Tri-Valley University

[Jo1234]

Origianlly posted by Jo1234, "According to the law, 8 CFR 214.2(f), CPT requires that the university can issue recognized degrees. TVU is not accredited, so they can not issue recognized degrees. That means they can NOT issue CPT. If they do, they violate the law."

You are coming to your own conclusion that university without an accrediation can not issue recognized degree, this is not correct.

It IS correct.
A "degree" from a non-accredited institution isn't worth the paper it is printed on.
You use it for ANYTHING, you commit fraud.
www dot counterfeitdegrees dot com /accreditation/non.htm

Origanally posted by Jo1234, " As long as they don't have accreditation, their degrees are WORTHLESS. Period."

Get your facts corrected, this is not true.

It IS true.
You can try getting a job with a "degree" from TVU. Or try to transfer credits...

You can speak with lawyer or SEVIS people. I already did.

Non-accredited "institutions can NOT NEVER issue valid degrees. That has nothing to do with SEVIS. It has everything to do with the lack of accreditation.
And EVERY lawyer worth his or her money will tell you the same.

Students got F1 visa for Tri Valley, it is SEVIS approved.

Probably not being forthcoming about their lack of accreditation in their SEVIS application.

They have PhD faculties from good universities ( I can only see on website and assume it is true).

And? They don't even have real offices. They use a High School address as administrative office.

Why do faculties jon them then?

Ask them. They are propagating creationism, and for some weird reason, some people believe that the earth is 6000 years old...
Oh, and having a PhD from a good university doesn't mean that people can't turn bad.
Prime example: Ted Kaczynski. A brilliant child, got into Harvard at age 16, got a PhD from University of Michigan, Professor at UC Berkeley at age 25. That didn't prevent him from becoming a terrorist.

Do you even know how CPT is approved?

Yes, I know.

You are under impression that CPT is just between school and student. You are absolutely wrong. That goes on your SEVIS id and it stays there like a record.

Yes. And if it was issued in error, your record will show that as well, and will show that you are illegal.

Orgianally posted by Jo1234,"Accreditation is there to guarantee a basic quality of education. All accredited universities have to have the accepted basic level of education. The top universities of course go far above that, but non-accredited organizations are below that basic quality."

I agree about you here. But if any university is functional for long time and could not receive an accrediation then I can understand that it is not meeting basic level of education. Tri Vally may be functioning since few years ( I do not know how much), so how you can say it is not meeting basic level of education? Just university's accrediation is in process, you can conclude that it is not good.

It is NOT even in process. They do NOT even have accreditation candidacy. And they never will, because they are creationists, which is inherently unscientific.

Why are you jumping to conclusions? What do you think everybody is bending law here?

Because TVU IS violating the laws.
See the trackitt thread about it.

Origianlly posted by Jo1234, "And I think TVU will eventually get into trouble with CIS. It doesn't matter how long ago they started, they need to have accreditation to legally offer degrees and OPT or CPT. As it stands right now, they are essentially a diploma mill. "

Who told you university needs accrdiation to offer CPT or OPT? Show me where it is written?

The law. I quoted 8 CFR 214.2(f). For CPT, it is required that the person has a full class load at an institution that offers recognized degrees. Degrees from a non-accredited organization are NOT recognized.

I am still sure that you never have been on CPT and you don't quite know how it works.

And I am sure that you are affiliated with TVU, and now find out that you made a grave mistake.

TVU is NOT accredited. TVU is a creationist organization.
TVU uses offices at a public schoolt, which is against the US Constitution (separation of church and state.)
Using a "degree" from TVU for an F1, H1 or GC is fraud.
Using CPT or OPT from TVU is fraud.

 

[sreeleshk]

Sameer_jaju

if u think so highly of the institution, u should join , if things work out for u, it would be great.


every one is looking for a lab rat/guinea pig


for me, i'll consider the degree certificate from tvu as toilet paper

 

[Jo1234]

Sameer_jaju

if u think so highly of the institution, u should join , if things work out for u, it would be great.

Indeed. He is an adult. If he wants to kill his career in the US, he is free to do that...

 

[Sameer_jaju]

You are under wrong impression.

Indeed. He is an adult. If he wants to kill his career in the US, he is free to do that...

You are under wrong impression. I have been reading your thoughts on murthy.com too. aren't you person with usename j o e f , Don't you?

 

[Sameer_jaju]

Originally posted by Jo1234, "Probably not being forthcoming about their lack of accreditation in their SEVIS application. It is NOT even in process. They do NOT even have accreditation candidacy. And they never will, because they are creationists, which is inherently unscientific.
"

If they lack accreditation and if it is such big issue (initially when they applied for SEVIS approval) why they were approved by SEVIS? It is SEVIS approval; doesn't USCIS must have checked some of basic things before they can approve such education / university?

