Sensenbrenner

[Anand_Mishra]

Sundar, I can't agree with you any more. east has to still go long way but they are in right direction.

I checked ON EB1 option, I found from my research division, that off late, even PhDs are being considered for Eb2, as Eb1 is a bit dicey for filing as per the place I work. I work for a well known research firm in US. For me when i came to US, I did not consider GC as a important factor, even now, I donot care so much.. if I get it is fine, if not I plan to go back to teaching in India. I just felt it was important to make the govt here understand the importance of scientists to the innovation arena. Looks like the politicians here cannot see beyond the bridge of the nose. Cant help it. History has proved countries with short sighted vision loose. Dutch in 17 th century, Hungary, Germany, Uk in early 19 th century lost out, and now US...looks like Sun is setting in West and Raising in the East ( Literally !!). If Asian countries manage the economy well , i am sure the boom is for long. At the same time, if we do not find innovative ways in India to tackly social, poor-rich disparity, the reservation issues on a priority basis, we will end up with Civil War like bosnia. Another hearting factor today is, the GOVT is setting up something like NSF in India with 1000 crore, this is great news for the scientists..

I really admire the patience of all you folks and the hope you attach. I am sure, India would be richer with all your perseverance, talents and intellectual abilities. Do not loose hope, if we get treated badly by immigration here , we can convert this to an opportunity to go back to India and use this as a spring board for success.

 

[GotPR?]

Under those laws if you are on H-1 visa and have your labor and I-140 approved and have passed 180 days you will get h-1 visa extention even though you have passed 6 year limit.

I did not know this. My understading is 365days old LC or I140 gives 7th or beyond year extension. Could you point me to the document ?

archkre...i assume you have filed your labor few months back....and i hope if you account for vacation outside usa, you can capture few months....all combined together if it becomes 180 days since your filed your labor....you can get your H1b extended....

I'd also appreciate you if you could point me to the document stating 180days rule.

 

[techy2468]

india is doing good...i am happy...my friends and families are still there....., but frankly speaking.....i dont have much hopes......bureacrats...and politicians....they will make sure that we wont go far....

gc-despo....republicans have nothing to do with current situation....its all because of the mad rush....too many candidates........and of course.....gov does not care about us.....whether it takes 2 or 7 years....they give a damn......atleast republicans are listening to business and trying to do something.....democrats are hell bent agains immigration.....its just plain politics...

 

[pdakwala]

House Happenings for This Week

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URGENT

Denny Hastert have said that in the House things that will be happenings for the last week will surprise many people.

"We’re going to finish our efforts to reduce the deficit soon. I know I talked to you before about the Deficit Reduction Act that we passed. The American people deserve to have a more efficient and effective government. This legislation makes the reforms so they have that. We’ve passed our version in the House. The Senate has theirs. So now we’re working out a compromise and I hope we can get that to the floor soon."
Source: http://speaker.house.gov/journal/05...klyupdate.shtml

I am again telling everyone not to wait till the members of the conference committee are known. Please start sending letters to the key members who have played major role in Deficit reduction bill from day one. This week is very important.

 

[archkre]

This is unbelivable: Where can you read along this long thread I supported illegal immigration?
I very very strongly oppose illegal immigration!!
Quote one single of my phrases supporting that!
Read well and thorouhgly, please!
Buy the way : Do you think that ultraconservative-antimmigration groups give a damn if you are legal or illegal?
They don't give a...,they are just anti-immigrant!!!!

 

[gc-despo]

gc-despo....republicans have nothing to do with current situation....its all because of the mad rush....too many candidates........and of course.....gov does not care about us.....whether it takes 2 or 7 years....they give a damn......atleast republicans are listening to business and trying to do something.....democrats are hell bent agains immigration.....its just plain politics...

Techy,

Wait a sec. Unless I have got all my fundas of US politics wrong, it has always been Democrats who are pro immigration and Republicans who oppose it. But you are right, Republicans are more pro-business, and in that regard, they may be more in support of H1-B program and Employment based GC.

I dont think it is mad rush that has given rise to the PD retrogression. The same rush was there in 2003-2004, then why were PDs current. Suddenly, almost overnight, they retrogressed 5-7 years - that smacks of an artificially imposed quota to me.

 

[Inrisk]

Guys,
Archkre is right. Do not spit on illegal immigration, and think of yourselves as one up because you have legal status.

Dude,
Illegals are against the law. I believe I havent broke any law and I dont want to. Incase I was on the verge to become illgal I would pack my bags and leave the country anyway. So I and rest of the people here will NEVER ever suport illegal immigration, its just plain and simple.

Make no mistake, this is a conservative/Republican movement against all immigration. They do not distinguish that much between legal and illegal. Right now, they are focussed against illegal immigrants, but tomorrow it will be against legal GC seekers too.

