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gc__aspirant

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It would be nice if someone from immigrationvoice.com could post on a regular basis (may be once in 2 days or so) regarding how much funds have been collected and how much more we need.

I am contributing today ...

Thanks
 

gc-despo

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logiclife said:
Yesterday there was a conference call where members of immigrationvoice.org participated and pooled ideas. The structure for fund-raising is up and running and the flow of funds is thick and fast so far.

We need these funds to work professionally this time with the help of a strategist who will act as a field coach when we work to lobby congress for eliminating retrogression etc.

A lobbyist does not write Java, C++ code when he needs a computer program. Similary, we cannot match the quality of work done by lobbyist to get a legislation passed. Its not our expertise. Previous efforts of meeting with congressmen have generated very very limited results. No member of congress is going to be rude to you and say "get lost". Everyone will respond by saying "Sorry, we will work for you next time.". They like to hear you and they like to respond but not each congressman will actually do something about it. I am not saying that those efforts never work. They do. But do we have the luxury of time until that happens??

TO IDENTIFY the ears that listen most, we need a lobbyist. TO KNOW THE TIMING when to write letter, meet a congressman in person WE NEED A LOBBYIST. TO learn how not to talk like an Oracle programmer but to talk in a way that convinces congress, we need a lobbyist.

Go to immigrationvoice.org and contribute generously. I have been asking only for comments/posts/ideas so far but now I am asking for funds. Either you can wait for "Others" to do something and rely on legislation that might never come. Or you can DO SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF and act on it.

Sitting on H1B forever, until hell freezes over is going to be a lot tougher than contributing few dollars to non-profit org that will work to eliminate retrogression, allow you to file you I-485 and put your GC within visible distance from where you are now. Go to immigrationvoice.org now.

Very well said, Logiclife. May Immigrationvoice.org be successful in all its endeavours
 

gcstrat

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Lobbyist do not come cheap

Guys and Gals

Lobbyist do not come cheap. I recall till the recent nuclear tests conducted by India, the Indian government did not hire any lobbyist firms. And when they started looking for one after the tests, they were in for a "sticker shock".

Can someone in DC call any of the lobbying firms and ask what kind estimates are we looking at?

I know generally for $1500 to $5000, one can get an invitation to a dinner fundraiser by a politician. If we target even 100 politicians, we are looking at $150K to $500K just for such dinners.

We are better off meeting with American Indian Donors (many of whom may be our employers but a lot will not be - most such people are doctors/ lawyers, etc.) who can make a case for us.

Guys and Gals - simple question - can we raise even $150K in one month (assuming Feb is the D-date)? This implies $5K each day. At $100, we need 50 people every day. At $50, we need 100 people every day. At $25, we need 200 people each and every day.

Regards

GCStrat
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rameshNYC

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gurus here, please help

Hi any one here, please clarify this to me. My labor was filed in Jul 2003 under EB3 RIR even though I was qualified under EB2. The case is still in back log centre and so far no 45 day letter. Mean while I got my case filed through PERM under EB2 in Nov and got through labor last week.

My question here is is it possible to use my old PD(Apr,2003 under EB3, still pending at back log center) to my new labor cert(approved under EB2 Nov/approved in Dec)? if so how I can get that and at what stage? If any one of you shed some light if there is possiblity for that I truly appreciate it. Any links or valid proof so that I can forward to my attorney to approach on such possibility.
 
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logiclife

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From Immigrationvoice.org - Editorials that say that Retrogression sucks.

Voter sentiment on elections:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007659

From what I gather from this Wall Street Journal article, a huge majority of Americans support guest-worker program for illegal aliens as long as they live crime-free, learn english etc. And a majority of them also support tough border security so that they dont have to talk about "Guest worker program" in 2016 again.

