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Result of the court hearing 12th July 2010

Guyz relax, Mr. White himself referenced the letter and was asked by the judge to provide a copy. The defendants said nothing about the letter.
 
He was present at the hearing and probably is doing his regular routine now. He probably needs to work or study for the time he spent on the hearing. I am also waiting for his story how the hearing went.
 
Mr. White himself referenced the letter and was asked by the judge to provide a copy
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I think the court wants to see DOS responses to that letter if any. They could contain valuable information as well.
However, if either of those letters are of real value to at least one of the parties, they would have been already present them to court.
 
Dubbies said:
raevsky, I think ur mistaking because the reference letter u posted above is the aftermath, while the one the court is asking for is the one he wrote before DOS made the decision of voiding the may 1st results! So these was not the first letter he wrote to DOS! I could remember, the first letter had links proving his points on how the majority of the 1st May winners came from the first two days (5th and 6th)
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To help you guys out, this is the link you want to refer to http://www.ilw.com/articles/2011,0517-white.shtm

I don't think it is any fatal blow to the case. The letter was sent on May 10 but the website was done from 6 and explanations from DoS indicated that they realized it around May 6. In that regard, I don't think DoS acted on Mr. White's letter. He made that reference in May 25 letter, with the assumption that DoS received his letter an acted on it. Presumptively, he could be wrong in his May 10 letter that results were not random. He could also be right be that it was random. But most importantly he has changed his position on further review of the results that it was random. It is nothing fatal. Besides, there are others under issues beneath the issue of random.

But even in that May 10 post, his last sentence was "The cardinal principle underlying the DV-Lottery is that it is supposed to be random. DV-2012 was not. We look forward to the reaction of the Department of State. At the least, we urge it to take steps to ensure that the 50,000 green card allotment is exhausted – as Congress intended."

And in his May 25 letter he said "while correcting on injustice another is created."

Again, I don't see this as any fatal blow to plaintiffs' case. It's upto the court to decide this case. Worst case scenario there are two lawyers (Mr. White and Mr. Piston), Mr Piston can take over.

Again, no one is certain to win in this case so no need for joy or sorrow at these procedural arguments that both parties are raising.
 
raevsky said:
I think the court wants to see DOS responses to that letter if any.
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If I remember well, the only communication Mr. White received from DOS was a short email announcing that an OIG investigation would take place. All his other letters remained unanswered.
 
nothing happen at the court

hello,i went the court house at washington D.C today to listen to the case decision i discovered that nothing like that has been flied in the court house i look into their computer to see the list of case they have but could not found anything like that...for more infomation u can me on +3013233383.
 
Kwame O said:
To help you guys out, this is the link you want to refer to http://www.ilw.com/articles/2011,0517-white.shtm

I don't think it is any fatal blow to the case. The letter was sent on May 10 but the website was done from 6 and explanations from DoS indicated that they realized it around May 6. In that regard, I don't think DoS acted on Mr. White's letter. He made that reference in May 25 letter, with the assumption that DoS received his letter an acted on it. Presumptively, he could be wrong in his May 10 letter that results were not random. He could also be right be that it was random. But most importantly he has changed his position on further review of the results that it was random. It is nothing fatal. Besides, there are others under issues beneath the issue of random.

But even in that May 10 post, his last sentence was "The cardinal principle underlying the DV-Lottery is that it is supposed to be random. DV-2012 was not. We look forward to the reaction of the Department of State. At the least, we urge it to take steps to ensure that the 50,000 green card allotment is exhausted – as Congress intended."

And in his May 25 letter he said "while correcting on injustice another is created."

Again, I don't see this as any fatal blow to plaintiffs' case. It's upto the court to decide this case. Worst case scenario there are two lawyers (Mr. White and Mr. Piston), Mr Piston can take over.

Again, no one is certain to win in this case so no need for joy or sorrow at these procedural arguments that both parties are raising.
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thanks @kwame.. glad to see you again, and as always very educative!
Guys here is the post.. and i remember posting it on one of my posts ages ago
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1Joy, Disappointment, and Scandal: Department of State Notifies DV-2012 Winners: Posted on May 7, 2011 by admin
The day that millions of people waited for the world over ended in … scandal. On May 1 DV-2012 Lottery participants learned their fate: whether their entries were selected, or were being told “better luck next year (if there is a Lottery next year).” But what the losing participants did not count on was that the overwhelming majority of winners were those who submitted their entries on October 5 and 6, 2010, the first two days of the DV-2012 Lottery. For DV-2012, the “early birds” did get the proverbial worm – the right to pursue immigrant visa applications at US consular posts abroad or adjust status to permanent resident if lawfully located in the United States.

