gc_retrogress
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Consultants are expected to perform more than their employees. Companies like to pay for such people.
If you are good then you are in demand
If you are good then you are in demand
IV people are really getting desperate
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UN,
You take pride in criticising these desi consulting companies - in respect of immigration....what about companies like Accenture/Anderson Consulting/Bearing Point?
One way to look at them is that - there are just small versions of these big companies...so why are we criticising them?
Obviously, we are criticising them - for one and only one reason - these damn desi companies don't pay you on bench unlike Accenture/Bearing Point etc....And, that's the only reason!
But, you are criticising them for your own reasons...Fact of the matter, just because Ace Technologies got singled out ....does not mean that every desi consulting company should consider themselves lucky...that they are still getting GC's...If so, you can then go ahead and extend the same argument that Accenture/Bearing Point should never be eligible for filing green cards.....U should watch what you say...these are all gray areas....you can point the -ve interpretation of it....I can show you the +ve interpretation of it!
Well, which job in USA is permanent, dude?
No job is ever permanent...Company stock falls 20%, staff size reduces by 30%...
Why doesn't USCIS then, say - hey, if a company ever does a layoff, they are not eligible for Green Card sponsorship...In that case, only a company like Walmart with no layoff history can sponsor for Green Cards! Hee Hee!
U are vehemently pushing your viewpoint in a very gray area....
Consulting companies like Accenture work on perceived demand! Come on, that's obvious! These desi consulting companies are just carefully exploiting the loophole....
Yep, I agree that they open satellite branches under dummy names....WHY??
Because, USCIS never seems to care...about checking up....If USCIS had cared and checked...they would have legitimately opened satellite offices with office/staff in it, for sure!
Don't you think Accenture uses satellite office addresses to it's own advantage???
It's a damn loophole in the system that consulting companies are exploiting and will continue to! Thanks to the advice of their crooked immigration lawyers! Hee Hee!
Come on...
You take pride in criticising these desi consulting companies - in respect of immigration....what about companies like Accenture/Anderson Consulting/Bearing Point?
One way to look at them is that - there are just small versions of these big companies...so why are we criticising them?
Obviously, we are criticising them - for one and only one reason - these damn desi companies don't pay you on bench unlike Accenture/Bearing Point etc....And, that's the only reason!
But, you are criticising them for your own reasons...Fact of the matter, just because Ace Technologies got singled out ....does not mean that every desi consulting company should consider themselves lucky...that they are still getting GC's...If so, you can then go ahead and extend the same argument that Accenture/Bearing Point should never be eligible for filing green cards.....U should watch what you say...these are all gray areas....you can point the -ve interpretation of it....I can show you the +ve interpretation of it!
Well, which job in USA is permanent, dude?
No job is ever permanent...Company stock falls 20%, staff size reduces by 30%...
Why doesn't USCIS then, say - hey, if a company ever does a layoff, they are not eligible for Green Card sponsorship...In that case, only a company like Walmart with no layoff history can sponsor for Green Cards! Hee Hee!
U are vehemently pushing your viewpoint in a very gray area....
Consulting companies like Accenture work on perceived demand! Come on, that's obvious! These desi consulting companies are just carefully exploiting the loophole....
Yep, I agree that they open satellite branches under dummy names....WHY??
Because, USCIS never seems to care...about checking up....If USCIS had cared and checked...they would have legitimately opened satellite offices with office/staff in it, for sure!
Don't you think Accenture uses satellite office addresses to it's own advantage???
It's a damn loophole in the system that consulting companies are exploiting and will continue to! Thanks to the advice of their crooked immigration lawyers! Hee Hee!
Come on...
What does USCIS think - when they coined the H1B visa program?
Think of the world without desi consulting companies!
Do you think, US economy can handle guys getting recruited directly from India and when they layoff - they expect them to fold up and hop onto a flight back to India, if he can't get a job in 10 days!!!!
Hee Hee!!!
USCIS is in a dream world!
Such unscrupulous laws are the reason...that gave birth to these damn consulting companies...they are filling the void of offering as buffer zone between India/US
It's USCIS which is screwed up...everybody is just trying to fit in....using the practical loopholes!
Implementing a law like H1B and not offering at least 3 months of transition time - is the crime that USCIS has committed!
Everybody here is just a player - that is playing the game this USCIS coined!
It's the USCIS laws which need to be reformed....coining a system of employment based immigration...itself is the crime....
Like actors, muscians - allowing agents to eat up all the profit of their hardwork is the crime....
