Pushing of I 485 filling as an interim relief or not

khodalmd said:
CIR is already introduced in the Senate with S 9 bill number but still text of the bill is not finalized.

Couple of things are prove hurdle to finalize the draft of CIR.

First is path of citizenship to 12 millions illegals. Lawmakers are divided on this issue.

Second, USCIS at its current capability, not able to handle all of sudden millions of cases. They requested Congress to provide fund to upgrade its system. System up gradation will take few years and big budget.
so this is a new version, different from last year?
are skil bill provisions included?
who introduced the bill? I cannot find S 9 bill at senate.gov

thanks
 
We should target October 2008 for a deadline on immigration reform i.e. presidential elections. Anything before that will be a bonus.


khodalmd said:
Immigration-law.com reported that chances of EB provisions are slim. But you never know, anything can happen last moment !!

http://www.immigration-law.com/


02/08/2007: Chances for Immigration-Related Attachments to the FY 2007 Appropriation Legislation Slim

* The House passed on January 29, 2007 the Appropriation Bill and forwarded it to the Senate. Unless another Continuing Resolution is agreeed upon between the House and the Senate, the Senate intends to pass the bill before February 15, 2007, the expiration date of the current Continuing Resolution that has been funding federal government pending the enactment of the FY 2007 Appropriation legislation.
* The Appropriation Bill, H.J. Res 20, does not have any immigration-related attachments. Besides, the Senate Majority Reids announced that he would oppose any amendments or earmarks introducted in the Senate and for that purpose, he was willing to introduce Motion for Cloture quickly. The Congress wants to enact FY 2007 Appropriation legislation before it is tangled with the President proposed FY 2008 Budget legislation.
* It is thus likely that the immigration legislation may have to go through the Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation process which may take place next month, March 2007.
 
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Here is the link

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas

if you found broken link, go to http://thomas.loc.gov/ and search for bill S 9

As you know, all the pending bills of 109th Congress are dead and they can be re-introduced in 110th Congress with new number. It could be little different than last year CIR. Most probably SKIL and AgJob will be included in new CIR. Still text of bill is not out


gcwhenever said:
so this is a new version, different from last year?
are skil bill provisions included?
who introduced the bill? I cannot find S 9 bill at senate.gov

thanks
 
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Continuous Resolution bill (HJ Res. 20) is now on the floor of Senate. House has already passed it. Yesterday, Senate filed "Motion of Cloture". If MOC pass today, it will have limited discussion and amendments. Following amendments were presented to HJ Res. 20 (unfortunately nothing related to immigration). I guess, no chance of further amendments for this bill. We have to move forward toward SKIL (which is still not introduced in Congress) or CIR.

Amendments:

TEXT OF AMENDMENTS -- (Senate - February 08, 2007)

[Page: S1809] GPO's PDF

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SA 237. Mr. REID proposed an amendment to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; as follows:

At the end of the resolution add the following;

This division shall take effect 2 days after date of enactment.



SA 238. Mr. REID proposed an amendment to amendment SA 237 proposed by Mr. Reid to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; as follows:

In the amendment strike 2 and insert 1.



SA 239. Mr. REID proposed an amendment to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; as follows:

At the end of the resolution add the following;

This division shall take effect 5 days after date of enactment.



SA 240. Mr. REID proposed an amendment to amendment SA 239 proposed by Mr. REID to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; as follows:

In the amendment strike 5 and insert 4.



SA 241. Mr. REID proposed an amendment to amendment SA 240 proposed by Mr. REID to the amendment SA 239 proposed by Mr. REID to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; as follows:

[Page: S1810] GPO's PDF

In the amendment strike 4 and insert 3.



SA 242. Mrs. HUTCHISON (for herself, Mr. INHOFE, Mr. ALLARD, Mr. BAUCUS, Mr. BENNETT, Mr. BROWNBACK, Mr. BUNNING, Mr. BURR, Mr. CHAMBLISS, Mr. COBURN, Mr. CORNYN, Mr. CRAPO, Mr. DEMINT, Mrs. DOLE, Mr. ENZI, Mr. GRAHAM, Mr. KYL, Mr. LOTT, Mr. MARTINEZ, Mr. MCCAIN, Mr. ROBERTS, Mr. SESSIONS, Mr. THOMAS, Mr. VITTER, Mr. VOINOVICH, Mr. STEVENS, Mr. WARNER, and Mr. MCCONNELL) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by her to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 89, between lines 16 and 17, insert the following:

``Sec. 20815. (a) The amount appropriated or otherwise made available by section 20804 for `Department of Defense Base Closure Account 2005' is hereby increased by $3,136,802,000.

