URGENT - Green Card to be Revoked

thankful said:
could you have transferred your credits to a U.S. undergraduate institution?
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It is possible to continue on US school for master program if you have finished bachelor degree (if moving from overseas)

During studies it is pretty complicated to transfer. It is somehow possible if it is done after the first semester or first year. Anyway this is ytoo expensive.

Freshmans have easier life.

And of course if I am gonna to be guestioned this way ...

yes I could simply gave up studies and start in USA from a scratch and green card is valuable for me. But it is not really worth of throwing moneys and time from the window as we say.
 
thankful said:
could you have transferred your credits to a U.S. undergraduate institution?
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When you transfer from a non-US college they often throw away as much as half or more of the credits, but if you complete the degree usually the entire degree is recognized for the purpose of entering a US graduate school. So if you are more than halfway through the non-US degree, it is usually better to just finish the degree rather than transfer.
 
You are stressing out for nothing. FInish your school
and you will be fine. Your GC won't be revoked for this.
 
I would agree that either transferring to a US college or change the mode from real classes to online (if possible) would not be the best idea when a person is in their final year of college.

If Hannah can simply carry all the documents showing that despite her studies abroad, she still maintained ties to her new home by regularly visiting and planning to settle here by getting a bank account, SS#, state ID card etc, I don't think she should have many (if any) problems when entering the US. At least the intention is to stay here compared to those who want to leave immediately after receiving their GC.


Stoned!
 
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Hannah7 said:
Yeah of course, but I mean whether they usualy do such comments.
For example if CBP asks you the ordinary question like: "How long have you been out?" - does he put your answer to the system?

Or "How long will you stay on this trip?" - does he flag the information to the system?

Especially on the last example question many people don't know the answer and so later they could be accused of lie to CBP officer.
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A few people on this board got "I407 advised" note in their passport when they came back from the long "trip".
 
GotPR? said:
A few people on this board got "I407 advised" note in their passport when they came back from the long "trip".
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For anyone who doesn't know, an I-407 is an application to abandon ones greencard. Getting that note in your passport tells everyone that you are being given a chance to either play by the rules and if you can't, to voluntarily give up your greencard. In other words, a final warning.
 
Dude, I think you don't know the value of green card because you got it the easy way. We are still stuck in it from long long time and know the value of it. I suggest you don't play any games with USCIS, just get back to USA and study here. You can always transfer the courses to US university.
 
Hi All.
I read this thread with interest and I am surprised of one thing.

If as Hanna7 says
[I even know that the system they use is called "IBIS", which, like you said, connects all various federal systems.
So there is info from police, USCIS, DHS, Airlines, IRS, DMV, ... so of course it takes just a click to view ones travel history especially if ones travels by the air.]
how come the CBP always ask the period of time stayed out of the country when someone comes back.
Just on scaning the GC he should at least see the date of last (or previous) return.
If he has Airlines information he should be able to trace the date you left the country.
With those 2 dates he sould be able to know how long a GC holder was out of the country.
But it doesn't appear to be the case.
So that makes me think those temporal data are not kept (unless of course if there are serious matters).

Can someone with more accurate knowledge shed some light on this.
Thank you
N
 
Nestor67 said:
Hi All.
I read this thread with interest and I am surprised of one thing.

If as Hanna7 says
[I even know that the system they use is called "IBIS", which, like you said, connects all various federal systems.
So there is info from police, USCIS, DHS, Airlines, IRS, DMV, ... so of course it takes just a click to view ones travel history especially if ones travels by the air.]
how come the CBP always ask the period of time stayed out of the country when someone comes back.
Just on scaning the GC he should at least see the date of last (or previous) return.
If he has Airlines information he should be able to trace the date you left the country.
With those 2 dates he sould be able to know how long a GC holder was out of the country.
But it doesn't appear to be the case.
So that makes me think those temporal data are not kept (unless of course if there are serious matters).

Can someone with more accurate knowledge shed some light on this.
Thank you
N
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At, say, JFK airport, the CBP officer has only little time to inspect one passenger. It doesn't mean that scanning GC must make all these data dislay on computer screen.

I only say, data are somewhere in computers and they are a few clicks away. It's still easier to ask!

And asking questions has one advantage. The officer will see how the individual reacts + may ask additional question like "What was the purpose of your trip ..."

Sometimes officer may believe you and you go! Sometimes they verify what you said.
 
The CBP agent has few time to inspect a passenger thus it's a good reason to have all those data easily displayed and readable on his screen.

