IV people are really getting desperate

[GCVARUMA]

I agree that rules are rules and must be followed. There is a system in place and people must follow the system. Yes, everyone wants to immigrate.
From what you say - it looks like every immigrant is a sinner and immigrating is like commiting a sin. By demanding for raising for caps or by demanding relief, you want to say that immigrants are shooting at their own legs. My dear friend, this is a land of immigrants, every policy is well defined and everything is done in good faith ( hopefully), offcourse, now that immigration is a big thing with 2 billion illegals and a lot of EB folks backlogged, a resolution plan must be made. Offcourse, INS or the govt cannot ignore or go easy on wrongdoers, and clamp down of fraudulent immigrants is definitely what everyone expects.
You are saying that immigrants are wrong doers and sinners. So why do you waste time on immigration forums. Why do you keep your phone number and email??? Are you a lawyer or a conman? I guess you know a lot of things about EB process but your language is bad.

We missed the boat longtime back. People from Ireland, Italy, etc have made it in before the floodgates closed. So we are at a juncture where they don’t need/want more people to immigrate.

a resolution plan must be made

Yes.. so how are we going to present our case saying that they require us instead of telling loss of talent, economy hurts, prevents me from changing jobs. etc?? That is what UN is trying to ask you because we want to have valid reason/point if we want the issue to fly.

So why do you waste time on immigration forums. Why do you keep your phone number and email??? Are you a lawyer or a conman? I guess you know a lot of things about EB process but your language is bad.

Could you also post a quote where UN used Bad language? Come on, is that all you can say when all that we are trying to do is to find a valid reason to justify our case?? Lets not digress and find a solution for this issue. UN is just presenting us with an argument like how the USCIS or Govt may present their case. Let’s not get personal and find a solution.

Thanks.
GCVaruma.

 

[chanduv23]

We missed the boat longtime back. People from Ireland, Italy, etc have made it in before the floodgates closed. So we are at a juncture where they don’t need/want more people to immigrate.



Yes.. so how are we going to present our case saying that they require us instead of telling loss of talent, economy hurts, prevents me from changing jobs. etc?? That is what UN is trying to ask you because we want to have valid reason/point if we want the issue to fly.



Could you also post a quote where UN used Bad language? Come on, is that all you can say when all that we are trying to do is to find a valid reason to justify our case?? Lets not digress and find a solution for this issue. UN is just presenting us with an argument like how the USCIS or Govt may present their case. Let’s not get personal and find a solution.

Thanks.
GCVaruma.

So u r all like a family here i guess, you are supporting him. If this guy presents USCIS views, he maybe a USCIS spy or something? Is he a lawyer? Does he work for USCIS? Why does he have his phone numebr and email id? Is he doing some business here??? Does he have any insider? I wont come back here again and waste my time. U guys are all addiicted to this. Maybe USCIS is paying him to write huge messages to degrade immigrants.

 

[gc_retrogress]

UN has been helping people with mainly Ability to Pay issues, I guess maybe at some expense for them. To a large extent, he is addicted to this forum just like others. His own immig file is pending so he is a fellow immigrant. He also happens to have immigration from other countries (many in the list), but likes US a lot. He has been working with CFOs in wall street for a while.

Most of us might not have any RFEs at all, but whoever does likes to approach UN.

In short he is the most sought after guy for all immigration questions.

 

[techy2468]

So u r all like a family here i guess, you are supporting him. If this guy presents USCIS views, he maybe a USCIS spy or something? Is he a lawyer? Does he work for USCIS? Why does he have his phone numebr and email id? Is he doing some business here??? Does he have any insider? I wont come back here again and waste my time. U guys are all addiicted to this. Maybe USCIS is paying him to write huge messages to degrade immigrants.

i think i can answer some...

* UN likes to hang around here because he is very knowledgeable and its interesting to hang around here.......
* he also has his GC pending so....he is in the same boat
* He has enough investment that he does not have to work....hence he is in semi-retirement......so he has a ton of time to kill (dont ask me how i have a ton of time

to tell u the fact he is the most balanced person on this forum.......because all these shit does not affect him as much as us.

and i see that he makes sense when he says that we do not have a case to justify a preferential treatment by uscis........usa can survive without us...