``(b) ACROSS-THE-BOARD RESCISSIONS.--There is hereby rescinded an amount equal to 0.73 percent of--

``(1) the budget authority provided (or obligation limitation imposed) for fiscal year 2007 for any discretionary account in this division (except chapters 2 and 8 of this title and the amounts made available by section 101 for ``Department of Defense Base Closure Account 1990'', ``North Atlantic Treaty Organization Security Investment Program'');

``(2) the budget authority provided in any advance appropriation for fiscal year 2007 for any discretionary account in any prior fiscal year appropriation Act; and

``(3) the contract authority provided in fiscal year 2007 for any program subject to limitation contained in any division or appropriation Act subject to paragraph (1).

``(c) PROPORTIONATE APPLICATION.--Any rescission made by subsection (b) shall be applied proportionately--

``(1) to each discretionary account and each item of budget authority described in such subsection; and

``(2) within each such account and item, to each program, project, and activity (with programs, projects, and activities as delineated in the appropriation Act or accompanying reports for the relevant fiscal year covering such account or item, or for accounts and items not included in appropriation Acts, as delineated in the most recently submitted President's budget).''



SA 243. Mr. ALEXANDER submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 72, line 20, strike ``of which not to exceed $200,000'' and insert ``of which $99,000,000''.



SA 244. Mr. INHOFE submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 54, between lines 11 and 12, insert the following:

``Sec. 20522. None of the funds made available by this division or any other Act may be used by the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency to promulgate the final version of the rule entitled `NPDES Permit Fee Incentive for Clean Water Act Section 106 Grants; Allotment Formula' (72 Fed. Reg. 293 (January 4, 2007)).



SA 245. Mr. INHOFE submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 51, strike line 14 and insert the following: the managers in Conference Report 109-188, except that--

``(1) not less than $5,500,000 of those amounts shall be used by the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency to develop alternative technologies to comply with the national primary drinking water regulations for disinfection byproducts promulgated pursuant to section 1452(q) of the Safe Drinking Water Act (42 U.S.C. 300j-12(q)); and

``(2) using not less than $11,000,000 of those amounts, the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency shall--

``(A) carry out a competitive grant program to continue the provision of technical assistance under section 1452(q) of the Safe Drinking Water Act (42 U.S.C. 300j-12(q)) to small public water system organizations; and

``(B) give priority for the provision of grants under the program to small public water system organizations that have the most support (or a majority of support) from small communities in each State.



SA 246. Mr. MARTINEZ submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On 115, line 19, strike the colon and all that follows through the page 117, line 12, and insert a period.



SA 247. Mr. MARTINEZ submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 117, line 10, strike the period, and insert the following: ``:


Provided further, That notwithstanding any other provision of law, the renewal funding formula set forth under the third proviso under this section shall not apply in determining the funding for the calendar year 2007 funding cycle of any public housing agency located in any jurisdiction in which the President declared a major disaster or emergency between January 1, 2004 and December 31, 2005 in connection with a hurricane.''



SA 248. Mr. MARTINEZ submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 94, line 23, insert after ``agency support programs'' the following: ``(with the Administrator authorized to reduce each subaccount as necessary to ensure full funding for exploration systems)''.



SA 249. Mr. MARTINEZ submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 94, beginning on line 19, strike ``$10,075,000,000'' and all that follows through line 25 and insert ``$10,524,400,000, of which $5,251,200,000 shall be for science, $724,400,000 shall be for aeronautics research, $3,978,300,000 shall be for exploration systems, and $491,700,000 shall be for cross-agency support programs (with the Administrator authorized to reduce each subaccount as necessary to ensure full funding for exploration systems); `Exploration Capabilities', $6,234,400,000; and `Office of Inspector General', $33,500,000. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, the aggregate of the levels appropriated by this Act, other than the levels appropriated for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, are hereby reduced by $545,300,000, with the amount of such reduction to be allocated among the accounts and subaccounts funded by this Act in such manner as the President shall specify.''.

