May 1st illegal immigrants are going to shutdown US

My very humble opinion.

Personally I think these marches are a very good way to alert and make Americans aware and raise against the impact of mass immigration, especially the illegal one. One of the head of such march was interviewed by Lou Dobbs recently. The man had the heart to compare the illegal alien cause to the revolution of 1776, in which Americans repealed the British. In his analogy, the illegal aliens are the Americans and the Americans are the British. With leaders speaking unreasonably like these, I am afraid we will see such immigration reform, rightfully, stuck for a while. It is hilarious watch some of these fellows speaking up though.

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DOBBS: Juan, without getting into the economics and the costs and the offsets, you have compared what you and those supporters, demonstrators and boycotters will do to much the same as George Washington's reaction to British rule. How is that?

GUTIERREZ: The great slogan of the American revolution was no taxation without representation. Millions of human beings today and for many years are being taxed, and they have absolutely no representation. In fact, they are being bashed every day and humiliated. They are being told that they are illegal. That they are they are taking jobs away, that they are a great harm to the American economy and the American society in general. And, you know, we're tired of it. And we're not going to take it anymore.

The time has come, this is what the people are saying on the street, where we need to stand up and make a statement. We need to do what the American people did when they pulled away from the British crown. And I am sure that back in those days many people were concerned that was radical action. And they advised against participating and taking arms against the British empire.

But, in fact, the American people have the will and they stood up and they did the right thing. We fully expect that undocumented immigrants are going to be doing precisely that on May 1 and soon thereafter we fully expect to have just, humane, and reasoned legislation that settles and fixes our broken immigration system once and for all. That's what May 1 is all about.

DOBBS: I have to believe, Juan, as you put in it those terms, comparing the United States government, our laws, the society in which these illegal aliens are working and, without question, making a great contribution to those illegal employers who exploit them, I have to believe there's going to be -- that's about as divisive a kind of demonstration or talk that could be offered.

These people, irrespective of the fact that by in large they are great and good people, are here illegally and to put a comparison between the United States government, its laws and our sovereignty and to compare yourselves to George Washington and the United States government to British rule is an extraordinary, extraordinary, reach.
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guldukan said:
www.may1stcoalition.org

check this out, on May 1st many illigal immigrants are planning a massive protest across US,

is IV guys endorse these protest
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Many Businesses are Closing for May 01 Rally.

Tyson Foods Inc., the world’s largest meat producer, says it will temporarily shut down nine of its beef and pork plants Monday because many of the workers plan to attend immigration rallies.

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Cargill, the No. 2 U.S. beef producer and No. 3 pork producer, is closing seven meat-processing plants with 14,000 employees in Iowa, Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, Illinois and Colorado. "We share a lot of the same concerns many of our employees have," spokesman Mark Klein says. "The immigration process is broken, and we need true solutions to it."

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Las Vegas casinos might close too.


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The 17 Spanish-language radio stations owned by Clear Channel Communications will broadcast music without comment from disc jockeys. "Words are my life, but sometimes silence makes a bigger point," morning host Alex Lucas says.
 
merovingian said:
I personally think it will backfire. Especially if demonstrators will carry not US flags.
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well illegal immigrants got nothing to loose, besides American law-makers INS (DHS) ignored these problems for such a long time and it's time to pay the due.

Politicians both Reps and democrats can't afforde to lose hispanic vote bank, this will be very similar to what congress part did in India for minority vote bank

and hispanics are very well aware of this and they are trying to take complete adavntage of this

I just wonder how it effect many legal immigrants who are playing by rules and paying taxes and waiting in line
 
How will this affect us legals? Read up on history, especially the most recent one about the 245i applicants. USCIS gave the excuse of 'expected higher demand' for visa number from this category that if true, is the cause of this whole retrogression fiasco.

Can you imagine 12+ million applications coming into the system if the CIR bill passes? Forget about citizenship, Pres Bush's proposal for "guest worker" means added workload for USCIS (with NO proposal to increase budget and manpower).

As much as I believe the undocumenteds and illegals should have dignity and respect, I cannot agree to any bill which supports them first. There must be a bill that deals with borders first, LEGALS second, and illegals last!

As for MAY 1st, I am going to continue working, eating out, and carry on with my life.

guldukan said:
well illegal immigrants got nothing to loose, besides American law-makers INS (DHS) ignored these problems for such a long time and it's time to pay the due.

