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JULY 15 Re-draw Maybe Cancelled!!!!

Kwame O said:
Bentleebee, I respectfully disagree with you. Generally, during visa applications,it is presumed that an applicant intends to immigrate permanently. However, this presumption is rebuttable--which means the applicant has to prove to the consular that he does not intend to immigrate permanently.

Regarding the 26 people, again I disagree. Everyone who sent forms to KCC on reliance of the notification letter has his/her name out. So it is not just the 36 people. The only problem, I think, is these people (those who have submitted the forms to KCC) have raised "their own standard of proof"-- they will find it to difficult to prove that they do not intend to immigrate permanently.
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Totally agree with you.
You got selected and then you submitted your forms to KCC.
You therefore expressed your intention to immigrate.
As simple as that.
 
Dubbies, instead of hoping that the lawsuit fail I will rather hope that Dos resolve this issue quickly. Every good lawyer will first seek injunction before the merits of the case is discussed in court. Injunction does not take years and injunction is didferent from arguing the merits of the case. Injunction in this case will mean that " stop the new draw until the case is finally settled." Rule 23 of Federal Rules of Civil Procedure perfectly allows class members to seek injunction.

To those who thought their documents were destroyed: KCC will not destroy them. Once it became aware of a possible lawsuit against them a "litigation hold" will be places on all document whether electronic or paper would-be relevant to support the claim of the "ex-22k winners."

What I meant by "rebuttable presumption" is that the applicant has the burden to prove to consular that he/she will return back home. Applying the lottery is generally not considered as declaration of intent to immigrate permanently. However, filing forms after notification is enough to establish that intent. That's why everyone who sent their forms to KCC will have a higher burden to prove to a constant that they will come back home. However, it is entirely possible to be granted non-immigrant visa regardless of your situation.

My hope is DoS reinstate them and do the new draw than to have everybody embroiled in a lawsuit.
 
I think peoples are underestimating this lawsuit like we underestimated the possible redraw... like i said, at this point, everybody should wish dos resolve this with MR white instead of fighting because that would mean = NO JULY 15... so they should stop hating & starting beaing concern about it because even the non selectess have a high chance to be affected by this
Kwame O said:
Dubbies, instead of hoping that the lawsuit fail I will rather hope that Dos resolve this issue quickly. Every good lawyer will first seek injunction before the merits of the case is discussed in court. Injunction does not take years and injunction is didferent from arguing the merits of the case. Injunction in this case will mean that " stop the new draw until the case is finally settled." Rule 23 of Federal Rules of Civil Procedure perfectly allows class members to seek injunction.

To those who thought their documents were destroyed: KCC will not destroy them. Once it became aware of a possible lawsuit against them a "litigation hold" will be places on all document whether electronic or paper would-be relevant to support the claim of the "ex-22k winners."

What I meant by "rebuttable presumption" is that the applicant has the burden to prove to consular that he/she will return back home. Applying the lottery is generally not considered as declaration of intent to immigrate permanently. However, filing forms after notification is enough to establish that intent. That's why everyone who sent their forms to KCC will have a higher burden to prove to a constant that they will come back home. However, it is entirely possible to be granted non-immigrant visa regardless of your situation.

My hope is DoS reinstate them and do the new draw than to have everybody embroiled in a lawsuit.
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Well, What i want you to know for sure, if they want to do something they will do it, that's it, either cancel this next redraw or re-do it or accept those 22000, they can play with us as they want, so i suggest to take it easy, they are having their life and we are burning ours for nothing !!! use your mind, I'm a selected too so do they want me to suicide for it? NO WAY. Live your life like if nothing happened and when things come up to a solution then you will know it.


Aren't you tired of analyse things on this forum? thousands of comments.....

I think you must start a new TV channel named :"22000" and every selected is a journalist.....


Don't be ridiculous.
 
My life goes one... in fact the void was a positive thing to me because that made me think & came out with a solid professional project that i am working on it every singlee day...
in this hard economic time, being your own boss is the best thing becausee today you find a job, tomorow you lose it...
direstra1ts said:
Well, What i want you to know for sure, if they want to do something they will do it, that's it, either cancel this next redraw or re-do it or accept those 22000, they can play with us as they want, so i suggest to take it easy, they are having their life and we are burning ours for nothing !!! use your mind, I'm a selected too so do they want me to suicide for it? NO WAY. Live your life like if nothing happened and when things come up to a solution then you will know it.


Aren't you tired of analyse things on this forum? thousands of comments.....

I think you must start a new TV channel named :"22000" and every selected is a journalist.....


Don't be ridiculous.
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I agree, but be patient, GOD draw a path for everyone of us, if USA is in your destiny you will reach it, if not, GOD knows the best for you.
 
@Kwame I don't think by submitting ones form to KCC in light of winning would jeopardise ones chance of entering the States. I was one of those who did in May and I was in the States early this month - nothing asked at the POE other than the normal questions.

@Bentlebee, stop the scaremongering. The rule of law applies in advanced countries hence the judiciary where the aggrieve seek justice.

Kwame O said:
Bentleebee, I respectfully disagree with you. Generally, during visa applications,it is presumed that an applicant intends to immigrate permanently. However, this presumption is rebuttable--which means the applicant has to prove to the consular that he does not intend to immigrate permanently.

Regarding the 26 people, again I disagree. Everyone who sent forms to KCC on reliance of the notification letter has his/her name out. So it is not just the 36 people. The only problem, I think, is these people (those who have submitted the forms to KCC) have raised "their own standard of proof"-- they will find it to difficult to prove that they do not intend to immigrate permanently.
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here is an analyst ===> "baltimore_p" that will never stop commenting and analyzing day and night, when sleeping and when waking up, while walking and while eating, everytime he thinks and thinks and thinks, a NON STOP THINKER.;

baltimore_p => Go and apply for a job in CNN. :D
 
To ALL those who first compared the Dv computer glitch to a casino lottery: this is your answer. The winner still kept the money while the company fix their error

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/06/22/dnt.slot.machine.payout.wtae?hpt=hp_t2
 
@direstra1ts, stop being a sad guy and stop acting foolish. A lot of people get the green card and never live there.
 
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