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If IV is not able to push for I-485 filing without visa numbers, how do you think we/they will push for SKIL. Let's stop talking about any push and wait for the illegals to help us out....


khodalmd said:
Continuous Resolution bill (HJ Res. 20) is now on the floor of Senate. House has already passed it. Yesterday, Senate filed "Motion of Cloture". If MOC pass today, it will have limited discussion and amendments. Following amendments were presented to HJ Res. 20 (unfortunately nothing related to immigration). I guess, no chance of further amendments for this bill. We have to move forward toward SKIL (which is still not introduced in Congress) or CIR.

Amendments:

TEXT OF AMENDMENTS -- (Senate - February 08, 2007)

[Page: S1809] GPO's PDF

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SA 237. Mr. REID proposed an amendment to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; as follows:

At the end of the resolution add the following;

This division shall take effect 2 days after date of enactment.



SA 238. Mr. REID proposed an amendment to amendment SA 237 proposed by Mr. Reid to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; as follows:

In the amendment strike 2 and insert 1.



SA 239. Mr. REID proposed an amendment to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; as follows:

At the end of the resolution add the following;

This division shall take effect 5 days after date of enactment.



SA 240. Mr. REID proposed an amendment to amendment SA 239 proposed by Mr. REID to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; as follows:

In the amendment strike 5 and insert 4.



SA 241. Mr. REID proposed an amendment to amendment SA 240 proposed by Mr. REID to the amendment SA 239 proposed by Mr. REID to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; as follows:

[Page: S1810] GPO's PDF

In the amendment strike 4 and insert 3.



SA 242. Mrs. HUTCHISON (for herself, Mr. INHOFE, Mr. ALLARD, Mr. BAUCUS, Mr. BENNETT, Mr. BROWNBACK, Mr. BUNNING, Mr. BURR, Mr. CHAMBLISS, Mr. COBURN, Mr. CORNYN, Mr. CRAPO, Mr. DEMINT, Mrs. DOLE, Mr. ENZI, Mr. GRAHAM, Mr. KYL, Mr. LOTT, Mr. MARTINEZ, Mr. MCCAIN, Mr. ROBERTS, Mr. SESSIONS, Mr. THOMAS, Mr. VITTER, Mr. VOINOVICH, Mr. STEVENS, Mr. WARNER, and Mr. MCCONNELL) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by her to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 89, between lines 16 and 17, insert the following:

``Sec. 20815. (a) The amount appropriated or otherwise made available by section 20804 for `Department of Defense Base Closure Account 2005' is hereby increased by $3,136,802,000.

``(b) ACROSS-THE-BOARD RESCISSIONS.--There is hereby rescinded an amount equal to 0.73 percent of--

``(1) the budget authority provided (or obligation limitation imposed) for fiscal year 2007 for any discretionary account in this division (except chapters 2 and 8 of this title and the amounts made available by section 101 for ``Department of Defense Base Closure Account 1990'', ``North Atlantic Treaty Organization Security Investment Program'');

``(2) the budget authority provided in any advance appropriation for fiscal year 2007 for any discretionary account in any prior fiscal year appropriation Act; and

``(3) the contract authority provided in fiscal year 2007 for any program subject to limitation contained in any division or appropriation Act subject to paragraph (1).

``(c) PROPORTIONATE APPLICATION.--Any rescission made by subsection (b) shall be applied proportionately--

``(1) to each discretionary account and each item of budget authority described in such subsection; and

``(2) within each such account and item, to each program, project, and activity (with programs, projects, and activities as delineated in the appropriation Act or accompanying reports for the relevant fiscal year covering such account or item, or for accounts and items not included in appropriation Acts, as delineated in the most recently submitted President's budget).''



SA 243. Mr. ALEXANDER submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 72, line 20, strike ``of which not to exceed $200,000'' and insert ``of which $99,000,000''.



SA 244. Mr. INHOFE submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 54, between lines 11 and 12, insert the following:

``Sec. 20522. None of the funds made available by this division or any other Act may be used by the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency to promulgate the final version of the rule entitled `NPDES Permit Fee Incentive for Clean Water Act Section 106 Grants; Allotment Formula' (72 Fed. Reg. 293 (January 4, 2007)).