What is notably absent here is IMMIGRATION REFORM for LEGAL FRIGGING IMMIGRANTS...who pay friggin taxes and file damn petitions and fill out forms for everything: Seek work, changing employers, seeking GC, going home during 485, before arrival and after departure at the airports(I-94), seek EAD during the eternal wait for 485, ordering from Taco bell take-out...etc. Ok. Ok. I made the last one up. But rest is true.

Editorials that support our cause(faster GC for legals) are here. Might serve as good source for arguments when we start writing letters to congress.

Miami Herald:

Flow of Valued Workers is Slowed

Editorial
The Miami Herald
September 23, 2005

OUR OPINION: EASE VISA CAPS TO BOOST U.S. BUSINESSES

A change in the arcane way that immigrant visas are processed is causing shock waves in the business community, and for good reason. Newly announced limits on employer-sponsored immigrant visas threaten to cut off a supply of highly skilled and essential workers for many firms.

The change means that Florida hospitals facing an acute nursing shortage will no longer be able to hire nurses from the Philippines and that technology firms can't rely on talent from India or China. Because there are enormous backlogs of visa applications already being processed, the delays are likely to grow for potential employees from all over the world.

Hunting for specialists

In short, the new restrictions will make getting an employer-sponsored visa for a foreign national impractical if not impossible for years to come. This means that highly skilled talent will go elsewhere, a boon to U.S. competitors overseas. Meanwhile, U.S. employers will go hunting for specialists that this country lacks. When those needed experts can't be found here, the firms would likely consider shipping those highly paid white-collar jobs where employees are, overseas.

This need not happen. The fundamental problem is that U.S. visa limits have no basis in today's reality. Currently only 620,000 immigrant visas are available per year. While the bulk of those are alloted for immigrants petitioned by U.S. relatives, only 140,000 go for immigrants sponsored by businesses. That's less than one-tenth of one percent of the 150 million employees in the U.S. labor market. That number is inadequate for what U.S. industry demands.

Set 15 years ago, the 140,000 cap is outdated. To stay competitive in today's globalized marketplace, U.S. businesses need the best talent worldwide. They also need more employees who understand the demands of international markets.

A business crisis

Ultimately, the U.S. immigration system should be reformed. More urgently, however, short-term fixes can help avert a business-visa crisis.

Congress should lift the 140,000 cap altogether since these visas have a built-in regulator: A foreign worker can be hired only via an employer-sponsored visa when the Labor Department has certified that no American is capable or willing to do the job in question. In fact, 300,000 such visas were left unused in years that the cap was not reached. Another option would be to make those unused visas available.

The cap on temporary visas for highly skilled workers, called H-1Bs, should also be hiked. That the 65,000 H-1B quota was filled in less than two days last year shows the problem. Skilled foreign labor is essential for U.S. industry and our economy's health.
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We love ya Miami...your beaches, your sunshine, and this editorial. All of it.

Please post all editorials and/or URLs here on a thread created on immigrationvoice.org .
 

gc_bronco

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Contribution Statistics on Immigration Voice

gc__aspirant said:
It would be nice if someone from immigrationvoice.com could post on a regular basis (may be once in 2 days or so) regarding how much funds have been collected and how much more we need.

I am contributing today ...

Thanks

gc_aspirant,

Here are the statistics on the contributions so far on Immigration Voice.

http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=25#CollectionsSoFar

We have collected more than $5,000 in just 2 days. To meet our first set of targets, we will need $100,000. We can definitely achieve this if we can get 1000 members contributing $100 each to meet this target.

In that page we also have a section on how the funds are being overseen.

All, do not think that others will do the contribution. We need your contributions now!!!
 
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GOD_BLESS_YOU

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gc_bronco said:
gc_aspirant,

Here are the statistics on the contributions so far on Immigration Voice.

http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=25#CollectionsSoFar

We have collected more than $5,000 in just 2 days. To meet our first set of targets, we will need $100,000. We can definitely achieve this if we can get 1000 members contributing $100 each to meet this target.

In that page we also have a section on how the funds are being overseen.

