May 1st illegal immigrants are going to shutdown US

[nTan]

Wow.. I don't know this thread is for CITIZENS only. Then I guess all other GC holders, F1s, H1s, plus illegal immigrants have no RIGHTS in this area too.


Juan and folks...

Why do you think the government should convert all illegal immigrants to legal immigrants? This contry only accept high-skilled or investor or family-related immigrants. If you are not one of those, why should WE grant you citizenship?? You can't stay here as you "wish".

Studying English/computer in library can only improve your knowledge and it has nothing to deal with your illegal status. You should be thankful because WE are the only who is paying taxes and build those libaries and public facility.

I have nothing to against you personally but I just don't know why you guys THINK you should have legal status here..????

You say : 'WE grant you citizenship'.

Only citizens of US can decide about the future of immigration policy and citizenship... So ... we are not there yet ... to refuse someones citizenship.

U pay taxes ... how much have to paid ... every one pays taxes... illegals pay sales tax .. whatever the profits the company gets ( where illegals works, like tyson foods etc) they pay taxes...

 

[mummiezed]

Slap Bill Clinton's face before leaving

Saras,

I am going to just round up today's discussion with this:

I also accept the facts that we have all seen and read. And I also have something called "dignity", which I value a whole lot higher than the GC. Honestly, I no longer care if I do get to live in this country anymore. I will take my money and move on to the next destination, while I am still in good health to do so. We do not have to bend over our backsides to a system that has been broken several times. If the US government wants to prioritize illegals, let them do so.

as He deserves the dignity of being slapped
If you are higly skilled, you can contribute to your own country. The ballance of power will be tipping gradually. I see in decades Spanish will be the first language of this land, which will have degraded into a 2ndary world

 

[saras76]

Dignity ...

Saras,

I am going to just round up today's discussion with this:

I also accept the facts that we have all seen and read. And I also have something called "dignity", which I value a whole lot higher than the GC. Honestly, I no longer care if I do get to live in this country anymore. I will take my money and move on to the next destination, while I am still in good health to do so. We do not have to bend over our backsides to a system that has been broken several times. If the US government wants to prioritize illegals, let them do so.

ufo2002,

Again I respect your views and am with you regarding dignity. However not everyone can make the decisions that you or I may be able to make. We may be able to get out of here and settle somewhere else but I am sure there are a lot of people who may not be able to make those difficult decisions. Some people may have families that depend on their income, people may have kids in school, some people may have debt from education that they may be trying to pay of, some may not be able to use AC21 because they are afraid that their employer will revoke their 140 etc. These people do not lack dignity but have to face reality and may have to sit back for the time being and take what they get. There is nothing wrong in hoping for things to work out even if it is on the backs of illegals. The other alternative for a lot of people isn't a great one. For me personally I have gone through the whole range of emotions from humiliation to anger to disgust to finally hopelessness. Now I am at a point where I simply don't care .. I just want some resolution even if it is a rejection ...

Anyway, we are all in this together and lets hope that there is some relief for us down the road. We do need to think about alternatives though .. it would be foolish not to.

regards,

saras76

 

[garam.chadi]

Hopelessness

For me personally I have gone through the whole range of emotions from humiliation to anger to disgust to finally hopelessness. Now I am at a point where I simply don't care .. I just want some resolution even if it is a rejection

Hopelessness .... thats not true. Hope drives us and thats fills our lifes.

We are fortunate in many ways ... there are so many people who are not so lucky.. Every minute 10 children die ..... die because they have nothing to EAT.. Planet Earth provides plenty for each and every one .. but still 10 children die every minute for food.. and the figures for adults are even more alarming.

So think how lucky we are.

 

[saras76]

True ...

Hopelessness .... thats not true. Hope drives us and thats fills our lifes.

We are fortunate in many ways ... there are so many people who are not so lucky.. Every minute 10 children die ..... die because they have nothing to EAT.. Planet Earth provides plenty for each and every one .. but still 10 children die every minute for food.. and the figures for adults are even more alarming.