SA 245. Mr. INHOFE submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 51, strike line 14 and insert the following: the managers in Conference Report 109-188, except that--

``(1) not less than $5,500,000 of those amounts shall be used by the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency to develop alternative technologies to comply with the national primary drinking water regulations for disinfection byproducts promulgated pursuant to section 1452(q) of the Safe Drinking Water Act (42 U.S.C. 300j-12(q)); and

``(2) using not less than $11,000,000 of those amounts, the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency shall--

``(A) carry out a competitive grant program to continue the provision of technical assistance under section 1452(q) of the Safe Drinking Water Act (42 U.S.C. 300j-12(q)) to small public water system organizations; and

``(B) give priority for the provision of grants under the program to small public water system organizations that have the most support (or a majority of support) from small communities in each State.



SA 246. Mr. MARTINEZ submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On 115, line 19, strike the colon and all that follows through the page 117, line 12, and insert a period.



SA 247. Mr. MARTINEZ submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 117, line 10, strike the period, and insert the following: ``:


Provided further, That notwithstanding any other provision of law, the renewal funding formula set forth under the third proviso under this section shall not apply in determining the funding for the calendar year 2007 funding cycle of any public housing agency located in any jurisdiction in which the President declared a major disaster or emergency between January 1, 2004 and December 31, 2005 in connection with a hurricane.''



SA 248. Mr. MARTINEZ submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 94, line 23, insert after ``agency support programs'' the following: ``(with the Administrator authorized to reduce each subaccount as necessary to ensure full funding for exploration systems)''.



SA 249. Mr. MARTINEZ submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the joint resolution H.J. Res . 20 , making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2007, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 94, beginning on line 19, strike ``$10,075,000,000'' and all that follows through line 25 and insert ``$10,524,400,000, of which $5,251,200,000 shall be for science, $724,400,000 shall be for aeronautics research, $3,978,300,000 shall be for exploration systems, and $491,700,000 shall be for cross-agency support programs (with the Administrator authorized to reduce each subaccount as necessary to ensure full funding for exploration systems); `Exploration Capabilities', $6,234,400,000; and `Office of Inspector General', $33,500,000. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, the aggregate of the levels appropriated by this Act, other than the levels appropriated for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, are hereby reduced by $545,300,000, with the amount of such reduction to be allocated among the accounts and subaccounts funded by this Act in such manner as the President shall specify.''.

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nyc8300 said:
If IV is not able to push for I-485 filing without visa numbers, how do you think we/they will push for SKIL. Let's stop talking about any push and wait for the illegals to help us out....

Help us out of the country :)
 
It appears that no immigration provision will be attached with must pass HJ Res. 20 bill. In spite of lot of pressure from Health care Industry, High tech Industry and aila, IV etc., Congress is not in a mood to give any piecemeal and want to address issue in a comprehensive manner with CIR. The reason was well described by walanpond (Aman) at IV as follow:

"Most of the groups and companies have stopped pushing for temporary relief because any kind of temporary relief or interim relief chips away support from CIR and the offices of Senate and House Leadership along with other proponents of CIR have made it clear that any immigration relief has to be a part of CIR and not outside of it. Other companies/coalitions have stopped pushing for temporary H-1B increase as they do not want to be in the bad books of committee chairmen and the leadership offices by trying to sneak temporary relief that divides the supporters of CIR. Leadership wants support for CIR and want all sides to wait for CIR. And not doing so and trying to get interim relief before CIR would put them in bad books of Senate and House leadership, which no one wants coz if CIR fails, then after CIR, these offices will not co-operate with any group that tried to take away support from CIR."

This is the reason I was opposing interim push of I 485 filing without PD. I wanted that all my friends (who were not agree with me) should not only have I 485 filing but GC as well !!

According to me, Congress is much more serious to table CIR very soon. We like or not but CIR would be our next and final rider.

