!!...I can't believe all this have been going on in Canada. Damn!!! I need to start reading more news and articles online regarding world news.
People with fishy backgrounds should not be allowed asylum!!.. damn this guys!! what type of Enforcement or federal departments they have that they don't care about people's background.
 
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