Let it be. We came here to work and pursue our dreams. But if we arent invited here, then I guess its time to pack and leave. Still that doesnt make me support illegal immigration. When you are in a place, you should go by the law of the land.

Why, if I am not mistaken, all this priority dates retrogression, is just another manifestation of the anti-immigration sentiment prevalent among those in majority in Washington today. That is why the PDs suddenly retrogressed by 5-6 years.

Think what you may, it may be a alien conspiracy for all that matter. But please dont riddle us and post to support illegal immigration.

There are 100's here who are working hard to make S.1932 happene, so dont put a brake on their wheels, if you cant help them atleast dont distract them.

 

[techy2468]

gc-despo....simple question who is proposing s.1932 and who is opposing it??, this will answer the question of republican and democrats being pro immigrant or not?

mad rush happened between 2000-2003, not now, and 75% of those cases are still waiting for visa numbers....

 

[gc-despo]

Dude,
Illegals are against the law. I believe I havent broke any law and I dont want to. Incase I was on the verge to become illgal I would pack my bags and leave the country anyway. So I and rest of the people here will NEVER ever suport illegal immigration, its just plain and simple.


Let it be. We came here to work and pursue our dreams. But if we arent invited here, then I guess its time to pack and leave. Still that doesnt make me support illegal immigration. When you are in a place, you should go by the law of the land.


Think what you may, it may be a alien conspiracy for all that matter. But please dont riddle us and post to support illegal immigration.

There are 100's here who are working hard to make S.1932 happene, so dont put a brake on their wheels, if you cant help them atleast dont distract them.

Inrisk and all others on this forum,

On the surface it is easy to condemn illegal immigration and say that we are against it, and that we are here legally and should be treated differently. However, let us pause and consider.

I am Indian living in Bay Area. Here I come into contact almost daily with several illegal immigrants - the waiter in my local desi restaurant, the car wash guy, the guy who does gardening in my apt complex, the lady who cleans several houses in our complex, the janitors in my office etc etc.... These people either are or at some stage were illegal immigrants.

I consider that the jobs these people are doing is as important as what you and I are doing as engineers and software consultants. Believe me, if you and I are legally here because they cannot find Americans qualified for our jobs, then these illegals are here because there are simply not enough Americans to do these low wage/skill jobs either.

My point is - whether legal or illegal immigrants, we are all here in US aspiring for the same thing - a better std of living and better opportunities. So, I dont think we, as legal immigrants, should look down upon illegal immigrants and declare blindly that they are breaking the law. I think we should fight to make the system better so that both legal and illegals can speedily get GC

 

[techy2468]

gc-despo......speedy gc for illegals???........well all we are saying is we dont care about illegals that is a law and order problem.........we want a better deal for us the legals.

there is a labor shortage does not mean that we have to allow illegals....we can support the guest worker or some other form..

 

[nozdam]

Sorry GC-despo, i do not agree with that at all. There are TONS of americans who wud HAVE to do the low income jobs if there were no illegals to do it. Besides if they came here illegaly they technically have no right to be here. Besides, it is legals like us, who get clubbed with them when immigrants are being cursed and when it comes to getting immigration benefits, we are CONVENIENTLY seperated from the illegals. Sorry for the harshness, but i have no sympathy for the illegals. They are messing our lives up unimaginably.

 

[meg_z]

There are always two totally different arguments about illegal/low paying jobs/business needs etc. I do not want to comment on that. However it is against my moral principles to break the law.

I had more personal contact with people from certain geological locales who came illegally. They mostly had legal status in the US (GC or citizen) by the time I came to know them. I know one person very well. He came illegally following his older sister's steps and filed fake LC through a fake farm in Midwest while he was working using a fake SS card on the east coast, never set a foot on the supposed farm. He just had sworn in as a USC when I started to know him. When he found out my visa status, he even suggested me to buy a fake SS card so my spouse could work. He knew where and how much. His mother-in-law did it and was working while on visitor visa. His younger brother came in recent years when it became difficult/slow to get GC through employment, fake/genuine. They found a USC girl for him to marry!

The problem I have with this is that they do not think they are breaking the laws at all. They always bragged about it. They continue doing it even after they become legal in this country.

 

[khodalmd]

All Democrates are not opposing legal immigration. In senate many democrate voted against Senator Bryd's proposal.
100 % democrates are against some of the propoal of S 1932 (like ANWR, food stamp, and medicareaid)
However, I am not blind supporter of democrate. The two senetors of my state (MD) are supporting legal immigration (they replied my letter in a positive manner

gc-despo....simple question who is proposing s.1932 and who is opposing it??, this will answer the question of republican and democrats being pro immigrant or not?

mad rush happened between 2000-2003, not now, and 75% of those cases are still waiting for visa numbers....

 

[khodalmd]

This is universal truth; " No one can justify illegal immigrant"

If US open door for all, ther are 5 billion people in the world want to come USA.