We all EB community forget our differences and should work hard to get all our provisions in CIR. Good luck to all



khodalmd said:
Continuous Resolution bill (HJ Res. 20) is now on the floor of Senate. House has already passed it. Yesterday, Senate filed "Motion of Cloture". If MOC pass today, it will have limited discussion and amendments. Following amendments were presented to HJ Res. 20 (unfortunately nothing related to immigration). I guess, no chance of further amendments for this bill. We have to move forward toward SKIL (which is still not introduced in Congress) or CIR.
 
Your comment,
This is the reason I was opposing interim push of I 485 filing without PD. I wanted that all my friends (who were not agree with me) should not only have I 485 filing but GC as well !!


Jholi me jhant nahi chale jagannath ji ;)

It doesn't add up. How come SKIL is not introduced after the push from AILA, IV etc. Maybe nothing was pushed at all or maybe AILA, IV do not have a push.... I think IV should not open its mouth when it can't get anything done and wait for something to get passed.



khodalmd said:
It appears that no immigration provision will be attached with must pass HJ Res. 20 bill. In spite of lot of pressure from Health care Industry, High tech Industry and aila, IV etc., Congress is not in a mood to give any piecemeal and want to address issue in a comprehensive manner with CIR. The reason was well described by walanpond (Aman) at IV as follow:

"Most of the groups and companies have stopped pushing for temporary relief because any kind of temporary relief or interim relief chips away support from CIR and the offices of Senate and House Leadership along with other proponents of CIR have made it clear that any immigration relief has to be a part of CIR and not outside of it. Other companies/coalitions have stopped pushing for temporary H-1B increase as they do not want to be in the bad books of committee chairmen and the leadership offices by trying to sneak temporary relief that divides the supporters of CIR. Leadership wants support for CIR and want all sides to wait for CIR. And not doing so and trying to get interim relief before CIR would put them in bad books of Senate and House leadership, which no one wants coz if CIR fails, then after CIR, these offices will not co-operate with any group that tried to take away support from CIR."

This is the reason I was opposing interim push of I 485 filing without PD. I wanted that all my friends (who were not agree with me) should not only have I 485 filing but GC as well !!

According to me, Congress is much more serious to table CIR very soon. We like or not but CIR would be our next and final rider.

We all EB community forget our differences and should work hard to get all our provisions in CIR. Good luck to all



khodalmd said:
Continuous Resolution bill (HJ Res. 20) is now on the floor of Senate. House has already passed it. Yesterday, Senate filed "Motion of Cloture". If MOC pass today, it will have limited discussion and amendments. Following amendments were presented to HJ Res. 20 (unfortunately nothing related to immigration). I guess, no chance of further amendments for this bill. We have to move forward toward SKIL (which is still not introduced in Congress) or CIR.
 
It is all over for IV's single point I485 relief only agenda which they called the interim agenda among other things.

It is clear that the Agriculture Workers Immigration bill was a trial balloon and it was shot down. I think this event was taken as a cue by all other Senators who were even thinking to introduce SKIL or PACE or anything else. Bottom line, whether we like it or not:
1) Illegal immigration reform will be resolved first - either it gets formally shot down in the House or it gets enacted
2) Only after Illegal immigration related vote banks are appeased will any relief be considered for legal immigrants to this country
3) CIR will be the only vehicle to bring retrogression relief to us. Only if it fails badly will piece meal relief be considered by politicians.
4) We might as well stop worrying about anything till March when CIR is likely to be tabled. Till then it is just pure conjecture.
5) Organizations like IV should try to unite their members. Their single point interim agenda created a lot of bad blood and no gain. They lost some of their most hard working members, who they gladly sacrificed, too lost in their own self confidence. It is time that the mistakes are mended and that unity is brought about to root out retrogression.
 
purplehazea
Hard working members like you were lost since the single point agenda did not go along with your agenda of EB relief. Give us a break....
I think IV did the right thing of having a single point agenda since that is the most they could have pushed for, if at all.... I am sorry they lost hardworking members like you in the process :D However this forum is better off without the likes of you/IV rejects.

purplehazea said:
It is all over for IV's single point I485 relief only agenda which they called the interim agenda among other things.

