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House Rejects GOP Leaders' Budget Cuts

WASHINGTON - Republicans suffered a startling setback in the House on Thursday, losing a vote on cutting spending for education and health care programs. A broader budget-cutting blueprint targeting the poor, college students and farmers also was in dangerBoth bills are part of a campaign by Republican leaders to burnish their party's budget-cutting credentials as they try to reduce a deficit swelled by spending on the Iraq war and Hurricane Katrina. In both cases, GOP moderates balked.

The 224-209 vote against a $602 billion spending bill for health, education and labor programs disrupted plans by the Republican leaders to finish work on 11 spending bills that would pay for government operations and freeze many agency budgets through next September.

Democrats were unanimous in opposing that one-year appropriations bill. "It betrays our nation's values and its future," said House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md. "It is neither compassionate, conservative nor wise."

A companion deficit-reduction bill that would slice $50 billion from the deficit through the end of the decade, also faces unanimous opposition from Democrats, as well as from many moderate Republicans who are unhappy with cuts to Medicaid, food stamps and college loan subsidies.

It would cut from so-called mandatory programs whose budgets increase automatically every year. The proposed savings are modest considering the $14 trillion the government is set to spend during the five-year period.

Republicans say the measure is a first step to restoring fiscal discipline by curbing rapidly growing benefit programs whose budgets spiral upward each year unless reined in by Congress.

"What we want to have is a good first step in reforming out-of-control entitlement spending," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas.

GOP leaders sent the House into recess after the embarrassing defeat of the spending bill. The 22 GOP defections on that vote cast doubt on whether House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., would bring the broader deficit-reduction bill to the floor later in the day.

"There's a message in this," Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., said of the House vote, "and that's that the people of America are only going to accept so many cuts in health care, in Medicaid, in Medicare, in transportation and other vital areas."

Earlier Thursday, House GOP leaders eased their planned five-year cuts to health and nutrition programs for the poor, trying to win votes from reluctant moderates for the contentious deficit-reduction bill.

That measure would cut the deficit through a combination of new revenues from auctioning television airwaves to wireless companies and myriad cuts to entitlement programs like Medicaid.

The latest concession to moderates involved leaving co-payments for the poorest Medicaid beneficiaries at $3 instead of raising them to $5 and dropping a provision that would have denied free school lunches to about 40,000 children whose parents would lose their food stamps. A provision denying Medicaid nursing home benefits to people with home equity of $500,000 was modified by raising the cap to $750,000.

Those changes came on top of concessions made last week. Then, GOP leaders dropped plans to open an Alaskan wildlife refuge to oil drilling and to allow states to lift a moratorium on oil drilling off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts.

Despite the changes, the core of the five year, $50 billion deficit-reduction bill remains intact. The most recent changes only chipped away at more than $800 million in cuts realized through cutting 300,000 working families from the food stamp program.

On Medicaid, the bill would generate almost $12 billion in savings through new cost-sharing burdens on beneficiaries and by letting states scale back coverage. It also would tighten rules designed to limit the ability of elderly people to shed assets to qualify for nursing home care, lower pharmacy profit margins and encourage pharmacies to issue generic drugs.

Democrats are united in opposition to the measure, objecting to both cuts in programs for the poor and the fact that the deficit-reduction bill would actually increase the deficit when combined with a tax cut bill slated for a vote Friday.

"Only in Washington would you have a deficit reduction project that increases the deficit," said Rep. Earl Pomeroy (news, bio, voting record), D-N.D.

That bill has also run into fierce resistance from moderate Republicans. And more conservative lawmakers such as Jim Ramstad, R-Minn., and Tim Johnson, R-Ill., are unhappy with a provision to increase interest rates and fees paid by student and parent borrowers to help save $14.3 billion from student loans.

The deficit-reduction bill is the first effort in eight years to take on the automatic growth of mandatory programs like Medicaid, which make up about 55 percent of the budget. By comparison, the annual appropriations bills fund about one-third of the budget.

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Associated Press writer Jim Abrams contributed to this story
 
Lost Hope -- Good To Try But No Use

http://www.results.org/website/article.asp?id=1909

NO POINT IN WASTING YOUR TIME ON THIS. ITS A LOST CAUSE...

FROM WEBSITE:

Thanks to RESULTS activists and others, House leaders were forced last Thursday to postpone a vote on the House Budget Committee’s reconciliation bill, H.R.4241, Deficit Reduction Act of 2005. Moderate House Republicans held their ground and Democrats remained united last week against the bill, even after leaders removed provisions for oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. House leadership saw that they did not have the votes to pass H.R.4241. This bill is back on the House agenda for tomorrow.

For months, Congressional leaders have planned cuts in Medicaid, Food Stamps and other important programs to fund tax breaks for the well off. On Nov. 3, the House Budget Committee approved their package of spending cuts, totaling $54 billion, including $9.6 billion from Medicaid and $844 million from food stamps. The House leadership is struggling to get enough votes to pass these harmful cuts because, in part, of the actions of RESULTS volunteers and many of our allies. The proposed House cuts include:
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Not so fast

Don't think it's over yet. Right now the vote still hasn't happen for 4241.

Breaking News from http://www.immigration-law.com

11/17/2005: H.R. 4241 Update

The House has yet to debate this bill even though it was laid on table this afternoon. The House may or may not return to the session this evening. If they don't, they will pick it up early tomorrow. If they do, they are expected to have two hours of debate before they get into roll calls for this bill. It appears that the House resolution on this bill indicates that amendments may not be allowed on the floor for this bill, and it is almost certain that the House will pass H.R. 4241 without the S. 1932 immigration package.
Since the budget reconciliation bills are expected to move to the Senate-House conference committee which is yet to be formed by the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate, people are encouraged to keep sending support letters to the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate plus members of the Senate Judiciary Committee and the House Budget Committee, especially the bill sponsors, to adopt the S.1932 Section 8001 and Section 8002. Traditionally, the Speaker and the President have been nominating the conference members mostly from the members of the Committees in each House that passed the conflicting bills. Please do not give up yet. The fight is not over. Remember Yogi Berra? It ain't over till it is over. Please do not loosen your "bite!" Business and academic communities are extremely important for the last minute push, and we urge each of you to contact your employers to keep contacting these Senators and Congress people starting early tomorrow morning.
 
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I dont think anything is goin g to happen this year. They modified the law in 1999 to recapture unused visa numbers. But at that time H1B was booming. Now its not so bright. hope this bill passes. If this passes without amendments, does s 1932 completely die ?
 
4241 is taking place in the House now

4241 has not been voted yet

House members just come back from recess less than 10 min. ago.

You can watch it on c-span now.

thanks! --ed
 
This democrats are nothing but bunch of morons who do not want to address the deficit issue. Lets pary to god that they do not succeed and republicans win in passing this bill.
 
Did it pass, looks lie it ......

check it out

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/index.asp

Roll: 600
Date: 17-Nov
Issue: H RES 560
Question: On Consideration of the Resolution
Result: P
Title/Description: Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 4241) to provide for reconciliation pursuant to section 201(a) of the concurrent on the budget for fiscal year 2006
 
confusion reigns

Has the HR 4241 passed?

WHat does H. Res. 560 "P" mean? Is it an ammendment within HR4241??
 
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