For a CD sale of $20, muscians hardly make 50cents....that's the crime!
Think of the world without desi consulting companies!
Do you think, US economy can handle guys getting recruited directly from India and when they layoff - they expect them to fold up and hop onto a flight back to India, if he can't get a job in 10 days!!!!
Hee Hee!!!
USCIS is in a dream world!
Such unscrupulous laws are the reason...that gave birth to these damn consulting companies...they are filling the void of offering as buffer zone between India/US
It's USCIS which is screwed up...everybody is just trying to fit in....using the practical loopholes!
Implementing a law like H1B and not offering at least 3 months of transition time - is the crime that USCIS has committed!
Everybody here is just a player - that is playing the game this USCIS coined!
It's the USCIS laws which need to be reformed....coining a system of employment based immigration...itself is the crime....
Like actors, muscians - allowing agents to eat up all the profit of their hardwork is the crime....
For a CD sale of $20, muscians hardly make 50cents....that's the crime!
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Sorry, but not necessary.gc_retrogress said:
if you look at only salary, consultant is more expensive, but client company does not provide benefit to consultants though they usually do to their employee.
That is big overhead and hiring consultant might be cheaper in big picture.
And another aspect is company needs someone only for short period of time such as 2 months. Well, if companies have guts to employ someone and then layoff 2 months later, they may do so, but mostly they won't do that.
I am glad i found this forum. Here I used to think that I had problems with GC process, but going over all the posts i realize how good I have it. Lemme explain. Came here in 1998 on B1. Interviewed and got into residency on J1. Did 3 yrs residency and 3 yrs fllowship on J1. Used to curse the fact that I was stupid not to get here on H1b and couldnt apply for GC while on J1. Turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Now, have a nice job, on H1b, with a local physician group. Boss probably makes money out of me, but who cares. Hes helping me with GC process, and pays me close to 200k (wayyyyyyy more than i need) Got I140 approved and patiently waiting for retrogression to end. Thankfully still have 5 years of H1 left. Also, am secure in the knowledge that if I ever wanna leave, there are many local groups more than happy to have me and help with gc process, and the boss knows it 
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God bless america!!!!!
)God bless america!!!!!
where_is_my_gc
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techy2468 said:
apathy/herd nature: may be close to the environment you live in. I don't have to go at great length to prove my point regarding conservatism - us and them and the red-est nature of alabama. - ya ya I can sing "sweet home alabama" but that would really come at the backdrop of "southern man" - and really such a wonderful song by young i.e. if you have the appetite for great lyrics.
You made a statement regarding india and beggars on the streets everywhere and some kinda slum environment. I wonder - if you can really spew this much on public forum about the country where you came from, how much you would be doing at home - sitting with your family members and kids and worse than that with your colleagues
I am not wishing here. But if you do land-up in your home country by any chance, it's going to be really painful and sad story for you and your family members.
my advice - just maintain your balance fine before you spew and make slandering remarks. It may just boomerang on you.
I think i can get away by stating facts anywhere in the world.....if i have enough power to back me up....(say i am the elected representative with security.....or say i have 10-15 henchman with fire power and all the political connections....)
otherwise.....i am wise enough to know.....that people want to live in denial....and they dont want to realize that they are living a life worse than animals....
just as i said.....i dont see anything wrong with alabama........and you guys saying that its wrong to be here is a SLANDER...........this place is same as any other place.....with pros and cons...
not that i am a big fan of this city or state (low economic activity)......but at the same time......the quality of life and the weather conditions......are unbeatable.......so there is a trade-off with everything......there is no such place as a balanced place....if you know one please let me know.....
otherwise.....i am wise enough to know.....that people want to live in denial....and they dont want to realize that they are living a life worse than animals....
just as i said.....i dont see anything wrong with alabama........and you guys saying that its wrong to be here is a SLANDER...........this place is same as any other place.....with pros and cons...
not that i am a big fan of this city or state (low economic activity)......but at the same time......the quality of life and the weather conditions......are unbeatable.......so there is a trade-off with everything......there is no such place as a balanced place....if you know one please let me know.....
gc_retrogress
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Whatever people might say....
1. Consultants are in demand like right now. People want to hire even during Christmas period. Don't know about the future. Now there is no need to use satellite offices, PERM is the answer.
2. Consultants are not dumb enough to get a permanent job.
3. IBM is one example which is consultant orientented. I have seen that personally, they did not control the work at my place. USCIS does not look into all these, sometimes the size of the company hides such details. And on a similar note when there was a recession most of the IBM people lost their jobs, yes they were fired, guess what those who had their jobs had a tough time proving I-140 RFEs.
