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Result of the court hearing 12th July 2010

Anyway, it looks like Amin is really giving random answers in his affidavit (in the meaning without definite aim or purpose). However, plaintiffs still do not have a chance. But they could be able to prove this affidavit is inaccurate as well.
 
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Egor says:
July 13, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Here’s the question asked by the Judge during the hearing: “If you press the “random” button on your CD player and it only plays first two tracks — would you think this CD player is broken? Or is it okay as long as there’s no direction, rule or method?”
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Well the soap opera continues...
 
that's a killer question, & i guess that we will all think there is a problem with the CD... but, sometimes in my ipod, i can hear the same song 3 to 4 times after pressin "forward 10 times"
patem said:
Well the soap opera continues...
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raevsky said:
That is because Amin also did not notice the correct meaning of random in the dictionary. But anyway, being random is not the property of result, it is a property of algorithm.
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As I read from White's blog, that question was posed to the plantiffs not DOS unfortunately!!!
 
No it is not broken because random suppose to be unexpected outcome. Sometimes, the cd plays only one track and stop. Sometimes, it plays track one, jump to track 10, come back again to track one.



jayo2k said:
that's a killer question, & i guess that we will all think there is a problem with the CD... but, sometimes in my ipod, i can hear the same song 3 to 4 times after pressin "forward 10 times"
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I know, but the presemption would be that it is broken...
I guess we will know tomorow... well meaning that july 15 is definitely happening, either the new redraw results or the may first result on july 15...
Cliff2 said:
No it is not broken because random suppose to be unexpected outcome. Sometimes, the cd plays only one track and stop. Sometimes, it plays track one, jump to track 10, come back again to track one.
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Cliff2 said:
No it is not broken because random suppose to be unexpected outcome. Sometimes, the cd plays only one track and stop. Sometimes, it plays track one, jump to track 10, come back again to track one.
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The question is wrong. If the player plays first 22 000 or even first 100 songs out of 15 million. Is it broken? YES. The judge seems to be on their side..I guess this is it for us..
 
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Joe says:
July 13, 2011 at 10:16 pm
This question was asked by judge in support of the theory that the results have NOT been random.

The point here is that the lottery with error has run only once. in CD player example, if you press the random button and the first two songs plays, it is a random result the first time you run it. But as soon as you learn that it is always playing the first 2 songs then it is not random any more due to your knowledge being able to predict the selections.
The same for DV 2012 Lottery, if current procedure with the exact same mechanism including the error is going to be deployed for next year’s drawing, then it is not random any more only because of the knowledge of people knowing the order beforehand.
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15th july is just hours away...the best is to wait till this day..
 
USAnDream said:
If the player plays first 22 000 or even first 100 songs out of 15 million. Is it broken? YES.
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That is not right. Even if the probability is close to zero it can happen.

The same for DV 2012 Lottery, if current procedure with the exact same mechanism including the error is going to be deployed for next year’s drawing, then it is not random any more only because of the knowledge of people knowing the order beforehand.
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Wait, to proof that you need to run the draw at least a second time with that program.
 
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No it is not, If you have 15mil songs to be played at random in ipod or cd, Trust me, all the songs will not be played.


USAnDream said:
The question is wrong. If the player plays first 22 000 or even first 100 songs out of 15 million. Is it broken? YES. The judge seems to be on their side..I guess this is it for us..
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well, the software didn't choose the first 22k read propelly... anyway, i just want all this drama to end damn it... many of us may have been reselected again but don't even know it yet
Tazmania said:
That is not right. Even if the probability is close to zero it can happen.
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patem said:
Well the soap opera continues...
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I wouldn't say it is broken. When you analogized this with an iPod, sometimes on the iPod when you press "shuffle songs" it can play track 1, track 2 and track 3 in that order before it even plays track 50 or something. Is the iPod broken then? Certainly not. Back to the cd player,playing only track 1 & 2 does not make it non-random. It could have played from track 1 to track 2 or from track 1 to track 2.
 
Kwame O said:
I wouldn't say it is broken. When you analogized this with an iPod, sometimes on the iPod when you press "shuffle songs" it can play track 1, track 2 and track 3 in that order before it even plays track 50 or something. Is the iPod broken then? Certainly not. Back to the cd player,playing only track 1 & 2 does not make it non-random. It could have played from track 1 to track 2 or from track 1 to track 2.
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It's interesting to see how everyone is interpreting stuffs to his/ her own understanding. The judge will have the final word. Like I keep saying, the case is not a certain win or lose for DoS or Mr. White. It can go either way.
 
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