So think how lucky we are.

garam.chadi,

I meant hopelessness towards this process not hopelessness towards life in general. Our problems (if they can be called that) are nothing compared to real world problems that you have mentioned. I do consider myself fortunate and am thankful for what I have. The immigration issue though is hopeless

regards,

saras

 

[kelvinjai]

Yeah, having more baby and rule the world! If US is too crowded, they can walk to Canada and do the same thing there too. What's next? Europe or Asia? Illegal is not that bad because they go back home and walk back to US as often as they wish? Forget about immigrantion and border control. Welcome Bin Ladin, you can setup your startup terrioist company here!! No visa needed!!

Latinos will be the majority in US very soon... They are the future .. So they are powerful. Although illegal here .. they go back to there home country as often as they can and again comeback to work.

I see this coming.. you are trying to define legal immigrants as illegal immigrants, don't you?

Well in the areas of legal immigration ... aren't there so many illegal stuff happening. Recently some desi companies were caught applying for faudulent Labors and H1b.. Many get H1b on ghost companies. Many pad there resume to get a job... Many bullshit on there experience... There are many things legal immigrants do that are against the law.... When they apply for labor ... the advertisement itself is so placed .... not to get any applicants. If they get some american applicant ... they are rejected. Don't that constitute more criminal .... than crossing the border to help Americans.

The only thing I could agree with you is if a legal immigrant break the immigrantion law, s/he should be kicked out from the country, SAME as all illegal immigrants. Do you think all legal immigrants get the GC or visas w/o any verification from INS?

 

[marlon2006]

I doubt illegals would walk to another country. Even socialist Canada put a stop to this. Recently I read an article in which the Canadian government simply demanded long-term illegal Portugue people to go back to their country. As far as I know Canada doesn't allow anchor babies there, right ? The US is probably the only country that is not waking up in time.

Yeah, having more baby and rule the world! If US is too crowded, they can walk to Canada and do the same thing there too. What's next? Europe or Asia? Illegal is not that bad because they go back home and walk back to US as often as they wish? Forget about immigrantion and border control. Welcome Bin Ladin, you can setup your startup terrioist company here!! No visa needed!!



I see this coming.. you are trying to define legal immigrants as illegal immigrants, don't you?



The only thing I could agree with you is if a legal immigrant break the immigrantion law, s/he should be kicked out from the country, SAME as all illegal immigrants. Do you think all legal immigrants get the GC or visas w/o any verification from INS?

 

[kelvinjai]

You are 100% right. Only citizens of US can decide about the immigration policy. I just have GC and not able to vote. But same as others, we just express our opinion here.

Then could you tell the same thing to those illegal immigrants that they are NOT the one who decide the immigration policy and please stop asking it. They are not even allow to stay here by law and please leave.

Legal immigrants do all what the goverment request us to do to get our legal status in this country. It's a long process but we never "walk off" and complain about it.

You say : 'WE grant you citizenship'.
Only citizens of US can decide about the future of immigration policy and citizenship... So ... we are not there yet ... to refuse someones citizenship.

Income tax and social security.

U pay taxes ... how much have to paid ... every one pays taxes... illegals pay sales tax .. whatever the profits the company gets ( where illegals works, like tyson foods etc) they pay taxes...

 

[for_ac21]

comprehensive immigration bill - all are in it together

Hello all,

The comprehensive immigration bill seems to cover both documented and undocumented immigrants. So, I dont think it helps to debate for one or the other anymore.

The only thing important now is to pray that it will become law asap, because, if I read it correctly there are some benefits for eb* categories.
It is comprehensive, and it cannot get passed to become law partially just
to help, us, documented people.

Please post if you have heard any info. about the +ve impact that the event had, to expedite the process of passing this into law.