If those data are easy to get ("few clicks away") he can rapidly compare your replies to these data... and that doesn't prevent him/her to test your reaction to further questions (eg: Have you been arrested, what's your job, who do you work for, etc... I got all these questions).

So my thinking is that all these data (last return, airlines information, etc...) are not at his disposal in an so easy manner (unless of course if there is a red flag on the account).

However he can always send you to the second room in case of suspicion and there a more thorough check can be undertaken.

I am in IT too and I know that data can be stored there, dormant and (just) kept for legal purposes. Depending on the systems, applications (maintenance) and other factors they can more or less be available rapidly. I am far from underestimating the CBPs and HS computers and applications and their ability to cross information. But that might take time and information that the IO might not have.

More thoughts?
 
Well, Nestor67, you are right!

None of us is CBP officer so we can only guess :) but I like this discussion

It's very possible that not all data are really fastly accessible - for example arrest records. In secondary inspection they have more time to gain all neccessary data I think.

And more ... is officer asks you "How long was your trip?" , he cannot rely only on airline information. What if you arrived on land from Canada?

So the answer could be that computers are still not perfect and some data may not be consistent.
 
Thanks Hannah for bringing that discussion, I like it too.

I already arrived from Canada (Quebec frontier) and I can tell you that the check there is done as it is at the airport. The GC is swiped and thus data are registered and if not indefinitely seen on the IO system they surely are kept somewhere.

Regarding the period of the stay, this information might be lost (precisely not recorded) in the case where leaves the country on a sailing boat for example (like in the movie with John Malkovich and Clint Eastwood whose name I don't remember).
 
Nestor67 said:
However he can always send you to the second room in case of suspicion and there a more thorough check can be undertaken.
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And when you apply for citizenship, they have much much more time to dig up information from the archives if they want to.
 
So one can ask why do they request all the travels information on the N-400 if they have the time and computer power to dig those data out?

And why only travel information of the past five years?

Just to test if the applicant lies on his application form?
 
Nestor67 said:
So one can ask why do they request all the travels information on the N-400 if they have the time and computer power to dig those data out?

And why only travel information of the past five years?

Just to test if the applicant lies on his application form?
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I guess to see if ur telling the truth. Call it entrapment ;)
 
This is yet another good example of being out of the US on a Green Card for too long, or working over seas, or multiple trips or long trips etc.

People seem to be under the illusion that once they have a Green Card they can do whatever a normal citizen can with regards to not having residency requirements. It clearly states what you need to do and not do avoid being in a situation like this.

Time and time people either don't really understand what a Green Card is and thus don't know the rules, or they try and push the limits of the Green Card hoping that it'll all end up ok.

Yes people do get Green Cards revoked for situations just like this one...
 
There are also people who know what it is the family sacrifice for a GC.

And sometimes these family matters push them to be out of the country and at the same time try not to lose their residency.

I can't imagine a GC holder playing dangerous games with his status or worse the (future) status of his children just for pleasure. Most of the time there are reasons (and thankfully means like re-entry permits ... that can also bring delays) behind acts.

Who makes the choice of separation in seek for a believed better future for his/her child can understand what I mean.
 
Nestor67 said:
And why only travel information of the past five years?

Just to test if the applicant lies on his application form?
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When you apply for master or PhD degree or job for example they ask about your history, degrees and may or may not confirm it again with those institutes. When I apply for certain license, again I was asked about many things supposed to be logic from the last certificate in my hand (for example high school diploma) and so on. Even if you apply for travel document they ask to provide a copy from the GC already present in the system.This is the way it goes; I cannot say you have your resources to check my background. Just provide your information in decent and truthful way and they can confirm what they want or not at all.
 
Nestor67 said:
So one can ask why do they request all the travels information on the N-400 if they have the time and computer power to dig those data out?
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They don't have 100% of the travel information for 100% of the applicants. And of the X% they have, maybe not all of it is easily accessible via a few mouse-clicks; the rest may require old backup tapes to be located and/or a DBA to run some complicated queries and get back to them in a couple of days, especially for those who have less straightforward travel patterns, like a trip where the person left the US via a land border and re-entered via air. The time and expense of those queries and accessing those archives means they won't bother to go there unless they suspect that your listed travel information is inaccurate.

So the answer to your question is that they do rely on the applicant to provide information to fill in the gaps, because they don't have 100% info for everybody. But it is unwise for the applicant to lie about the trips, as the applicant doesn't know how much USCIS knows about their travels.
And why only travel information of the past five years?
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The N-400 asks for travel information since becoming a PR. Not just the last 5 years.
 
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