techy2468 said:
gcstrat.....you definitely got a point.....i am trying to get some information from members who are trying to push for lobbying.....
but so far nothing.....can it be that they do not know anything about it....how is it possible simple google research will give us the information.....and these people say that they have gotten into touch with lobbyist....
I think right now everyone is short sighted.....they are aiming for bills in a months time.....i dont think that a total waste.....but i am against using all our energy for some bills.....we need a long term plan.....
but i have faith that we will mature and grow.....its just that we are waking up now....
PLEASE PEOPLE.....GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT LOBBYING....WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS??...WHAT ARE THE STEPS INVOLVED......WHAT KIND OF MONEY IS INVOLVED.........if you dont have the answers say so.....dont remain silent .....you lose credibility.....
Hey Techy,
Good to see your post. I would hope that the intent of your post is good for H1/GC community. Here is the message conveyed in of your post.
1.) The post continues to raise skepticism over any effort that anybody out there is doing.
2.) You use the subject of some thread as ‘No politics …. No scam’ and post misleading content just to raise doubt rather than come forward and participate and be part of the solution.
3.) Without providing anything concrete to say and simply lift flag on the credibility on people just because they wants to do something.
4.) Use terms like “faith”, ‘mature”, “grow” and “long term plan” to weaken a movement rather than any words of encouragement.
5.) You expect people to work like large management companies, analyze the problem for years and then come up to convince you with “Long Term Plan” and ask you for your $25.
5.) This is the bottom line. The objective of your posts is to weaken any effort that guys on
www.immigrationvoice.org are putting towards lobbying effort.
Here the response to the message that your’s post conveys:
You did try to post the same type on message on other forum too where first of all you tried to raise doubts about if we should do lobbying or not. Then you backed-off and started with these new “constructive” efforts. Here is the link for everybody to see the other post:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21
Now, allow us to question your intent when you post messages with cynicism and pessimism and attempt to create suspicion and distrust for any lobbying efforts. Let me tell you my friend, ask your consciousness that what you have to offer before you ask anybody what their plan is. Be part of the solution rather than be part of the problem even though being part of the solution is tougher.
Here is the difference. You post convey a message to the community that it is too costly and too difficult to standup for us (negative). You need a “long term plan” for World Peace before you would start doing anything (negative). You do not want anybody to stand up for my cause because you do not feel motivated enough to do the same (negative). You want detailed information on public forum so that anti-immigrants would also see the details of what we are trying to do (negative).
Here is the message that we at
www.immigrationvoice.org are trying to convey. The resources are definitely needed to standup for ourselves and it will be a tough challenge, but collectively we can all pull it off. (positive). We do not have a long term plan as we are guys like other people on this forum and this is where we met each other during S1932 fight. However, we know where we are going and for things we do not know, we will figure it out, together (positive). We feel motivated enough to do this, request for contributions and we are putting in efforts to manage the needed resources ourselves(positive). If people want to know, core team members are contributing between $500-$1000. And we know that even $1000 per person from the core team will not make it to get the entire amount but money here is the symbol of energy, commitment and motivation. It is a symbol of our political will and what we stand for (positive).
You appear to from the lot who go to gathering where there are similar people, take pride in discussing about your knowledge about the H1/GC process and the new developments and cannot stop talking about the GC statuses and progress of every person you meet from H1/GC community. People like you would even talk for hours on this subject telling others about how you contribute to the economy. But you know what, in the end you come here and simply post cynical messages without offering for your “Long Term Plan”.
This thing is going to get over by February-05. Best of luck with your “long term plan” buddy. You make your plan and we will do what we have to do. The world will not wait for your “Long Term Plans”. You want detailed information about of the plan on open forums. Please let me ask you this? Are you friends with anti-immigrant campaign/lobbyist? You do not have any specific plan to offer and if people who got together on this forum are trying to bring everybody on a single platform to achieve some progress, rather than constructively contributing to the cause, you simply are putting in negative efforts to send the wrong message. The message of your post is to project situation of uncertainty so that people who are affected by retrogression problem would not join hands to contribute for the lobbying efforts. So even though the subject of the other thread that you started is “No politics …. No scam’, that is essentially what you are doing. I have a better suggestion for you. Go join ‘Laloo Prasad Yadav’. He needs you more than this group.
Asking question is not bad and sharing information would help this effort. But your post has not been written with that intent which basically is the flaw with your post.
Please allow me to request you to not do any contribution at
www.immigrationvoice.org. Even though I doubt that someone like would have made any contribution. If you have, please mention on this forum so that we could send your contribution back to you and tell you ‘Thank You but no Thank You”. We need people who are motivated and who may not be professional management consultants with black suits but are willing to put in time, effort and resources to provide a solution rather than raise simply raise doubt.
Guys, if we learnt from history, a lot of wars were lost because of insider like Techy who will find some reason to not do anything and find some ways to raise skepticism by using words like “faith” and “Long term Plan”. Allow me to share with you his long term goal “Not do anything because nothing is perfect”. And the problem is the when we go to do the effort with lawmakers, it is people like Techy who wants us to spend time responding to his posts that are written with negative and harmful intent to the cause and relate the effort that other people are putting in negative connotation.
We are going to do it and going to do it all the way. Our intent is good and we will stay positive. And with that approach we know that more good people will come and help us/themselves.
WaldenPond
