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It's not your English that is the problem, it's the archaic colonial English that the Indian bureaucratic system loves to use. "Made and subscribed this on ....". Really? Why don't they just eff-ing say "signed and dated"?
My friend who had sent her family's Indian passports to collect the OCI stamping to NY before this farce broke out, updated me on her situation. She called this morning and spoke to Bajaj who was very nice apparently. (Just don't call him in the afternoons when he has had it with answering all your questions nonstop 
) Anyway she explained that she can't send copies of her family's passport pages because the CGI had the passports in NY and she didn't have anything on her. Bajaj told her to fill out the renunciation form with all the facts as she knew to the best of her knowledge (e.g. for passport number, because she didn't have that info, he said just say something like "Not known because passport at CGI NY") His basic thing was reference the OCI application clearly in the application package cover letter (I would also write it on the renunciation form to be safe) and send everything that she could. I'm assuming my friend would be sending all this to the Surrender Form lady and not OCI guy.
) Anyway she explained that she can't send copies of her family's passport pages because the CGI had the passports in NY and she didn't have anything on her. Bajaj told her to fill out the renunciation form with all the facts as she knew to the best of her knowledge (e.g. for passport number, because she didn't have that info, he said just say something like "Not known because passport at CGI NY") His basic thing was reference the OCI application clearly in the application package cover letter (I would also write it on the renunciation form to be safe) and send everything that she could. I'm assuming my friend would be sending all this to the Surrender Form lady and not OCI guy.
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CGI-NYC website doesn't say THREE copies of documents required.
Today, I sent renunciation / Surrender certificate form with notary signed to CGI-NYC with one set of copies.( NOT three sets)
This is the confusion.
Are you sure she said to attach three set copies of documents.
Dispatched from INdia after May 7th. That is what arjundatta is talking about.
Btw online OCI Inquiry form has this text
"Please contact the Mission/Office after 10 days from date of despatch or any day after receipt of documents at the Mission/Office, whichever is earlier."
Do folks abide by that rule? or do they send docs once the status is reached at NY?
cpmumbai2002, do you get visa?
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what is your status of OCI?. OCI filed and GRANTED by Consulate and Printed by Delhi and reached NYC? or still with NYC Not acknowledged? or acknowledged, scanned, granted and not printed?
-----She is Sending to what LADY and not OCI guy? I think OCI is handled by Mrs. Pushpa Kumar andMy friend who had sent her family's Indian passports to collect the OCI stamping to NY before this farce broke out, updated me on her situation.
She called this morning and spoke to Bajaj who was very nice apparently. (Just don't call him in the afternoons when he has had it with answering all your questions nonstop
Anyway she explained that she can't send copies of her family's passport pages because the CGI had the passports in NY and she didn't have anything on her.
Bajaj told her to fill out the renunciation form with all the facts as she knew to the best of her knowledge (e.g. for passport number, because she didn't have that info, he said just say something like "Not known because passport at CGI NY") His basic thing was reference the OCI application clearly in the application package cover letter (I would also write it on the renunciation form to be safe) and send everything that she could.
I'm assuming my friend would be sending all this to the Surrender Form lady and not OCI guy.
renunciation form is handled by Dr. Anju Kumar(Lady). who is OCI guy? Dr Anju Kumar is a Medical Graduate and career Diplomat in INDIAN FOREIGN SERVICE. She has served at Missions in Buenos Aires,Argentina and Madrid,Spain. She joined the Consulate General of India New york as Consul in June 2008. She is from Uttakhand and Mrs.Pushpa Kumar also seems to be from DEHRADOON side North India .
Dr. Anju Kumar
Phone: (212) 774-0627
Fax: (212) 861 3788
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cpmumbai2002
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Finally got my visa!!
I did finally get my visa today!! Thank god, I can now fly on Sunday!!
They gave me the surrender certificate along with the visa.
I spoke to some guy at the OCI counter and here's what he told me:
Naturalization certificate does not need to be notarized
The application does have to be notarized and the applicant has to sign in both places on the form
If you are waiting for OCI, you cannot send US passport, Indian passport, surrender certificate form etc. in one envelope. You first need to get the surrender certificate by sending the Indian passport. Once you get it back, then send it along with the US passport to get the OCI.
I am going to mail my wife's Indian passport to get the surrender certificate. Let's see how long it takes.
I did finally get my visa today!! Thank god, I can now fly on Sunday!!
They gave me the surrender certificate along with the visa.
I spoke to some guy at the OCI counter and here's what he told me:
Naturalization certificate does not need to be notarized
The application does have to be notarized and the applicant has to sign in both places on the form
If you are waiting for OCI, you cannot send US passport, Indian passport, surrender certificate form etc. in one envelope. You first need to get the surrender certificate by sending the Indian passport. Once you get it back, then send it along with the US passport to get the OCI.
I am going to mail my wife's Indian passport to get the surrender certificate. Let's see how long it takes.
cpmumbai2002
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BTW, there were a bunch of people in the evening who came by to collect the surrender certificate (some people had applied for it earlier in the day). Not sure if they got it.
waiting_0102
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> Are you sure she said to attach three set copies of documents.
Yes, absolutely certain! I spoke with her for about 5 minutes and she mentioned "in triplicate" (my inference is: original + 2 copies) several times. Guess this is in line with the original OCI submission. Hey, the filing guy/gal won't have a job if you don't do this!
