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Visa refused and CEAC data changed to Refuse of main applicant but not the other participants.

AldoBlack

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So I just got out from US embassy of Tirana (Albania) and my father's visa just got refused (My father, my mother).
Reason??? My father's work's experience and education does not meet the criteria. It is strange because my father has professional high school and he has 30 years of job experience. (He is a mechanic)
When I read the job criteria it is said that mechanic requires 1 or 2 years of job experiences. From one point I think that this is not the real reason. :(

I have one other thing to say. When I see CEAC Status my father's status is changed to REFUSED but my brother's and mother's status still remains READY. Does this means that they are not refused or what?

And just one other information, I do not know how US Embassy works on other countries, but in Albania if the main applicant pays $330 fee only for one person and not for other persons it means the visa is refused.
 
Iam devastated really :(
Im so sorry aldo.
Unfortunatly if main applicant is refused all derivatives will be the same, regarding what the ceac shows :(
Keep playing for 2016 you surely get it aldo.
 
I am sorry to hear that.
When the principal got refused, all dependent will be. We already discuss that in the old forum. In CEAC Website dependents status is not reported correctly in this case.

Regarding the last question I believe paying the fees for all members is the first thing to do in the interview. I don't know if there are exceptions in some countries.
 
Iam devastated really :(
Im so sorry aldo.
Unfortunatly if main applicant is refused all derivatives will be the same, regarding what the ceac shows :(
Keep playing for 2016 you surely get it aldo.

The CEAC shows READY whilw my father's shows REFUSED. But look this other example please
http://prntscr.com/3nn2km - this is the reason why I asked.
I was checking some other Refused visas and some shows REFUSED to main applicant his family members, and on some cases it shows REFUSED only to main applicant and READY to his family members. :(


I was totally shocked because my father has never done any corruption, he pays all the taxes. Never had any bug fights with his clients. Has his own business. If they had gotte Green Card, it would be the most amazing this in my life. I wouldn't care if I had to live in Albania all my life.
 
The CEAC shows READY whilw my father's shows REFUSED. But look this other example please
http://prntscr.com/3nn2km - this is the reason why I asked.
I was checking some other Refused visas and some shows REFUSED to main applicant his family members, and on some cases it shows REFUSED only to main applicant and READY to his family members. :(


I was totally shocked because my father has never done any corruption, he pays all the taxes. Never had any bug fights with his clients. Has his own business. If they had gotte Green Card, it would be the most amazing this in my life. I wouldn't care if I had to live in Albania all my life.
We have seen cases like this on the ceac, and like i said that will not change the final decision !
If the pricipal is refused all family members will fall with him...

Regarding the work experience qualification, its a very complicated process and most of people get disqualify !

The best is to qualify on education with SUCCESFUL 12 years, and its a straight process...
 
AldoBlack,
with its certificate can enroll in a higher education institution? Profession must go to a special list for lottery participants. Not every profession has the right to issue a visa.
 
Aldo, I'm sorry about the refusal. Two things though: as has been said, if the principal is refused the others cannot get visas. It must just be a delay in updating the cases or, more likely, as the fee was only paid for your father the other cases are not shown as having been interviewed/processed in the system - so they will probably remain at "ready" forever.
Second: a mechanic does not meet the required job level on o*net so that is why the work experience was refused. Also, when you say "professional" high school do you mean vocational high school? That would explain why that was not accepted - it is not seen as equivalent to a US 12 year high school.

Again, I'm so sorry about the refusal :(
 
FYI the highest mechanic rating I could find on o*net was job zone 3, SVP 6- <7. DV requires job zone 4 or 5 and SPV>7.
 
Aldo I'm really sorry!!! :(

How is it possible that you paid only 330$ considering that you have to attend the interview after paying the fee?!

P.s. When we attended the interview the same document was missing in our file for both of us, in CEAC my status (principal applicant) was on "AP", my husband "READY" even though we had attended the interview together. A week later when they received and processed the documents they updated the status of my husband in AP and some minutes later the status was updated in "issued" for both of us. You can imagine that I was controlling Ceac every second... :confused:
Maybe when they refuse the principal applicant it is indiscutible that the derivatives can't continue the process so they don't update their status at all.
 
Firstly I am also sad to hear about the refusal.

Regarding CEAC we have already discussed that our ceac stats are understated. Ceac is shoing cases in ready status whereas they should actually show issued, ap or refused. Fr this reason the graphs by Dalius are around 1000 cases understated for visas issued at the moment.

The Tirana embassy, unlike most others, asks for documents prior to the Interview. So, they would already have known they were going to refuse the case and therefore only charged the one fee.
 
Firstly I am also sad to hear about the refusal.

Regarding CEAC we have already discussed that our ceac stats are understated. Ceac is shoing cases in ready status whereas they should actually show issued, ap or refused. Fr this reason the graphs by Dalius are around 1000 cases understated for visas issued at the moment.

The Tirana embassy, unlike most others, asks for documents prior to the Interview. So, they would already have known they were going to refuse the case and therefore only charged the one fee.
So right !
Them asking only principal applicant fees, was a huge sign of denial...
 
Firstly I am also sad to hear about the refusal.

Regarding CEAC we have already discussed that our ceac stats are understated. Ceac is shoing cases in ready status whereas they should actually show issued, ap or refused. Fr this reason the graphs by Dalius are around 1000 cases understated for visas issued at the moment.

The Tirana embassy, unlike most others, asks for documents prior to the Interview. So, they would already have known they were going to refuse the case and therefore only charged the one fee.