 

[chanduv23]

i think i can answer some...

* UN likes to hang around here because he is very knowledgeable and its interesting to hang around here.......
* he also has his GC pending so....he is in the same boat
* He has enough investment that he does not have to work....hence he is in semi-retirement......so he has a ton of time to kill (dont ask me how i have a ton of time

to tell u the fact he is the most balanced person on this forum.......because all these shit does not affect him as much as us.

and i see that he makes sense when he says that we do not have a case to justify a preferential treatment by uscis........usa can survive without us...

I dont agree with you. Unless someone has a financial agenda or some other agenda or is affected by someething, there is no need to hang around in immigration forums and write lengthy messages about consulting companies bringing people without actual job offer or benching or whatever. This are all known issues. If he is a US cittizen affected by immigrants taking jobs, he must be in another forums, if he is being a nice daddy trying tto correct immigrants of their mistakes, there are various ways he can do that. But if it is his tactic to attract immigrants for business reasons etc... I think he is misusing the purpose of forums. I don't think he is as plain and nice as u all talk, he definitely has some business agenda. There are better places to spend time, not these forums.

 

[GCVARUMA]

So u r all like a family here i guess, you are supporting him. If this guy presents USCIS views, he maybe a USCIS spy or something? Is he a lawyer? Does he work for USCIS? Why does he have his phone numebr and email id? Is he doing some business here??? Does he have any insider? I wont come back here again and waste my time. U guys are all addiicted to this. Maybe USCIS is paying him to write huge messages to degrade immigrants.

So if your views are questioned then you say that "u r all like a family here" and further say that "he maybe a USCIS spy"? How are you going substantiate that statement of yours??

What matters is how you or all of us going to respond to his questions so that we can probably find a solution to our problems. Arguments are helpful in getting answers, provided it is a healthy argument and not getting personal. Rather than an empty rhetoric it would help all of us if there is substance in whatever that is being said by you. If you/anyone could provide an answer then that would be the best thing that can happen to us.

techy2468 and gc_retrogress have said their views and so have I. But you have still not yet replied to my question : Could you also post a quote where UN used Bad language?

Thanks.
GCVaruma.

 

[banta4gc]

as I said, in my earlier post...

we can all go on, accusing one another...of each are exploiting the system....as to how consulting companies are doing what they are doing....selling labors...lawyers filing false docs...etc....

bottomline, USCIS should frame laws that will not endorse such behavior...
force an employer - that if he sponsors for GC...then he is liable to employ the employee until he get GC....Just look at it next day, how many companies will be willing to file GC???

that's the power of laws....alll the immigration fraud can be avoided...may then employees will exploit employers! Hee Hee!

by making the rules twisted...breaking the process into 3 steps, labor, I-140, I-485....and taking thier own sweet time...and letting employers the freedom of substituting LC's....they are promoting/endorsing the employers to commit fraud! What does USCIS expect - employers to do with the power of LC?? SELL IT, OBVIOUS!!!

USCIS should frame laws....that are prone to less fraud...

It's the system at fault....we are all just trying to beat the sytem to our advantage..

 

[GCVARUMA]

I dont agree with you. Unless someone has a financial agenda or some other agenda or is affected by someething, there is no need to hang around in immigration forums and write lengthy messages about consulting companies bringing people without actual job offer or benching or whatever. This are all known issues. If he is a US cittizen affected by immigrants taking jobs, he must be in another forums, if he is being a nice daddy trying tto correct immigrants of their mistakes, there are various ways he can do that. But if it is his tactic to attract immigrants for business reasons etc... I think he is misusing the purpose of forums. I don't think he is as plain and nice as u all talk, he definitely has some business agenda. There are better places to spend time, not these forums.