It is clear that the Agriculture Workers Immigration bill was a trial balloon and it was shot down. I think this event was taken as a cue by all other Senators who were even thinking to introduce SKIL or PACE or anything else. Bottom line, whether we like it or not:
1) Illegal immigration reform will be resolved first - either it gets formally shot down in the House or it gets enacted
2) Only after Illegal immigration related vote banks are appeased will any relief be considered for legal immigrants to this country
3) CIR will be the only vehicle to bring retrogression relief to us. Only if it fails badly will piece meal relief be considered by politicians.
4) We might as well stop worrying about anything till March when CIR is likely to be tabled. Till then it is just pure conjecture.
5) Organizations like IV should try to unite their members. Their single point interim agenda created a lot of bad blood and no gain. They lost some of their most hard working members, who they gladly sacrificed, too lost in their own self confidence. It is time that the mistakes are mended and that unity is brought about to root out retrogression.
 
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nyc8300 said:
Your comment,
This is the reason I was opposing interim push of I 485 filing without PD. I wanted that all my friends (who were not agree with me) should not only have I 485 filing but GC as well !!


Jholi me jhant nahi chale jagannath ji ;)

It doesn't add up. How come SKIL is not introduced after the push from AILA, IV etc. Maybe nothing was pushed at all or maybe AILA, IV do not have a push.... I think IV should not open its mouth when it can't get anything done and wait for something to get passed.
dude why do you have to show your immaturity again and again.....

if you do not support IV thats one thing.......but atleast try to think twice what you are saying....

its so amazing that people will start supporting IV only when they have a legislation passed to provide relief to EB people..........WOW......i hope you know what a legislation is??

I agree with you that what IV is trying to do is almost impossible.....but that does not mean they should have the same views as us..........they believe in it and they are trying for it.......

i agree that the same time and effort can be spent for the betterment of our life rather than running behind a legislation......which is totally controlled by politicians who dont care for their own country.....forget about immigrants...

so we dont beleive in that path.......so what......let them do their work......you do what is best for you................why do you have to discredit their efforts.....

i just saw another post of yours, trying to show your big brains again................please tell me your are just 20 or 22
 
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nyc8300 said:
purplehazea
Hard working members like you were lost since the single point agenda did not go along with your agenda of EB relief. Give us a break....
I think IV did the right thing of having a single point agenda since that is the most they could have pushed for, if at all.... I am sorry they lost hardworking members like you in the process :D However this forum is better off without the likes of you/IV rejects.

I have noticed that whatever you talk is just with the intention to cause arguments. You also do not have any basis for making your comments here. Just pulling lines out of thin air is your style. You attack all and sundry with your crappy comments. You are a complete and utter moron.

In future I am just going to ignore anything you say because are an insult to the collective intelligence of the members here.
 
Purplehazea,
If I remember your earlier comments (posted on the forum) your I 485 has been pending due to retrogession, you have publicly solicited support for IV and then when IV did not want to pursue anything else than I 485 filing push, you were pushed out of IV and went aaginst it. Everything is on the forum. Do not try and say things for others and for IV. You have been dismissed by IV, don't try and push your agenda.
Look at your last post about the failure of IV to push the I-485 filing agenda again. You seem almost happy that they failed.
You have been dismissed by IV and now you are fired!


purplehazea said:
I have noticed that whatever you talk is just with the intention to cause arguments. You also do not have any basis for making your comments here. Just pulling lines out of thin air is your style. You attack all and sundry with your crappy comments. You are a complete and utter moron.

In future I am just going to ignore anything you say because are an insult to the collective intelligence of the members here.
 
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You are a loser NYC. Once again you are pooping here without any evidence. How do you know that I am still not an IV member. Get a psych evaluation done for yourself. Or maybe you are typing from your wheel chair. Retard!
 
Purplehazea,

Avoid NYC. He don't know what he is talking. He don't know how to respect self and other.
Perplehazea's agenda is to end retrogression and it is not going to help only him but all EB community. I don't know what he is talking about!!


purplehazea said:
You are a loser NYC. Once again you are pooping here without any evidence. How do you know that I am still not an IV member. Get a psych evaluation done for yourself. Or maybe you are typing from your wheel chair. Retard!
 
Yesterday, lot of amendments were introduced to HJ Res. 20 at Senate floor. One of the amendment ( S AMD 257) was introduced by Sen Cornyn (you never know, this may be related to EB provision/s). Still text of amendment is not available.