Pl. disregard my comments, if they dont make any sense

regards,

PD 11/01 eb3

 

[kelvinjai]

I am not sure about Canada. I was just kidding about it =P But if they "think" they should be legalizie here, maybe they "think" they could do the same thing in another country, right? US never say people can walk here and stay here w/o any legal process.

I agree US policy should be respobsible of at least part of the illegal immigrants problem nowadays. I agree those illegal immigrants might contribute to this country but sometimes we need to define what is the meaning of illegal about and once we allow them to stay, more illegal immigrants will rush in.

I doubt illegals would walk to another country. Even socialist Canada put a stop to this. Recently I read an article in which the Canadian government simply demanded long-term illegal Portugue people to go back to their country. As far as I know Canada doesn't allow anchor babies there, right ? The US is probably the only country that is not waking up in time.

 

[sundar99]

Somemore Views from TV yesterday

Yesterday, while they were showing the latinos protesting on CNN Live - they also pointed out legalising 12 million, would immdlty trigger their relatvies applying for family based quota, increasing the total numbers from 12 Mill + another 70 million, + the anchor babies 1 million, so the total could come close to 100 Million ! 33 % of the population.. which is a huge drain on the present system,


Today they have AC 360, perhaps there may be a dial # to express views.

 

[neocor]

Hello all,

The comprehensive immigration bill seems to cover both documented and undocumented immigrants. So, I dont think it helps to debate for one or the other anymore.

The only thing important now is to pray that it will become law asap, because, if I read it correctly there are some benefits for eb* categories.
It is comprehensive, and it cannot get passed to become law partially just
to help, us, documented people.

Please post if you have heard any info. about the +ve impact that the event had, to expedite the process of passing this into law.

Pl. disregard my comments, if they dont make any sense

regards,

PD 11/01 eb3

The whole point of the discussion going on this thread was this bill.
Even though the bill contains provisions for both legal and illigal immigrants, there is a very high probablity that the provisions for legal immigrants will be completely removed from the bill in its final shape.
If that happends it will be a double blow to the legal immigrants who are already getting squeezed and killed by retrogression. The retrogression will move back dozens of years. There will be absolutely no hope.

This bill will soon become more harmful rather then useful.

neo

 

[ufo2002]

It's called the Chain Migration Effect. Every new citizen starts sponsoring his mother, father, grandparents, uncle, aunts, dogs, cats (kidding about the last two)... but you can see what this all means. Overflooding the immigration queue and the Family-Based GC categories are all in terrible shape today.
And don't forget the current retrogression for FB categories happened primarily after the 3 million amnesty in '86.... imagine 12 million today.

I don't know how many countries out there recognize local born babies of foreigner parents as citizens, but my cousin who was born in the UK has British citizenship even though both parents are Singapore citizens.

Yesterday, while they were showing the latinos protesting on CNN Live - they also pointed out legalising 12 million, would immdlty trigger their relatvies applying for family based quota, increasing the total numbers from 12 Mill + another 70 million, + the anchor babies 1 million, so the total could come close to 100 Million ! 33 % of the population.. which is a huge drain on the present system,

Today they have AC 360, perhaps there may be a dial # to express views.

 

[marlon2006]

If the opposers of illegal aliens hit the chain migration issue a lot, they may indeed warn and recruit passive Americans and put an end to this debate. I think the idea of letting 85-100 million people backed by Lulac, Laraza and other known organizations may ring a bell in many Americans.

Yesterday, while they were showing the latinos protesting on CNN Live - they also pointed out legalising 12 million, would immdlty trigger their relatvies applying for family based quota, increasing the total numbers from 12 Mill + another 70 million, + the anchor babies 1 million, so the total could come close to 100 Million ! 33 % of the population.. which is a huge drain on the present system,


Today they have AC 360, perhaps there may be a dial # to express views.

 

[eBhola]

If the opposers of illegal aliens hit the chain migration issue a lot, they may indeed warn and recruit passive Americans and put an end to this debate.

yes that is..
But the number of people who wil benefit from this Chain Migration can be limited by USCIS ... as they have it now .. Have quotas.