4. Whether it is a desi consulting firm or a non-desi consulting firm, people are still getting Green Cards/H1 stamping in India( yes even today).
5. Those who want to follow the law, GC is employer oriented right. Then consultants are hired and getting paid by one employer. They can prove the point of having permanent employment after getting GC. And yes consulting companies and employees are making money.
Thank you.
1. Consultants are in demand like right now. People want to hire even during Christmas period. Don't know about the future. Now there is no need to use satellite offices, PERM is the answer.
2. Consultants are not dumb enough to get a permanent job.
3. IBM is one example which is consultant orientented. I have seen that personally, they did not control the work at my place. USCIS does not look into all these, sometimes the size of the company hides such details. And on a similar note when there was a recession most of the IBM people lost their jobs, yes they were fired, guess what those who had their jobs had a tough time proving I-140 RFEs.
4. Whether it is a desi consulting firm or a non-desi consulting firm, people are still getting Green Cards/H1 stamping in India( yes even today).
5. Those who want to follow the law, GC is employer oriented right. Then consultants are hired and getting paid by one employer. They can prove the point of having permanent employment after getting GC. And yes consulting companies and employees are making money.
Thank you.
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Info overload!!
Hey Doc in Boston,
You know, with all due respect, and proper consideration in choosing the words I write here, I could have lived my life in peace .. for however many years, months and days I have left, without knowing that you get 200K or thereabouts per year.
Your luck is good for you - but please do not gloat on this forum where folks here pour out their troubles.
Amen.
docboston said:I am glad i found this forum. Here I used to think that I had problems with GC process, but going over all the posts i realize how good I have it. Lemme explain. Came here in 1998 on B1. Interviewed and got into residency on J1. Did 3 yrs residency and 3 yrs fllowship on J1. Used to curse the fact that I was stupid not to get here on H1b and couldnt apply for GC while on J1. Turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Now, have a nice job, on H1b, with a local physician group. Boss probably makes money out of me, but who cares. Hes helping me with GC process, and pays me close to 200k (wayyyyyyy more than i need) Got I140 approved and patiently waiting for retrogression to end. Thankfully still have 5 years of H1 left. Also, am secure in the knowledge that if I ever wanna leave, there are many local groups more than happy to have me and help with gc process, and the boss knows it
God bless america!!!!!
Hey Doc in Boston,
You know, with all due respect, and proper consideration in choosing the words I write here, I could have lived my life in peace .. for however many years, months and days I have left, without knowing that you get 200K or thereabouts per year.
Your luck is good for you - but please do not gloat on this forum where folks here pour out their troubles.
Amen.
Not gloating dude. Just counting my blessings. In case u r not aware, it is very difficult for J1 physicians to get H1b jobs. Just check out the posts in the physicians section of this portal and u will get a general idea about the problems we go through. I used to think this crap is for physicians only, while IT guys have it ez. But reading through this section puts things in a different perspective. "No situation is inherently good or bad, but thinking makes it so"
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I understand the feeling... but it's important to toughen up. If you have a problem with sb making more money or having more resources than you... you'll NEVER live in peace.dl1cd said:
If the doc makes 200K, good for her/him... and good for the economy.
gravitation said:
And only junior doctor/assistant can make 200k only.
If doctor makes less than 250-300k I would say he wasted many years in residency for nothing.
I only do not uderstand that docboston exaggerate process of J1-> H1B, as I know it is straight forward procedure..... Although each case can be specific.
unitednations said:
people are coming through consulting companies, purchasing labors, swwitching companies using EAD AC21, switching companies when they get more pay, getting green cards,, buying properties, settling down.
From what you say, most of the people actually wont get GCs. And if you think they all got it in a wrongful manner, will their citizenship or GC be revoked???
My friend, closing loopholes is good and it is great to know that USCIS is working on background.
It is very unfair to blame immigrants who are trying to immigrate. If an immigrants used wrong methods, nothing wrong in punishing them But constantly blaming immigrants that they are doing this and doing that and whatever they do is not right, is something I do not agree with you. You are "profiling" people coming on h1b.
The American middle class has always been against "outsourcing of white collar jobs", and have vented anger on h1bs who are visible in front of their eyes.
I am personally against benching, and not paying salary on bench, and misrepresenting facts that these small companies do, but please understand that small companies do whatever they can to make money and be in business. The big companies now, were once upon a time small companies and have gone through what small ones do.