All, do not think that others will do the contribution. We need your contributions now!!!

Yes I did my contribution just now..
let us raise our voice together on retrogression issue by contributing ..
 

techy2468

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gcstrat.....you definitely got a point.....i am trying to get some information from members who are trying to push for lobbying.....

but so far nothing.....can it be that they do not know anything about it....how is it possible simple google research will give us the information.....and these people say that they have gotten into touch with lobbyist....

I think right now everyone is short sighted.....they are aiming for bills in a months time.....i dont think that a total waste.....but i am against using all our energy for some bills.....we need a long term plan.....

but i have faith that we will mature and grow.....its just that we are waking up now....

PLEASE PEOPLE.....GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT LOBBYING....WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS??...WHAT ARE THE STEPS INVOLVED......WHAT KIND OF MONEY IS INVOLVED.........if you dont have the answers say so.....dont remain silent .....you lose credibility.....
 

sunjoshi

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techy2468 said:
gcstrat.....you definitely got a point.....i am trying to get some information from members who are trying to push for lobbying.....

but so far nothing.....can it be that they do not know anything about it....how is it possible simple google research will give us the information.....and these people say that they have gotten into touch with lobbyist....

I think right now everyone is short sighted.....they are aiming for bills in a months time.....i dont think that a total waste.....but i am against using all our energy for some bills.....we need a long term plan.....

but i have faith that we will mature and grow.....its just that we are waking up now....

PLEASE PEOPLE.....GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT LOBBYING....WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS??...WHAT ARE THE STEPS INVOLVED......WHAT KIND OF MONEY IS INVOLVED.........if you dont have the answers say so.....dont remain silent .....you lose credibility.....

Techy,

Appreciate your advise.

I am interested to know what your 'Long term Visions' are. Agreed , we are looking at short-term goals (since we intend to get our GCs sooner rather than in 10 years).

There is already a link posted above giving details about fund collection and target etc, pls feel free to refer to it. We have a long ways to go.

I am not sure if you are being encouraging or sarcastic, in any case, nothing we have done so far is hurting our credibility. Infact the response has been great. Our meetings with the strategists are going great and there was never before such purpose for the cause, as right now within the team.
We will also post a brief but high level objectives and vision with the effort. The plan is already in place to meet some of the most influential ones on the subject matter. Due to obvious reasons we will not post the entire strategy, names etc in a public forum, and if you are so interested, should become a core-team member, attend our conference calls and help out. This involves time and effort.
Please be appreciative of the fact that there are several of us doing this personal sacrifice of time, energy and money with no gaurantees of a GC or anything. Its just pure effort and dedication. If that doesn't earn credibility, I am sure your posts certainly don't.

Step up, and be counted, or just watch. Pls don't discourage.

By the way, I just setup another meeting with the staff of another congressman today.

Happy 'fishing' for your GC.
 

kewl

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well said, sunjoshi. Pls keep up.

I'm planning to send donation.

sunjoshi said:
Techy,

Appreciate your advise.

I am interested to know what your 'Long term Visions' are. Agreed , we are looking at short-term goals (since we intend to get our GCs sooner rather than in 10 years).

There is already a link posted above giving details about fund collection and target etc, pls feel free to refer to it. We have a long ways to go.

I am not sure if you are being encouraging or sarcastic, in any case, nothing we have done so far is hurting our credibility. Infact the response has been great. Our meetings with the strategists are going great and there was never before such purpose for the cause, as right now within the team.
We will also post a brief but high level objectives and vision with the effort. The plan is already in place to meet some of the most influential ones on the subject matter. Due to obvious reasons we will not post the entire strategy, names etc in a public forum, and if you are so interested, should become a core-team member, attend our conference calls and help out. This involves time and effort.
Please be appreciative of the fact that there are several of us doing this personal sacrifice of time, energy and money with no gaurantees of a GC or anything. Its just pure effort and dedication. If that doesn't earn credibility, I am sure your posts certainly don't.