How do you know that they are not even in process? Check their website, http dot trivalleyuniversity dot org / FAQ dot htm and check accreditation status. You are talking in such a way that you are head of such accreditation agencies. Indeed getting a degree from non accrediated university is not good for career in US but for those univerisities whoes accrediation is in process what about them? How you can decide unversity's basic level of education not even having any active part in any process.

 

[Sameer_jaju]

Sameer_jaju

if u think so highly of the institution, u should join , if things work out for u, it would be great.


every one is looking for a lab rat/guinea pig

I am not comparing Tri Valley with any other universities and claiming that courses offered at Tri Valley are best than certain schools or most schools. My point is if some university is in process to get accrediation then you can not assume that it lacks basic level of education. If accrediation is denied then things would be more clear to make some statments.

 

[Jo1234]

You are under wrong impression. I have been reading your thoughts on murthy.com too. aren't you person with usename j o e f , Don't you?

I am. And I am right that TVU is a fraudulent organization.
I only post here because somebody from TVU used this thread, in particular the posts from uuu12345, obviously a TVU employee, on trackitt to claim that TVU is legit.
TVU is clearly not legit, and never was.
If you use a "degree" from TVU for anything, you commit fraud. Plain and simple.

 

[Jo1234]

I am not comparing Tri Valley with any other universities and claiming that courses offered at Tri Valley are best than certain schools or most schools. My point is if some university is in process to get accrediation then you can not assume that it lacks basic level of education. If accrediation is denied then things would be more clear to make some statments.

The point is that they do NOT have accreditation.
And while they have applied for accreditation, that doesn't mean anything.
The minutes of the meetings of the accreditation agency show that their application is not even worked on. And that for over a year. That only happens if the institution doesn't even fulfill any requirement.
TVU doesn't even have a .edu domain. A .edu domain is only given to organizations that are accredited or are on their way to accreditation, as accreditation candidates. TVU isn't even on the way to accreditation.
The bottom line: TVU is not accredited, TVU does not have a standard of education, TVU is a fraudulent organization.

 

[Sameer_jaju]

The point is that they do NOT have accreditation.
And while they have applied for accreditation, that doesn't mean anything.
The minutes of the meetings of the accreditation agency show that their application is not even worked on. And that for over a year. That only happens if the institution doesn't even fulfill any requirement.
TVU doesn't even have a .edu domain. A .edu domain is only given to organizations that are accredited or are on their way to accreditation, as accreditation candidates. TVU isn't even on the way to accreditation.
The bottom line: TVU is not accredited, TVU does not have a standard of education, TVU is a fraudulent organization.

You are coming to your own conclusion. How come people are getting admission then and getting visas then? If something that you can not digest does not mean it is not good for everybody.

 

[Sameer_jaju]

The point is that they do NOT have accreditation.
And while they have applied for accreditation, that doesn't mean anything.
The minutes of the meetings of the accreditation agency show that their application is not even worked on. And that for over a year. That only happens if the institution doesn't even fulfill any requirement.
TVU doesn't even have a .edu domain. A .edu domain is only given to organizations that are accredited or are on their way to accreditation, as accreditation candidates. TVU isn't even on the way to accreditation.
The bottom line: TVU is not accredited, TVU does not have a standard of education, TVU is a fraudulent organization.

Are you head of accreditation agencies? How do you know their application was not even worked on? You might be true only if you have proof. How come minutes of meeting from accrediations were revealed to you? You also claimed something very funny in murthy forums about talking with some DSO people about CPT and all.

Instead of making baseless assumtions / statments, show the proof. Day by day, you are revealaing many internal details of USCIS, DSO and now accrediation agencies. I thnk you are not most powerful person who knows everything or have an access to everything. I was surprised to see words, " The minutes of the meetings of the accreditation agency show that..", sounds funny and crappy to me.

 

[Sameer_jaju]

The point is that they do NOT have accreditation.
And while they have applied for accreditation, that doesn't mean anything.
The minutes of the meetings of the accreditation agency show that their application is not even worked on. And that for over a year. That only happens if the institution doesn't even fulfill any requirement.
TVU doesn't even have a .edu domain. A .edu domain is only given to organizations that are accredited or are on their way to accreditation, as accreditation candidates. TVU isn't even on the way to accreditation.
The bottom line: TVU is not accredited, TVU does not have a standard of education, TVU is a fraudulent organization.