Are we open the door of our house for unknown/unwanted guests (even if we know that they are poor and need selter?

Please God sack, don't try to justify illegal immigrant.

Sorry GC-despo, i do not agree with that at all. There are TONS of americans who wud HAVE to do the low income jobs if there were no illegals to do it. Besides if they came here illegaly they technically have no right to be here. Besides, it is legals like us, who get clubbed with them when immigrants are being cursed and when it comes to getting immigration benefits, we are CONVENIENTLY seperated from the illegals. Sorry for the harshness, but i have no sympathy for the illegals. They are messing our lives up unimaginably.

 

[gc-despo]

Guys,

I am not justifying illegal immigration. Like the rest of you I too believe that it is against the law of US.

What I am saying is that there are many people in US doing important jobs for the good of the economy who are forced to be illegal immigrants because the system does not allow them to be legal immigrants. My problem is with the broken US immigration system.

I think that the people who are janitors, farm workers, car wash guys, gardeners, house-cleaning people, etc have as much right to GC as software or mechanical engineers. Hence I am saying that we should fight to improve the system so that these people also have valid work visas instead of staying illegals, and eventually join the queue to get GCs just like us legals.

 

[nozdam]

I think that the people who are janitors, farm workers, car wash guys, gardeners, house-cleaning people, etc have as much right to GC as software or mechanical engineers. Hence I am saying that we should fight to improve the system so that these people also have valid work visas instead of staying illegals, and eventually join the queue to get GCs just like us legals.

If those "janitors, farm workers, car wash guys, gardeners, house-cleaning people" have come here LEGALLY then they are Legal Immigrants. Which means they are the same as us. They have followed the procedure. if they havent then LET the Govt Deal with them STERNLY.

 

[pdakwala]

Senate S. 1932 Conferee Instructions Debate and Agreements

We have yet to wait and see how the House-Senate conference process will develop and unfold. However, it is too sad that the businesses have swifted their gears from S. 1932 issue to illegal immigration legislation issue after the Senate passed the S. 1932. The immigrant communty has also lost steam and energy since the passage of the bill in the Senate. Reportedly, the FAIR group that is the Meca of anti-immigration forces has intensified their lobby and campaigns against the S. 1932 immigration packet. It appears that one poisonous pill the group used was that the S. 1932 immigration bills may be better handled as part of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation next year. It was drummed up by some legislators including Lamar Smith, the Congressman from Texas and an Indian website in India even publicized the concept. Such tactics apparently worked in dividing immigration stakeholders. We must congratulate the FAIR for their job well-done.

Source: http://www.immigration-law.com/

Hope people who are coming here are reading this will get more serious and at least start sending their letters. The game is still not over. We can still pull things back in our favor. For god's sake please stop discussing other issues and be agrressive and send letters again.

 

[gc-despo]

If those "janitors, farm workers, car wash guys, gardeners, house-cleaning people" have come here LEGALLY then they are Legal Immigrants. Which means they are the same as us. They have followed the procedure. if they havent then LET the Govt Deal with them STERNLY.

Nozdam,

That is my point. If the "janitors, farm workers, car wash guys, gardeners, house-cleaning people" could have come here legally like us, they would have done so. Problem is that there is no H1-B equivalent for low skilled, but important, jobs, so these people are forced to come here illegally.

We as legal imigs are in far better shapoe than the illegals. Instead of condemning them, we should help them out as well. We should fight for all immigrants, not just legals

 

[pdakwala]

Everyone please stop all the discussion for some time and we all will have to get back to work. I am not sure if anyone have heard anything yet, but there are some news that because of poor efforts since last few days from the immigration community, the anti immigration lobby was able to convince senators to let go section 8001 and 8002 of S1932.

This is very urgent so please start sending letters to all senators and also to Arlen.

Since Arlen Spector was the one who brought this bill back on track after Senator Byrd introduce his amendment. We should get in touch with him again and in fact immediately. His contact information is as follows:

Arlen Specter (R-PA)
Phone: 202-224-4254
Fax: 12022281229
Email: http://specter.senate.gov/index.cfm...ontactInfo.Home

Let's do following things tomorrow.

1. Flood his office with the phone calls and request him to make sure that section 8001 and 8002 of s1932 is included in the final version of the bill.
2. If we have someone from PA (Arlen's state), have him or her to get in touch with his office asap and raise our concern.

Everyone, Game is still not over. We can bring things back on track. Just effort is needed.

 

[techy2468]

pdakwala.....sorry man...but lets say....i have placed few calls...sent faxes....but still want to participate in some kind of debate....becos i have some free time in my hand...i hope u wont mind...

gc-despo......i smell conflict of intrest around you.....you must have some relation with illegal immigrant....or you are missing the whole point....ILLEGAL....means illegal....uninvited.....there are millions of people starving....can you welcome few of them into your home and feed them....