Step up, and be counted, or just watch. Pls don't discourage.

By the way, I just setup another meeting with the staff of another congressman today.

Happy 'fishing' for your GC.
 

gcstrat

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Lobbying costs for naive clients can go uptp $100,000 per month

Please read the following article from the CongressDailyAM - It mentions $100,000 per month as possible fees for a naive client!!!!

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LOBBYING — Panel: Standards For Contingency Fees, Bonuses Subject

Mark Wegner
© National Journal Group, Inc.

For a lobbyist, how much is too much? And does that include a bonus?

Those were the questions for a gathering of about 50 lobbyists, who turned up Thursday for a forum on how much lobbyists should charge for their work and how they should be paid.

Much of the discussion focused on whether it is appropriate for lobbyists to collect contingency fees or bonuses that are awarded when they achieve a client's goals.

The discussion at times drifted into the practices of GOP lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who is under investigation for collecting millions of dollars in lobbying fees from six American Indian tribes.

House Democrats this week referred to Abramoff's ties to House Majority Leader DeLay to try to force a debate on the ethical standards of GOP leaders.

Lobbyists said media reports about Abramoff's fees immediately raised red flags among lobbyists, but they noted that it is not always clear cut on how much to charge clients.

Wright Andrews, an attorney and lobbyist who served on the panel, said some of Washington's lobbyists have great influence and can set up a meeting or sway a vote just by making a phone call.

"It's perfectly appropriate to charge more if you can deliver," Andrews said. "There are a lot of people in town we know that don't have 'silver bullet' capabilities. There are people who have ... more political clout. They are worth more."

Andrews said some clients are willing to pay more to a lobbyist for a short amount of time, especially if that lobbyist's access can influence an impending, crucial vote.

Some lobbyists in attendance suggested the market often sets lobbying rates.

Andrews said corporate clients with Washington experience know what reasonable fees are, but he asked whether it is fair to charge a naive client or foreign government $100,000 a month.
"I know I couldn't ever get a corporate client to pay nearly that much," he said.

Andrews said there are many ways lobbyists charge for lobbying work, and arrangements depend on whether the lobbying is simply monitoring an issue, actively working a member, tapping personal connections or using political capital.

Ted Goldman, who helped start Legal Times' lobbying newsletter, Influence, said lobbyists must communicate clearly about "what the client wants and what he's going to get" for lobbying work.

Attorney and lobbyist Tom Susman, who chairs the American League of Lobbyists ethics committee, said at the federal level there are relatively few limits on lobbyists accepting contingency fees or a "success bonus." He said federal law prohibits foreign agents from paying such fees, while the so-called Byrd Amendment prevents a client from paying a fee out of the government contract a lobbyist helped secure.

Andrews said he uses a "facts and circumstances test" on a case-by-case basis to determine whether a contingency fee might create a conflict of interest with other clients or force a lobbyist to use questionable methods to meet a clients' objective.

"I don't see anything wrong in contingency fees," he said. "If it's over the top, I think that's a different issue."

Some lobbyists said many of their clients are small and cannot afford to spend much money in Washington's lobbying game. In these cases, lobbyist might charge clients a relatively small flat fee but reap a higher commission if their lobbying is successful.

Center for Ethics in Government Director Peggy Kerns, who tracks state lobbying, said about 30 states prohibit contingency fees in part because it might disadvantage interests that cannot afford to spend as much on lobbying as rivals.

She said changes in state lobbying laws are often driven by typically negative news reports about Washington lobbying. She said state definitions of lobbying have grown more expansive.

"Suddenly now the whole world becomes a lobbyist," she said. "Why is that? I think that too often the media frames what you all do."

Or as Susman framed it for lobbyists, "How would you like to read about it in the newspaper? And more importantly, how would you like your mother to read about it in the newspapers?"