So they didn't even attend the interview with the CO? o_O
 
Aldo,

Equally sad and sorry to read of your family's visa denial. Prior to attending the interview you asked a lot of questions about your case. I just wish you had shed more light on your father's educational qualification or work experience which could have better prepared you/them as to what to expect and this would have saved your family the precious resources expended on this process.
 
Just yesterday I was wondering what happened to your case, @AldoBlack... I'm so sorry for how it ended.

I have nothing to add, but I think when we get together here on a daily basis, feeling addicted to this forum and people, certain names are engraved in our heads and we feel very close to these people, thinking that all will come out perfect. When it doesn't, I think we feel like it's a common loss to all.
 
Just yesterday I was wondering what happened to your case, @AldoBlack... I'm so sorry for how it ended.

I have nothing to add, but I think when we get together here on a daily basis, feeling addicted to this forum and people, certain names are engraved in our heads and we feel very close to these people, thinking that all will come out perfect. When it doesn't, I think we feel like it's a common loss to all.
You resumed my thoughts :(
Indeed its a loss for all of us.
I'm bloody heavy sad genuine
 
First, thank you for all condolences. I forgot to mention in my first comment to THANK @Sloner , @vladek , @Britsimon , @Sm1smom , @SusieQQQ and all people who have helped me for one 1 year. And thank you Mr. @Rajiv S. Khanna for this forum. If it wasn't for this forum I do not know where I would have gotten all information I nedded. I have to apologize I did not mention ths in first post, but I was, and still am very shocked and sad. Thank You guys for helping me and answering all my question.

AldoBlack,
with its certificate can enroll in a higher education institution? Profession must go to a special list for lottery participants. Not every profession has the right to issue a visa.

Aldo, I'm sorry about the refusal. Two things though: as has been said, if the principal is refused the others cannot get visas. It must just be a delay in updating the cases or, more likely, as the fee was only paid for your father the other cases are not shown as having been interviewed/processed in the system - so they will probably remain at "ready" forever.
Second: a mechanic does not meet the required job level on o*net so that is why the work experience was refused. Also, when you say "professional" high school do you mean vocational high school? That would explain why that was not accepted - it is not seen as equivalent to a US 12 year high school.

Again, I'm so sorry about the refusal :(

@Sloner , SusieQQQ
Professional High Schools is 5 years in Albania. Which means my father has done 13 years of schools in his life. In professional high schools is like a small university which trains you to be a mechanic, erector etc, and yes. With his diploma he can enroll to higher education institution, ehich in this case will be university. (And if my father would have chosen to continue university he we have chosen Mechanical Engineer). I didn't continue university becase at that time dictatorship chose limited people to continue university and my father was not one of the lucky ones. (He couls have continued university after dictatorship felt but he wouldn't need because he had real profession.) . It is strange to me because I have so many relatives in who has won DV Lottery. For example my aunt, she won the lottery (she was the main participant), she has only Hogh School diploma and she hadn't worked once in her life because her husband is a good saleman and they were making money so she wouldn;t need a job and she took the visa.
One month ago, my friend took his visa with his family and. His father was the main participant and has only high schools, and he i just an amateur photographer. He hasn't done any photography school. He just opened his business and goes to wedding. Takes photos and that's all.
The strange thing is that all my relativis, they only have hoght schools and have not job experience and have received visa while my father was refused, and why they kept us waiting for 2 hours when they knew they were going to refuse our visa.

Aldo I'm really sorry!!! :(

How is it possible that you paid only 330$ considering that you have to attend the interview after paying the fee?!

P.s. When we attended the interview the same document was missing in our file for both of us, in CEAC my status (principal applicant) was on "AP", my husband "READY" even though we had attended the interview together. A week later when they received and processed the documents they updated the status of my husband in AP and some minutes later the status was updated in "issued" for both of us. You can imagine that I was controlling Ceac every second... :confused:
Maybe when they refuse the principal applicant it is indiscutible that the derivatives can't continue the process so they don't update their status at all.

@dveu14 ,
I will explain the process. In 8:00 AM we went to the embassy. We waited a little bit and my father's name was called to submit the remaining documents. He submited the remaining documents and paid the fee, only $330, for one, while the others were paying not only their fees, but also other fees for other participant. (At that moment my father began to suspect but he didn't say anything). We waited for 30 minutes and again my family's name was called. This time al my family had to go inside the sectors, they just did a finger print scans (the CO asked my father iF I was waiting in the lobby and they said yes.). Then they returned and after waiting for 1 hour, my father's name was called again. Only he went inside to the CO and he gave the refusal letter. So they knew that our visa was to be refused, but they just kept us waiting for 2 hours and I do not know why they did this.
And, No they didn't attend the interview with the CO. They only asked them one question when they were doing finger scans "Is Aldo in the looby?", and they answered "Yes, he is with us."


Aldo,

Equally sad and sorry to read of your family's visa denial. Prior to attending the interview you asked a lot of questions about your case. I just wish you had shed more light on your father's educational qualification or work experience which could have better prepared you/them as to what to expect and this would have saved your family the precious resources expended on this process.

@Sm1smom ,
I was a liitle sceptic about interview today. Because we had last name issues. Mistakes made by other people, but I never could have imagined that visa was going to refuse because of my father;s education and job experience.


@veronice ,
Thank you. I've had a great time here and I'm very thankful to all people in this forum.
 
I graduated from high school in Kenya. However I failed in 2 core subjects. Will that count against me? I am currently in US, and hold a bachelor's degree from a well known University.
 
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