As a reminder, the Department of State accepted DV-2012 entries from October 5 until November 3, 2010. DOS encouraged applicants not to wait “until the last week” to submit their entries in order to avoid being locked out of the system by an expected surge in last-minute applications. In its DV-2012 instructions, DOS notified applicants that “the computer will randomly select individuals from among all qualified entries.” Absent from these instructions was notification that in order to be considered “qualified”, one needed to have submitted his entry on October 5th and 6th, at least for the overwhelming majority of those being selected.

I first learned of the Fivers and Sixers from two independent, reliable DV sources in Uzbekistan and Ukraine. I then checked out a few Internet fora (which I rarely do), and found that they were ablaze with fury. This link has a representative discussion: http://forums.immigration.com/showth...as-a-SCAM-!!!& According to one entry, “… there is the user on this forum that claims his company prepared 252643 entries and had been submitting them 10000-12000 per day from 7 to 29. First day – on 6th they were submitting fewer entries (2250) as they were testing. AND THE WINNERS WERE: 1301 wins on 6th, 0 wins from 7 till 17, 57 wins from 18 to 29.” The consensus appears to be that a minor bug in the computer’s algorithm led to the problem, although this is of course little succor to those not selected.

One side effect of this skewed selection is that numerous husband and wife entrants each were selected. Obviously, qualified individuals in the same family are likely to submit their separate entries at or about the same time. As a result, husbands and wives who submitted on October 5th and 6th were more likely to be selected separately than if the entries were selected evenly over the 30 day registration period. Because only one “winning ticket” will be used per family, this could have the ultimate effect of reducing the number of immigrant visa applicants and visas issued below the standard allotment of 50,000.

To date, the Department of State has not announced the official results of DV-2012 (number of participants, country-by-country breakdown of the selectees) or commented on the skewed results. In the meanwhile, we encourage those affected to contact the Office of Inspector General at the Department of State to express your concern. E-mail address: oighotline@state.gov One should of course include identifying information – including name, confirmation number, country of birth, date of birth, date of submission, and contact telephone number.

The cardinal principle underlying the DV-Lottery is that it is supposed to be random. DV-2012 was not. We look forward to the reaction of the Department of State. At the least, we urge it to take steps to ensure that the 50,000 green card allotment is exhausted – as Congress intended."

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nothing happen at the court house today in reguard to dvlottery 2012 winner let hope till july15 to see what will happen.i was there this morning to hear the decision.checking the list on case been held today i found nothing like that....if u want to know the real fact call my number +13013233383.one of the winner
 
ayoboy81 said:
nothing happen at the court house today in reguard to dvlottery 2012 winner let hope till july15 to see what will happen.i was there this morning to hear the decision.checking the list on case been held today i found nothing like that....if u want to know the real fact call my number +13013233383.one of the winner
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Are under influence of something?
 
ayoboy81 said:
nothing happen at the court house today in reguard to dvlottery 2012 winner let hope till july15 to see what will happen.i was there this morning to hear the decision.checking the list on case been held today i found nothing like that....if u want to know the real fact call my number +13013233383.one of the winner
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@ Ayo, u just wrote that you were at the court house and nothing happened. So why should forumite call you?
 
From Mr White faq "12. I understand that you originally believed that the results were not random. Will
this affect our case?

This issue was dealt with on my blog of May 25, 2011. As noted, many experts, including
members of our group, have educated me on this issue and I feel comfortable and definitive
that the original results were random. To put this in to a sports fan’s language, thousands of
individuals, including myself, called for a “foul” by publicly questioning the randomness of the
drawing after learning of the skewed results. But with the benefit of review (“replay”), we can
see that there was no “foul”. Regardless of the fans’ opinions, it is of course up to the “referee”
– the Department of State – to get the call right. That was not done here.

In addition, no one – including myself – called for the invalidation of the results. No one called
on DOS to disavow its commitment to the 22,000 winners.

Finally, I have discussed this issue with Ethics Counsel and reviewed my pertinent bar rules. I
am on firm ethical grounds going forward representing this group.

As mentioned, any one of the group is entitled to find and retain his own attorney."
 
Well I hope the court hearing comes to a result everybody can agree to whether the selectees do get their chance to move on or not, I'm sure the result is a reasonable one.

As for me I have left sunny Montreal last week and now in Sunny sunnier Detroit awaiting my GC to come through the post :)
 
I spent 1 year in montreal... how do u like Detroit?
ProudFrenchJap! said:
Well I hope the court hearing comes to a result everybody can agree to whether the selectees do get their chance to move on or not, I'm sure the result is a reasonable one.

As for me I have left sunny Montreal last week and now in Sunny sunnier Detroit awaiting my GC to come through the post :)
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