CongressDailyAM
 

gc_bronco

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gcstrat said:
Good article from the The Democratic Center.


Regards
GCStrat :)

Good find GCStrat. I have put this in the immigrationvoice forum also so that the volunteers there can use it.
 

WaldenPond

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techy2468 said:
gcstrat.....you definitely got a point.....i am trying to get some information from members who are trying to push for lobbying.....

but so far nothing.....can it be that they do not know anything about it....how is it possible simple google research will give us the information.....and these people say that they have gotten into touch with lobbyist....

I think right now everyone is short sighted.....they are aiming for bills in a months time.....i dont think that a total waste.....but i am against using all our energy for some bills.....we need a long term plan.....

but i have faith that we will mature and grow.....its just that we are waking up now....

PLEASE PEOPLE.....GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT LOBBYING....WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS??...WHAT ARE THE STEPS INVOLVED......WHAT KIND OF MONEY IS INVOLVED.........if you dont have the answers say so.....dont remain silent .....you lose credibility.....


Hey Techy,

Good to see your post. I would hope that the intent of your post is good for H1/GC community. Here is the message conveyed in of your post.

1.) The post continues to raise skepticism over any effort that anybody out there is doing.
2.) You use the subject of some thread as ‘No politics …. No scam’ and post misleading content just to raise doubt rather than come forward and participate and be part of the solution.
3.) Without providing anything concrete to say and simply lift flag on the credibility on people just because they wants to do something.
4.) Use terms like “faith”, ‘mature”, “grow” and “long term plan” to weaken a movement rather than any words of encouragement.
5.) You expect people to work like large management companies, analyze the problem for years and then come up to convince you with “Long Term Plan” and ask you for your $25.
5.) This is the bottom line. The objective of your posts is to weaken any effort that guys on www.immigrationvoice.org are putting towards lobbying effort.


Here the response to the message that your’s post conveys:

You did try to post the same type on message on other forum too where first of all you tried to raise doubts about if we should do lobbying or not. Then you backed-off and started with these new “constructive” efforts. Here is the link for everybody to see the other post:

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21

Now, allow us to question your intent when you post messages with cynicism and pessimism and attempt to create suspicion and distrust for any lobbying efforts. Let me tell you my friend, ask your consciousness that what you have to offer before you ask anybody what their plan is. Be part of the solution rather than be part of the problem even though being part of the solution is tougher.

Here is the difference. You post convey a message to the community that it is too costly and too difficult to standup for us (negative). You need a “long term plan” for World Peace before you would start doing anything (negative). You do not want anybody to stand up for my cause because you do not feel motivated enough to do the same (negative). You want detailed information on public forum so that anti-immigrants would also see the details of what we are trying to do (negative).

Here is the message that we at www.immigrationvoice.org are trying to convey. The resources are definitely needed to standup for ourselves and it will be a tough challenge, but collectively we can all pull it off. (positive). We do not have a long term plan as we are guys like other people on this forum and this is where we met each other during S1932 fight. However, we know where we are going and for things we do not know, we will figure it out, together (positive). We feel motivated enough to do this, request for contributions and we are putting in efforts to manage the needed resources ourselves(positive). If people want to know, core team members are contributing between $500-$1000. And we know that even $1000 per person from the core team will not make it to get the entire amount but money here is the symbol of energy, commitment and motivation. It is a symbol of our political will and what we stand for (positive).

You appear to from the lot who go to gathering where there are similar people, take pride in discussing about your knowledge about the H1/GC process and the new developments and cannot stop talking about the GC statuses and progress of every person you meet from H1/GC community. People like you would even talk for hours on this subject telling others about how you contribute to the economy. But you know what, in the end you come here and simply post cynical messages without offering for your “Long Term Plan”.

