What are advantages and disadvantages of USA citizenship
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Mr Vertigo
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EU doesn't have uniform laws about this. It may be in some countries, and not in others.
cafeconleche
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The UK allows a citizen to enter on any passport.
One of the disadvantages which did not get mentioned on this discussion is the fact that US citizens tend to become the target of terrorists in some countries. Check out all the travel advisories on the state dept's website. Generally US citizens are asked to keep a low profile while travelling in certain countries.
Hope the current administration is able to change the way that other countries perceive the United States and its citizens.
Hope the current administration is able to change the way that other countries perceive the United States and its citizens.
Mr Vertigo
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No, isn't.
My wife and I once traveled to Switzerland by car from Germany. The border patrol didn't gave a rats about me (travelling on german passport), but grilled my wife (US) for 15 min.
Further, whenever I go to Mexico, I receive a very warm welcome as a German, as "Gringo" it's different.
On top, as a German I have less visa requirements for most countries.
My wife and I once traveled to Switzerland by car from Germany. The border patrol didn't gave a rats about me (travelling on german passport), but grilled my wife (US) for 15 min.
Further, whenever I go to Mexico, I receive a very warm welcome as a German, as "Gringo" it's different.
On top, as a German I have less visa requirements for most countries.
cafeconleche
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Well, I didn't make UK immigration rules. They did.
Mr Vertigo
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What on Earth does that mean? If you're referring to MartinAub's situation then I wouldn't be surprised in there's close to a million people who are dual nationals of the US and an EU country.
Mr Vertigo
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His experience as a "Gringo" being treated badly in Mexico because of a US passport, while true, is irrelevant, as it is basically an anecdote from 1 out of 300 million US citizens. Just because MartinAub got treated as a "Gringo" in Mexico, does not mean that all Americans are treated worse than someone with an EU passport. Also, according to this list, you get visa-free access to 155 countries/territories with a German passport - the same as with a US passport.
Triple Citizen
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I scored a 155, a 154 and a measly 25 according to this list. Anyone knows where I can get the complete list with the breakdown of the visa-free travel countries per passport?
A more useful comparison would be how many countries you can freely live and work in (either without any form of permit or with permission that is automatically granted regardless of situation) based on your citizenship. For Germans (and citizens of other EU countries) it will be at least 27. I suspect for US citizens it is rather closer to 1.
I wonder if the list is accurate.
Italy has 154, the US has 155.
I know for sure that when my wife (then girlfriend) and I went to Brazil, she needed a visa at the Consulate and I was fine without it.
Anyways, you can say that with a US or EU passport you could pretty much go anywhere in the world with no problem...
Italy has 154, the US has 155.
I know for sure that when my wife (then girlfriend) and I went to Brazil, she needed a visa at the Consulate and I was fine without it.
Anyways, you can say that with a US or EU passport you could pretty much go anywhere in the world with no problem...
Mr Vertigo
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The EU is a union of states, much like the US, so a better comparison would be:
1. The US with its 50 states
2. The EU with its 27 states
Not a valid comparison at all. Every EU member country has its own system of government and laws. How can you possibly suggest that, for example, the UK (a constitutional monarchy), France (a republic) and Luxembourg (a Grand Duchy) are related in the same way as, say, Texas, Alabama and Florida.
If you want to try and draw an analogy between an EU country and the states of the US then the countries of the UK - England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, would be a more valid comparison though not the same, since the balance of power within the UK is skewed towards England whereas in the US the states have nominally equal power. The only other country I can think of that is a true comparison to the US (individual states with a neutral federal capital) is Australia.
The point is that:
Given that we all want to become USC, I don't see any disadvantage in having dual citizenship, especially if US/EU dual citizenship.
As matter of facts, my wife (USC) has an appointment on July 2 at the Italian Consulate in NYC to apply for her italian citizenship. It takes up to two year with endless documentation, but it's still worth it.
Given that we all want to become USC, I don't see any disadvantage in having dual citizenship, especially if US/EU dual citizenship.
As matter of facts, my wife (USC) has an appointment on July 2 at the Italian Consulate in NYC to apply for her italian citizenship. It takes up to two year with endless documentation, but it's still worth it.
TheRealCanadian
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The only major difference is that all states are republican forms of governance (mandated by the US constitution). However, you will find significant variations in taxation, civil and criminal laws and even governmental structure (not all states have bicameral legislatures) between the 50 states. Behind the superficial similarity, there are significant differences.
I would suggest that New York and Louisiana and Wyoming have as many differences as some EU nations.
Canada comes to mind, despite not having a neutral federal capital - which is a bit of a red herring anyways. Brazil also does.
Mr Vertigo
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It is very valid. The EU is a union of states, and the US is a union of states. It matters very little how they're internally regulated as long as they are bound by Union laws and treaties. Not every state in the American Union has the same laws or traditions as the other one either, so the comparison is more than valid.
I am only drawing an analogy between the union of states known as the European Union, and the union of states known as the United States of America. And on a related note, there isn't a single state in the American Union where a citizen of said union is unable to work in, but the same is not true of the European Union. If you're Romanian or Bulgarian, times are tough in this European Union.