Anyway, I'm thinking all of us will be ok as soon as they get the money (clearly, that's what these *s are after!), except the ones that are travelling within the next 3 weeks or so. They might need to physically visit the consulate. I hammered her on the 3 weeks but she kept deflecting it to the renunciation processing guys saying "it'll take them 2 weeks and a week for us". Sent the docs today, let's see how things progress. I'll be in the city for some work in the first week of June and will go and visit them if I don't get everything back by then.
I'll keep updating you guys...
Yes, absolutely certain! I spoke with her for about 5 minutes and she mentioned "in triplicate" (my inference is: original + 2 copies) several times. Guess this is in line with the original OCI submission. Hey, the filing guy/gal won't have a job if you don't do this!
Anyway, I'm thinking all of us will be ok as soon as they get the money (clearly, that's what these *s are after!), except the ones that are travelling within the next 3 weeks or so. They might need to physically visit the consulate. I hammered her on the 3 weeks but she kept deflecting it to the renunciation processing guys saying "it'll take them 2 weeks and a week for us". Sent the docs today, let's see how things progress. I'll be in the city for some work in the first week of June and will go and visit them if I don't get everything back by then.
I'll keep updating you guys...
PittsfieldMA
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All right dear friends, I cannot decide for myself...I am totaly lost. Kindly help me decide.
I have sent my passports for U-Visa sticker on 05/07/2010 and it reached NY CGI on 05/10/2010. I am tired of calling and emailing and no response. Should I expect to receive my passports back (w/ U-Visa sticker and cancelled Indian Passport)?
Or should I mail the form XXII and fees WITHOUT original Indian passport (because it is at CG NY) and naturalizaiton certificate?
Or should I go there in person (I don't know if they will entertain) and who do I approach?
I have my Indian trip in precisely 3 weeks and have the e-ticket itenarary.
Please advise me.
I have sent my passports for U-Visa sticker on 05/07/2010 and it reached NY CGI on 05/10/2010. I am tired of calling and emailing and no response. Should I expect to receive my passports back (w/ U-Visa sticker and cancelled Indian Passport)?
Or should I mail the form XXII and fees WITHOUT original Indian passport (because it is at CG NY) and naturalizaiton certificate?
Or should I go there in person (I don't know if they will entertain) and who do I approach?
I have my Indian trip in precisely 3 weeks and have the e-ticket itenarary.
Please advise me.
Congratulations for getting Visa and thanks for the update.
What is your advice if one needs to apply Visa through Travisa the person who has OCI pending or applied and want to make a trip to India? They have posted one can apply only Entry(X) visa if person is of India origin. It seems that with Entry (X) visa no registration is required with the Foreigners Registration Officer in India if duration of his/her stay does not exceed 180 days on a single visit. See the below link:
http://www.immigrationindia.nic.in/
I checked Travisa site and they also need Extra $175 and one need to fill up the Form for Surrender certificate if apply through Travisa do you get back your Cancelled Indian Passport+ surrender certificate+ Visa in US passport.
Please explain your Exp with Travisa.
Hi cpmumbai2002,
Where did you get your visa from? consulate or travisa office? In travisa office they said they did not get the passports back today. I am supposed to travel tomorrow, but did not get my visa yet.
Where did you get your visa from? consulate or travisa office? In travisa office they said they did not get the passports back today. I am supposed to travel tomorrow, but did not get my visa yet.
Form xxii
I am checking at the NY link and I don't see any FORM XXII. They seem to have a "Declaration of citizenship ..." and in the MS word format.. Not sure whether they have changed anything recently.. I googled for FORM XXII and found a PDF - which has "renunciatiation of overseas citizenship" - sounded like OCI renunciation.
Why do they even link OCI with the surrender certificate ? They have a set of rule for "surrender certificate" - which is fine and what is that got to do with OCI ? They should at least set a cut off date (or) at least introduce this rule for new applications..
Guessing someone made these decisions in a bar @ night 2am..
Sigh !!
I am checking at the NY link and I don't see any FORM XXII. They seem to have a "Declaration of citizenship ..." and in the MS word format.. Not sure whether they have changed anything recently.. I googled for FORM XXII and found a PDF - which has "renunciatiation of overseas citizenship" - sounded like OCI renunciation.
Why do they even link OCI with the surrender certificate ? They have a set of rule for "surrender certificate" - which is fine and what is that got to do with OCI ?
They should at least set a cut off date (or) at least introduce this rule for new applications.. Guessing someone made these decisions in a bar @ night 2am..
Sigh !!
Good Luck and post us the update.
go to below link and you need FIRST FormI am checking at the NY link and I don't see any FORM XXII. They seem to have a "Declaration of citizenship ..." and in the MS word format.. Not sure whether they have changed anything recently.. I googled for FORM XXII and found a PDF - which has "renunciatiation of overseas citizenship" - sounded like OCI renunciation.
Why do they even link OCI with the surrender certificate ? They have a set of rule for "surrender certificate" - which is fine and what is that got to do with OCI ?
Guessing someone made these decisions in a bar @ night 2am..
Sigh !!
http://indiacgny.org/php/showForms.php?linkid=104&partid=96&sub=sub2
Form
http://indiacgny.org/appl_forms/Form122.doc
Glad to have cleared that confusion.. Though the DOC file names are different, the content is indeed identical.. But they never mentioned about 3 copies of the application though !!
So, $175 per person + $20 + Postal charge for mail for surrender certification. Wait for 2 weeks.. After that, Postal charge + $20 to get the OCI.. This is frigging crazy..
So, $175 per person + $20 + Postal charge for mail for surrender certification. Wait for 2 weeks.. After that, Postal charge + $20 to get the OCI.. This is frigging crazy..
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