This thing is going to get over by February-05. Best of luck with your “long term plan” buddy. You make your plan and we will do what we have to do. The world will not wait for your “Long Term Plans”. You want detailed information about of the plan on open forums. Please let me ask you this? Are you friends with anti-immigrant campaign/lobbyist? You do not have any specific plan to offer and if people who got together on this forum are trying to bring everybody on a single platform to achieve some progress, rather than constructively contributing to the cause, you simply are putting in negative efforts to send the wrong message. The message of your post is to project situation of uncertainty so that people who are affected by retrogression problem would not join hands to contribute for the lobbying efforts. So even though the subject of the other thread that you started is “No politics …. No scam’, that is essentially what you are doing. I have a better suggestion for you. Go join ‘Laloo Prasad Yadav’. He needs you more than this group.

Asking question is not bad and sharing information would help this effort. But your post has not been written with that intent which basically is the flaw with your post.

Please allow me to request you to not do any contribution at www.immigrationvoice.org. Even though I doubt that someone like would have made any contribution. If you have, please mention on this forum so that we could send your contribution back to you and tell you ‘Thank You but no Thank You”. We need people who are motivated and who may not be professional management consultants with black suits but are willing to put in time, effort and resources to provide a solution rather than raise simply raise doubt.

Guys, if we learnt from history, a lot of wars were lost because of insider like Techy who will find some reason to not do anything and find some ways to raise skepticism by using words like “faith” and “Long term Plan”. Allow me to share with you his long term goal “Not do anything because nothing is perfect”. And the problem is the when we go to do the effort with lawmakers, it is people like Techy who wants us to spend time responding to his posts that are written with negative and harmful intent to the cause and relate the effort that other people are putting in negative connotation.

We are going to do it and going to do it all the way. Our intent is good and we will stay positive. And with that approach we know that more good people will come and help us/themselves.

WaldenPond
 

techy2468

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sorry sunjoshi....it think its just a difference of opinion..

i really appreciate you taking time out to meet congressman and working on immigrationvoice.com......there is no denying of your contributions..

but i somehow dont beleive in cloak and dagger......i think if there is more good than bad....you should make it public.....if you are afraid of enemies....you are not gaining trust of friends also...

i hope to join all of you soon....
 

pdakwala

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techy2468 said:
gcstrat.....you definitely got a point.....i am trying to get some information from members who are trying to push for lobbying.....

but so far nothing.....can it be that they do not know anything about it....how is it possible simple google research will give us the information.....and these people say that they have gotten into touch with lobbyist....

I think right now everyone is short sighted.....they are aiming for bills in a months time.....i dont think that a total waste.....but i am against using all our energy for some bills.....we need a long term plan.....

but i have faith that we will mature and grow.....its just that we are waking up now....

PLEASE PEOPLE.....GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT LOBBYING....WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS??...WHAT ARE THE STEPS INVOLVED......WHAT KIND OF MONEY IS INVOLVED.........if you dont have the answers say so.....dont remain silent .....you lose credibility.....
Hey Techy2468,

If you really want to know what we are doing, why don't you spend some time with us on the conference call. Also keep yourself ready to travel to washington if you really want to know about our contact with the Lobbyist and people in Washington.

After reading to your posting it sounds like you are planning to contribute 25k or more. Why don't you tell everyone how much you will contribute if you get the answers. Nothing is free in this world. To achieve something you have to give something.

You want us to disclose all the information about lobbyist. I don't know what to tell you now. Have you seen any company or organization who will disclose the lobbying information openly on the forum. You are working closely with ISNAMERICA. Why don't you tell them to post openly on this forum what they are planning to do. Let's see how much friendly you are.
 
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techy2468

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pdakwala...do you mean...if i pay....25k...my opinion will carry more weight??

to tell you the truth....i am willing to pay upto 40k to uscis...if they can gaurentee my GC in 12-18 months......becos i lose that much amount of earning every year......and i cannot quantify the loss of peace of mind, career growth and personal life.....

once again....its just a difference of opinion....i believe in public debate....you guys want to do things for an members only club.
 
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