Most of these small companies are run by individuals who, will try their best to work in good faith "on a sunny day", but one cannot expect them to run businesses in good faith.
The whole issue of good faith is a grey area.
gc_retrogress
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we live in a hypocrytical society....
Au contraire ..
I did not say that I have a problem .. all I said - it is good that you make 200K / 400K / 800 K / 1M / 10M / whatever - but spare me that knowledge.
What good is it for me to know that Billy the Kid has stashed away billions upon billions?
There are things that are relevant and there are things that are irrelevant. How much one makes and why that softens the wait for GC is good for some one; however it is a totally irrelevant piece of information for me. I don't make 200K and I don't envy Billy the Kid (futile) and the fact that I would never be the president of this country at 44 .. and yet, I am at peace.
Chill out .. yo!
gravitation said:
I did not say that I have a problem .. all I said - it is good that you make 200K / 400K / 800 K / 1M / 10M / whatever - but spare me that knowledge.
What good is it for me to know that Billy the Kid has stashed away billions upon billions?
There are things that are relevant and there are things that are irrelevant. How much one makes and why that softens the wait for GC is good for some one; however it is a totally irrelevant piece of information for me. I don't make 200K and I don't envy Billy the Kid (futile) and the fact that I would never be the president of this country at 44 .. and yet, I am at peace.
Chill out .. yo!
UN,
It is very hard to quantify if increasing EB is good/bad for the country. There is no comprehensive study that does say that EB candidates really benefit the economy.
There are several studies though that say that people who have advanced education have created more wealth and contributed towards more taxes to the economy. Democrats cite this study a lot to advocate subsidized education.
For the same reasons it seems we have some sort of agreement on the SKIL Bill between Reps and Dems. There are however a lot of negatives one may cite on giving more GC's to EB's i.e. loss of jobs, outsourcing resources.
At the end of the day, everybody can argue his side. All we know is that if we have 20million illegals, it is a fact that the system is out of sync with reality.
We should not search for ABSOLUTE TRUTHS since there are none. We need to take things people agree on and hopefully try and make the system be in sync with the reality.
I would say that since the east is much closer to the west than it was before, the west needs to not only let good people come in but be 'inviting' enough to get talented people here. What you are suggesting is the rules, pros and cons of the system. You have to think a little 'Out-of-the-box/system' and be able to suggest improvements.
I can't think of absolute facts on immigration and EB candidates being good or bad but i think anything that is accepted like the SKIL bill by a majority of the people should be adopted.
It is very hard to quantify if increasing EB is good/bad for the country. There is no comprehensive study that does say that EB candidates really benefit the economy.
There are several studies though that say that people who have advanced education have created more wealth and contributed towards more taxes to the economy. Democrats cite this study a lot to advocate subsidized education.
For the same reasons it seems we have some sort of agreement on the SKIL Bill between Reps and Dems. There are however a lot of negatives one may cite on giving more GC's to EB's i.e. loss of jobs, outsourcing resources.
At the end of the day, everybody can argue his side. All we know is that if we have 20million illegals, it is a fact that the system is out of sync with reality.
We should not search for ABSOLUTE TRUTHS since there are none. We need to take things people agree on and hopefully try and make the system be in sync with the reality.
I would say that since the east is much closer to the west than it was before, the west needs to not only let good people come in but be 'inviting' enough to get talented people here. What you are suggesting is the rules, pros and cons of the system. You have to think a little 'Out-of-the-box/system' and be able to suggest improvements.
I can't think of absolute facts on immigration and EB candidates being good or bad but i think anything that is accepted like the SKIL bill by a majority of the people should be adopted.
unitednations said:
unitednations said:
I agree that rules are rules and must be followed. There is a system in place and people must follow the system. Yes, everyone wants to immigrate.
From what you say - it looks like every immigrant is a sinner and immigrating is like commiting a sin. By demanding for raising for caps or by demanding relief, you want to say that immigrants are shooting at their own legs. My dear friend, this is a land of immigrants, every policy is well defined and everything is done in good faith ( hopefully), offcourse, now that immigration is a big thing with 2 billion illegals and a lot of EB folks backlogged, a resolution plan must be made. Offcourse, INS or the govt cannot ignore or go easy on wrongdoers, and clamp down of fraudulent immigrants is definitely what everyone expects.
You are saying that immigrants are wrong doers and sinners. So why do you waste time on immigration forums. Why do you keep your phone number and email??? Are you a lawyer or a conman? I guess you know a lot of things about EB process but your language is bad.