How you can conclude that if they do not have accrediation ( may be in process as they have on website, and we need to see proof if they were denied, I do not know if they were denied before/now), they do not have standard of education. How come you can say it is fradulant organization? How do you know it? You are trying to be judge and you yourself gave such accrediation ( as they are fraudulant) to TVU. I do not know accrediation status, if you have any proof then please put forward , it will surely help students.

You are an adult and the person who makes claims without even proof is least heard of everytime, you should have known that. I will appreciate your evidences, people's mouth will be shut if you bring proof. My views will be changed only if you have proof. And proof is what anyone would like to see not baseless statments. No matter how many time you repeat they were denied ( may be they were), everybody would like to see proof.

 

[Jo1234]

Are you head of accreditation agencies? How do you know their application was not even worked on? You might be true only if you have proof. How come minutes of meeting from accrediations were revealed to you?

The accreditation agency has the minutes of their meetings online. Check the trackitt thread.
This is the age of the Internet, in case you haven't noticed. You know what this Internet thingy is, do you? And you know what a search engine is, do you?
Liars like TVU are easily exposed nowadays.

Instead of making baseless assumtions / statments, show the proof.

TVU is NOT accredited, and their application is not worked on, as the minutes of the meetings of the accreditation agency shows.
Case closed.

 

[Jo1234]

How you can conclude that if they do not have accrediation ( may be in process as they have on website, and we need to see proof if they were denied, I do not know if they were denied before/now), they do not have standard of education.

Sigh.
It is NOT me who has to prove things.
TVU has to prove that they have a standard of education, and accreditation by a recognized accreditation agency would be that proof.
TVU doesn't have that proof.
This, btw, is basic logic that anybody with a high school education would understand.

How come you can say it is fradulant organization? How do you know it?

They are not accredited, yet they sell "degrees". That's the fraud right there. They are a diploma mill, selling worthless paper as "degrees".

You are trying to be judge

LOL. Where?
I see that they are NOT accredited and that they are offering "degrees". That makes them a diploma mill. Diploma mills are fraudulent operations. End of story.

 

[Sameer_jaju]

Sigh.
It is NOT me who has to prove things.
TVU has to prove that they have a standard of education, and accreditation by a recognized accreditation agency would be that proof.
TVU doesn't have that proof.
This, btw, is basic logic that anybody with a high school education would understand.


They are not accredited, yet they sell "degrees". That's the fraud right there. They are a diploma mill, selling worthless paper as "degrees".


LOL. Where?
I see that they are NOT accredited and that they are offering "degrees". That makes them a diploma mill. Diploma mills are fraudulent operations. End of story.

If Tri valley's application is not even on worked on, then do you know exact status of Tri Valley's accrediation? You just want to see final Accrediation in fact everybody would like to see it, but they can be in process too. Getting accrediation is thorough process and can not be done overnight. Now you are putting it such way that Tri valley will never get accrediation, again you have your own assumtions. Were they denied before, I don't see that. How you can expect thourough accrediation to be done in relatively small time. There are other universitites without accrediation for long time in US, can understand that those might have denied but this may not be case for Tri Valley which is in US since few years.

You are trying to predict future with your own limited knowledge.

 

[Jo1234]

If Tri valley's application is not even on worked on, then do you know exact status of Tri Valley's accrediation?

Did you even read and understand my post???
As I said, the meeting notes are online. They show that TVU's application is not worked on, it is not even discussed.
Learn to use the Internet... You can find out all sorts of things...
In particular, you can find out that TVU is a fraudulent organization.

You are grasping at straws. Probably because you have signed up with them and now have been told that you got scammed.
Scamming victims are often in denial...

 

[Sameer_jaju]

Did you even read and understand my post???
As I said, the meeting notes are online. They show that TVU's application is not worked on, it is not even discussed.
Learn to use the Internet... You can find out all sorts of things...
In particular, you can find out that TVU is a fraudulent organization.

You are grasping at straws. Probably because you have signed up with them and now have been told that you got scammed.
Scamming victims are often in denial...

Are you getting some sense here or not? TVU's application was not even worked on or was not even discussued. What does that mean? If something is not discusssed then is it a denial? So you are trying to make sense that nothing was discussued in their minutes mean it is fraudulant? Which school did you go to? I am sure you never went to school on F1 visa. If you had some experience, you would think rationally. It is something you can not digest, so you want to say it is scam.

You don't worry about my future. Concentrate on your present J O E F.

 

[Jo1234]

Are you getting some sense here or not? TVU's application was not even worked on or was not even discussued. What does that mean?

It means that it is on a stack, not being worked on. I said that from the start.