Let people apply .. very few can get in ... USCIS benefits with the processing fees etc etc.

More troubling than Chain Migration -- number of people crossing the borders.. 10,000 illegal aliens entering US daily .
Many come in vistors visa and stay on for ever...

 

[ufo2002]

Please think of the big picture rather than thinking allowing them to "chain migrate" is limited by quotas.
Those quotas are also used by honest ppl who become citizens and want to bring their relatives over. Those who got amnesty have absolutely no hesitation in exploiting the same law to bring in their own relatives, and be damned to those quotas.

And just to add... earlier somwhere, there was another post about 245i ppl still in Labor phase and not truely taking up the Visa Numbers in I-485. Well, does anybody recall the excuse USCIS gave when the retrogression started? "Expected increase in demand for EB3 category". This is because they thought that all the 245i Labors were going to get approved simultaneously. Imagine giving 12 million ppl amnesty. USCIS will announce "due to expected increase in workload of 12 million applications...."
As far as I know, the CIR bill being debated makes no mention of increasing manpower or budget to USCIS.... that department will be swamped.

yes that is..
But the number of people who wil benefit from this Chain Migration can be limited by USCIS ... as they have it now .. Have quotas.

Let people apply .. very few can get in ... USCIS benefits with the processing fees etc etc.

More troubling than Chain Migration -- number of people crossing the borders.. 10,000 illegal aliens entering US daily .
Many come in vistors visa and stay on for ever...

 

[marlon2006]

Let the current millions be legalized and I believe that is a clear message to the world that the US continues, as usual, supportive of illegal influx. People out there in South America doesn't know or care about these debates or ideas to enforce laws, etc. All the poor Pablo knows in South America is that an amnesty has been granted again and my neighbor Felipo got in, let's go to the US and stay there waiting for the next. It is when people bribe US consulate abroad, pay professionals to dig tunnels, etc. That is the biggest magnet to attract illegal aliens.

Without the system to stop illegals, I believe the 10,000/day would actually increase and then one would just make things way worse because now you have the 11-20 millions + relatives + ongoing influx of illegals at even lower wages.

yes that is..
But the number of people who wil benefit from this Chain Migration can be limited by USCIS ... as they have it now .. Have quotas.

Let people apply .. very few can get in ... USCIS benefits with the processing fees etc etc.

More troubling than Chain Migration -- number of people crossing the borders.. 10,000 illegal aliens entering US daily .
Many come in vistors visa and stay on for ever...

 

[neocor]

It's called the Chain Migration Effect. Every new citizen starts sponsoring his mother, father, grandparents, uncle, aunts, dogs, cats (kidding about the last two)... but you can see what this all means. Overflooding the immigration queue and the Family-Based GC categories are all in terrible shape today.
And don't forget the current retrogression for FB categories happened primarily after the 3 million amnesty in '86.... imagine 12 million today.

I don't know how many countries out there recognize local born babies of foreigner parents as citizens, but my cousin who was born in the UK has British citizenship even though both parents are Singapore citizens.

I thought UK does not grant Citizenship to babies born in UK to foreign parents.
I have a friend in UK who had a baby there and he says that his baby is not UK citizen, it does not work that way in UK.

Maybe its just for Indians.

neo

 

[Jackolantern]

yes that is..
But the number of people who wil benefit from this Chain Migration can be limited by USCIS ... as they have it now .. Have quotas.

Quotas just clog the system and make people wait for decades.

To end chain migration, they should limit family-based immigration to spouses and children under 21, and maybe parents over 65.

 

[eBhola]

I thought UK does not grant Citizenship to babies born in UK to foreign parents.
I have a friend in UK who had a baby there and he says that his baby is not UK citizen, it does not work that way in UK.

Maybe its just for Indians.

Yes, you are right .. No Spl treatment for Indians too ... even after ruling India for over 300 years ..