Politicians both Reps and democrats can't afforde to lose hispanic vote bank, this will be very similar to what congress part did in India for minority vote bank

and hispanics are very well aware of this and they are trying to take complete adavntage of this

I just wonder how it effect many legal immigrants who are playing by rules and paying taxes and waiting in line
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"I just wonder how it effect many legal immigrants who are playing by rules and paying taxes and waiting in line[/QUOTE]

I would like to hear realistic views on how allowing 11-20 million (plus fraudulent applicants) could not immerse our cases in a blackhole. I am sorry based on what I have seen so far, I try to be optimistic about this, but it is hard. When the amnesty/guest-worker program passes, IV probably would remain busy for a while ?
 
marlon2006 said:
"I just wonder how it effect many legal immigrants who are playing by rules and paying taxes and waiting in line

I would like to hear realistic views on how allowing 11-20 million (plus fraudulent applicants) could not immerse our cases in a blackhole. I am sorry based on what I have seen so far, I try to be optimistic about this, but it is hard. When the amnesty/guest-worker program passes, IV probably would remain busy for a while ?
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Why would anyone (law makers, congressmen, senators) worry about legal immigrants. They dont get anything out of us.
We already pay our taxes and maintain proper jobs and legal status and are accountable.
They want to get taxes from the illigal, who are getting away without paying any taxes and in addition to that the processing and filing fees for all the documents to get a GC or citizenship. The prospect is huge for provising guest worker program for illigal Aliens.

Just take a deep breath and think if you were the big law maker or senator who has to weigh all the options. I bet most of us will ignore the legal immigrants as they dont pose much of a problem and are contributing to the economy be means of taxes, they spend pretty well, they own homes, and are accounted for.
Why the heck would i worry.

just think about it, the picture will become crystal clear.

neo
 
Totally agree ...

neocor said:
Why would anyone (law makers, congressmen, senators) worry about legal immigrants. They dont get anything out of us.
We already pay our taxes and maintain proper jobs and legal status and are accountable.
They want to get taxes from the illigal, who are getting away without paying any taxes and in addition to that the processing and filing fees for all the documents to get a GC or citizenship. The prospect is huge for provising guest worker program for illigal Aliens.

Just take a deep breath and think if you were the big law maker or senator who has to weigh all the options. I bet most of us will ignore the legal immigrants as they dont pose much of a problem and are contributing to the economy be means of taxes, they spend pretty well, they own homes, and are accounted for.
Why the heck would i worry.

just think about it, the picture will become crystal clear.

neo
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neo,

You have hit the hammer on the nail my friend. In the true big picture, lawmakers have nothing to gain from legal immigrants. Legal immigration in this country will remain crappy forever. There is absolutely no incentive to change it. Infact, I think the govt knows that its horrible and deliberately keeps it that way. The ideal situation for them would be for legal immigrants to come here on H1Bs, work like crazy at relatively lower wages, pay taxes towards SS and Medicare, invest their hard earned money here and then leave after 6 years to be replaced by a fresh crop of H1Bs that will do the same thing for another 6 years. I believe that is the true intent. Since they cannot do this blatantly, they make the process so slow and pointless that atleast a third if not half the legal immigrants end up abandoning the process. The govt wants to keep the immigration levels in check and they do this by ensuring a everyone goes through a broken, horrible system.

regards,

saras
 
It is true. Earlier I posted the insights of two economists during hearings for the Senate Judiciary Committee this week. The man said there, loud and clear, that the employment based, skilled immigrants are a great deal. No disagreements there. Illegal aliens on the other hand did not receive all that support, since the economists argued that illegal aliens are uneducated and could consume too much resources in public services. Yet the latter group is the one which will receive the priority, since it is the problematic one now.

You are so correct. Honestly, I believe that by now the majority of lawmakers are exactly aware of our existince and plight. They have no reason to work hard and extend the red carpet to us. From a business perspective, they would act strictly from the US employer point of view. There is no way in hell that they would think for a moment, "well, the good wife cannot work. Let's give him the GC sooner". No.

That's the reason yesterday I launched a campaign to get another job and invoke AC21 ASAP. I guess for those of us with EAD and desire to move on, that's the only reasonable action we can take.



saras76 said:
neo,

You have hit the hammer on the nail my friend. In the true big picture, lawmakers have nothing to gain from legal immigrants. Legal immigration in this country will remain crappy forever. There is absolutely no incentive to change it. Infact, I think the govt knows that its horrible and deliberately keeps it that way. The ideal situation for them would be for legal immigrants to come here on H1Bs, work like crazy at relatively lower wages, pay taxes towards SS and Medicare, invest their hard earned money here and then leave after 6 years to be replaced by a fresh crop of H1Bs that will do the same thing for another 6 years. I believe that is the true intent. Since they cannot do this blatantly, they make the process so slow and pointless that atleast a third if not half the legal immigrants end up abandoning the process. The govt wants to keep the immigration levels in check and they do this by ensuring a everyone goes through a broken, horrible system.

regards,

saras
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We all came here as h1s, f1s and managed to stay here legally. Currently there are 40 million people in the world who go through a strenous legal immigration process and everybody wants to immigrate into the United States. United States is a melting pot and is a country for immigrants. Every policy here is based on demand supply and it is a fact that path to GC is rough for nationals of certain countries like India and China etc... But being legal means we are very much in the system.
The loopholes in the system is the biggest drawback, this system allows people to actually overstay their visas and they get unaccounted for. There are always jobs in skilled category and non skilled category, the country needs many many immigrants, and there is a process and this process has to be corrected legally.
Doing mass rallies and jumping ahead of queues is not a solution. Associating with illegals is not a solution because those bills will never pass.
 