If something is not discusssed then is it a denial? So you are trying to make sense that nothing was discussued in their minutes mean it is fraudulant?

Huh?

Which school did you go to?

A real university, not some fraudulent organization like TVU.
It is called University of California. You know, one of the best universities in the US. One that does real, worldclass research. The guys that invented most of the Internet.
One that has some experience with creationists like the ones from TVU trying to propagate their fake, unscientific BS, who tried to sue their way into UC and failed miserably...

I am sure you never went to school on F1 visa.

Irrelevant.
TVU's "degrees" are fake, and can't be used for anything. Not F1, not H1, not GC.

If you had some experience, you would think rationally.

LOL.
It is YOU who is irrationally defending a fraudulent organization that propagates an unscientific, pseudo-Christian "view" called creationism.
Evolution is a fact.
And here is some logic lesson, since you are obviously in need of it:
1. TVU is not accredited.
2. TVU's "degrees" can not be used for anything, yet TVU claims otherwise on their website.
3. Ergo, TVU is a fraudulent organization.

Of course, fraudsters attract other fraudsters. Everybody else stays far away.

 

[Sameer_jaju]

It means that it is on a stack, not being worked on. I said that from the start.


Huh?


A real university, not some fraudulent organization like TVU.
It is called University of California. You know, one of the best universities in the US. One that does real, worldclass research. The guys that invented most of the Internet.
One that has some experience with creationists like the ones from TVU trying to propagate their fake, unscientific BS, who tried to sue their way into UC and failed miserably...


Irrelevant.
TVU's "degrees" are fake, and can't be used for anything. Not F1, not H1, not GC.


LOL.
It is YOU who is irrationally defending a fraudulent organization that propagates an unscientific, pseudo-Christian "view" called creationism.
Evolution is a fact.
And here is some logic lesson, since you are obviously in need of it:
1. TVU is not accredited.
2. TVU's "degrees" can not be used for anything, yet TVU claims otherwise on their website.
3. Ergo, TVU is a fraudulent organization.

Of course, fraudsters attract other fraudsters. Everybody else stays far away.

hahahaha.. A person from University of California would not waste time for such things. If it is one of the best university then I hope you have been placed in one of good companies in US, still how come you find so much time to reply to such posts. You are online on murthy fourm all the time. If you are from University of California which deals with world class research, when do you get time to do your research / office work. You are here all the time online asnwering posts in your own way.

I will tell you what, a person from world class university do not come to conclusion in such manner. I am now 100% sure you never been in any school and you never participated in any kind of research. I did research in my masters though university is not as high ranked as your University of California but still I do not come to conclusion so early.

I have been following some of your posts where you repeatedly come to early conclusions and are not rational. TVU degrees can not be fake. No degrees are fake unless you know how do they conduct exams and all. Your explaination about quality of education without accrediation is very funny.

 

[Jo1234]

hahahaha.. A person from University of California would not waste time for such things.

I help immigrants because I am an immigrant myself. Seems that you have problems understanding that...

If it is one of the best university then I hope you have been placed in one of good companies in US

I don't get "placed". I am not working for a consultant. I work in a real company.

still how come you find so much time to reply to such posts.

None of your business...

You are online on murthy fourm all the time.

Yeah, and? I am able to manage my time. With a good education (not from some frauds like TVU) you may be able to learn that as well.
And in any case, this is not about me, this is about the fraudulent organization calling itself TVU.
Nice try at a diversion, but it won't work. TVU is a fraudulent organization.

If you are from University of California which deals with world class research, when do you get time to do your research / office work.

My research experience provided me with the knowledge to see through BS, like what you post and what TVU posts on their website.

I will tell you what, a person from world class university do not come to conclusion in such manner.

And how would you know? You are only knowing frauds like TVU.

I am now 100% sure you never been in any school and you never participated in any kind of research. I did research in my masters though university is not as high ranked as your University of California but still I do not come to conclusion so early.

So, you did your "Masters" at TVU?
Then it is clear that you wouldn't know anything about research.
And why would somebody with a Masters degree work for a consultant? Are you so bad that you can't find a job with a real company?

I have been following some of your posts where you repeatedly come to early conclusions and are not rational.

Translation. You are clueless. Read the laws. They are also online. Learn how to use a browser and a search engine...

TVU degrees can not be fake. No degrees are fake unless you know how do they conduct exams and all. Your explaination about quality of education without accrediation is very funny.

Degrees from non-accredited organizations are fake by definition.

 

[nkm-oct23]

Look at the picture of the beautiful campus buildings (on pages 11 and 12):
http://trivalleyuniversity.org/Catalog.pdf