8. S.AMDT.250 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

19. S.AMDT.251 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

20. S.AMDT.252 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

21. S.AMDT.253 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen DeMint, Jim [SC] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

22. S.AMDT.254 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Burr, Richard [NC] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

23. S.AMDT.255 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Chambliss, Saxby [GA] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

24. S.AMDT.256 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Crapo, Mike [ID] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

25. S.AMDT.257 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Cornyn, John [TX] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

26. S.AMDT.258 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Cornyn, John [TX] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

27. S.AMDT.259 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Warner, John [VA] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (8)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

28. S.AMDT.260 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kyl, Jon [AZ] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

29. S.AMDT.261 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kyl, Jon [AZ] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

30. S.AMDT.262 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Martinez, Mel [FL] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

31. S.AMDT.263 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Hatch, Orrin G. [UT] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted
 
khodalmd,

sorry if you have already mentioned this, but is HJ Res. 20 in any way related to immigration? if not, then just wondering how corny'ns amendment could be related to immigration. I have heard that this year, unlike last year, package deals with a lot of unrelated provisions are not going to pass, or even be introduced.

(hope I heard wrong!)
 
Yes you are right. The latest news is Congress leadership is not going to attach any piecemeal immigration provision.

But earlier there was strong rumor that Senate may attach some of the provisions with must pass HJ Res 20. In the past also they attached immigration provisions with must pass Resolution bill.

Yesterday, they introduced lot of amendments (you never know, something can be sneaked in last moment). Health care industry is heavily pushing recapture of unused visa for Scheduled A. They also snatched away 50K unused visa in 2005. If Schedule A successful in last moment, it would be big loss to all of us.

Again I am not sure about the language of amendments introduced yesterday. As Senator Cornyn is very positive for H1B/EB provision, I posted possibilities.


gcwhenever said:
khodalmd,

sorry if you have already mentioned this, but is HJ Res. 20 in any way related to immigration? if not, then just wondering how corny'ns amendment could be related to immigration. I have heard that this year, unlike last year, package deals with a lot of unrelated provisions are not going to pass, or even be introduced.

(hope I heard wrong!)
 
I checked the text of all amendments introduced yesterday. Nothing is related to Immigration. Sorry guys.

khodalmd said:
Yesterday, lot of amendments were introduced to HJ Res. 20 at Senate floor. One of the amendment ( S AMD 257) was introduced by Sen Cornyn (you never know, this may be related to EB provision/s). Still text of amendment is not available.


8. S.AMDT.250 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

19. S.AMDT.251 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

20. S.AMDT.252 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

21. S.AMDT.253 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen DeMint, Jim [SC] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

22. S.AMDT.254 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Burr, Richard [NC] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

23. S.AMDT.255 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Chambliss, Saxby [GA] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

24. S.AMDT.256 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Crapo, Mike [ID] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

25. S.AMDT.257 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Cornyn, John [TX] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

26. S.AMDT.258 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Cornyn, John [TX] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

27. S.AMDT.259 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Warner, John [VA] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (8)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

28. S.AMDT.260 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kyl, Jon [AZ] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

29. S.AMDT.261 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kyl, Jon [AZ] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

30. S.AMDT.262 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Martinez, Mel [FL] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted

31. S.AMDT.263 to H.J.RES.20 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Hatch, Orrin G. [UT] (introduced 2/12/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2007 Senate amendment submitted
 
Purplehazea,

If you are still a IV member, why are u posting messages on this forum now; first for IV and now against IV, enjoying IV's failures.

Why don't you and other IV guys like khodalmd who were thrown out of IV take your own agenda's and get your sorry butt out of here.

Please push your agenda through IV. If IV did not treat you well and wanted to have its own single point agenda you should get in line with IV rather than crying over here.







nyc8300 said:
Purplehazea,
If I remember your earlier comments (posted on the forum) your I 485 has been pending due to retrogession, you have publicly solicited support for IV and then when IV did not want to pursue anything else than I 485 filing push, you were pushed out of IV and went aaginst it. Everything is on the forum. Do not try and say things for others and for IV. You have been dismissed by IV, don't try and push your agenda.
Look at your last post about the failure of IV to push the I-485 filing agenda again. You seem almost happy that they failed.
You have been dismissed by IV and now you are fired!
 
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