I agree with your comments chanduv.

There is one such loophole that can easily taken care of, and will help us a great deal and make the USCIS job easier.
That one mad animal/loophole is the Labor Substitution rule.
I know all the immigration lawyers who have been quite all this while and enjoying what is happening right now will be up with arms the moment USCIS abolishes Labor Substitution.
Therefore a small logical ammendment needs to be done to the LS rule, and that is to give the priority date of any LS case the date the I-140 is filed.

I will be very happy if only this small loophole is closed.

neo
 
Support us.

I read so much frustration by other people, and I want to try to speak for the other voice. I am an undocumented immigrant, and this movement is very important for many of us. We are not criminals. We came here for better opportunities, and this country allowed me to go to school and learn English. My son was accepted to a college here, but he cannot go because we cannot pay and we cannot get a financial aid from the government.

We do all jobs people here do not want to do. Many of you on visas have access to insurance, but we do not. We don't want to go to emergency room but we have to for our care. We struggle, just like you. We want the government to grant us citizenship so that we can become legal like you. Please join us to show support for your friends...we are not enemies.

Juan
 
Website looks like

it was created by Fidel Castro. Look at all the communist red in there. I would have thought they would splash red and blue everywhere.
 
Hello JuanSorano61.

I have nothing personal against you.
My observation is that many of you, including yourself, persist to put lipsticks on a pig. Political correct terms such as "undocumented guest" for a thief. That sounds like an attempt to disguise facts. You are an illegal alien. Admit it.

The fact that you have good intentions and came here for better opportunities don't change anything. An argument can be made that bank robbers are good people and are looking for a better life.

I am open minded and I understand that US employers have gained with your presence here. However that doesn't necessarily mean that Americans want to continue that chaotic relationship though or that type of relationship is going to bring benefit to America. In the worst case scenario, I think you all have made your money in America. Employers have exploited you. If you have to go home and apply for a future guest-worker program, that should be fair. I think that in the end you will stay though. Not sure what directions this country is going to take after such amnesty is granted. I can tell you lots of Americans will not be happy with that.

Please understand that the US has borders and limited resources. That means that this country cannot accomodate all good and well intentioned people in the world. Personally I think that millions of protesters here should go back to Mexico and other countries and demand to your government there better life conditions. In case you don't know, Americans fought and lost blood back in 1776. Time to do the same, back home ? Just my thought.

JuanSorano61 said:
I read so much frustration by other people, and I want to try to speak for the other voice. I am an undocumented immigrant, and this movement is very important for many of us. We are not criminals. We came here for better opportunities, and this country allowed me to go to school and learn English. My son was accepted to a college here, but he cannot go because we cannot pay and we cannot get a financial aid from the government.

We do all jobs people here do not want to do. Many of you on visas have access to insurance, but we do not. We don't want to go to emergency room but we have to for our care. We struggle, just like you. We want the government to grant us citizenship so that we can become legal like you. Please join us to show support for your friends...we are not enemies.

Juan
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marlon2006 said:
Hello JuanSorano61.
The fact that you have good intentions and came here for better opportunities don't change anything. An argument can be made that bank robbers are good people and are looking for a better life.
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In our current system if they were 11 million bank robbers then it has a valid argument.

My point is US government and US Inc., both ignored illiegal ailens for their own benefit, itz time for them to pay the price and lations with their vote bank are in a better position to bargain and thatz what they are doing,

I too have the same feeling but I don't think it matters end of the day INS will have new excuse to delay our processes.

I don't have any faith in the system any more.
 
Thank you

Thank you. Yes, I do not want to stay illegal. I want to be able to walk down the street without fear. I worked very hard to learn English and I do not cause trouble here. I also think my other friends are not correct when they waive the flag of Mexico at the march. I bring an American flag, and I love this country.

My country is poor. In my town, I cannot make money like I do here. I am sure you have good education from where you are from, and it helps you stay here. I never went to college and learn computer from the library class. I learned English at the local school. I want to get a visa like you but I cannot.

You cannot compare two countries. My country and this country are different. This is my new country, and I want to stay. I want to get citizenship.

Juan
 
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