If you think UN has a financial agenda/no job/lengthy messages/nice daddy/etc., then don’t read his posts and move on to the next post. Or if you have an issues then raise it in an appropriate manner. No use of getting worked up. It doesn’t help you or the people reading the forum. If anyone has a problem/issue then they are free to choose anyone whom they want to address their problems to.

Thanks.
GCVaruma.

 

[chanduv23]

If you think UN has a financial agenda/no job/lengthy messages/nice daddy/etc., then don’t read his posts and move on to the next post. Or if you have an issues then raise it in an appropriate manner. No use of getting worked up. It doesn’t help you or the people reading the forum. If anyone has a problem/issue then they are free to choose anyone whom they want to address their problems to.

Thanks.
GCVaruma.

U folks are all so addicted to this. As if GC is life and nothing else. Profiling immigrants is bad language. Repeating same thing again and again is definitely bad language. I dont visit these forums often these days. You are all doing nothing here than spending valuble time blaming desi companies for all ur problems. The only reason this thread caught my atttention is because it is about IV. IV is doing what it can, maybe you all think that IV is shooting at its own legs by making noises, but my dear friends, if at all IV folks or immigrants have to eventually go back they will, but they are not a group who will just spend hours and hours explaining how USCIS thinks Indian companies are, or Chennai people are. IV does not have personal agendas. As a group IV is trying to do something rather than sitting here like crybabies and spending hours and hours pointing fingers at immigrants as if every immigrant is a sinner.

As you said I will not come here again and will not spoil your's or UNs business agendas. Continue preying on immigrants my dear friends ....

 

[nyc8300]

I think UN is either
trying to sell this website to google or a semi lawyer.
He is trying to push what he believes i.e. consulting companies are good but then everybody else is pushing their agenda too with a little less/more of logic and emotions mixed in.
In any case, GC does not matter at all if you are earning a million dollars. I guess then you try and get away from the GC/taxes....

So if you have to get away from all this try and earn the dollars.... Also what UN says does not matter in getting a GC; what USCIS and democrats and Republicnas say does in getting you a GC.

I dont agree with you. Unless someone has a financial agenda or some other agenda or is affected by someething, there is no need to hang around in immigration forums and write lengthy messages about consulting companies bringing people without actual job offer or benching or whatever. This are all known issues. If he is a US cittizen affected by immigrants taking jobs, he must be in another forums, if he is being a nice daddy trying tto correct immigrants of their mistakes, there are various ways he can do that. But if it is his tactic to attract immigrants for business reasons etc... I think he is misusing the purpose of forums. I don't think he is as plain and nice as u all talk, he definitely has some business agenda. There are better places to spend time, not these forums.

 

[chanduv23]

This thread must have really struck a chord with you. I see it is a slow day as a number of postings over this.

Kudos to IV. They have decided they want to go in a certain direction and that is the way they want to go.

Next: people haven't been in this country long enough or they are too junior and don't understand the system of laws, procedures, dialogues and decision making that is done.

For people who have been involved in lobbying efforts, presentations, debates, etc.; one needs to always understand the other side of the argument. If you don't then the other side will rip you wide apart and you will lose ALL CREDIBILITY.

Immigrants have agenda; companies have agenda, everyone has an agenda and want things done for their own benefit.

In the past year the discussions have gone like this:

Department of State is toying with everyone by bringing the dates far back
245i candidates are "unskilled workers". Funny but their date is further ahead then EB3 skilled/professional for India/Mexico

DOS is holding back visas in anticipation of perceived future demand

We should have point base system

We shouldn't include spouses, there should be open employment

Lawyers/companies are conspiring to not do anything about it

Outsourcing is increasing due to people giving up and going back home and taking brain drain with them.

The value of our tax dollars; spending; holding back savings,

USCIS playing around with calculating backlog of cases

the list goes on and on where many people just couldn't get it through their heads that maybe there is just a lot of people going for the greencard and much more then what the government want.

It appears to many posters that the answer is so obvious that it should be increased. Well it is not so obvious. All these discussions invite debate and understanding of all sides.

Regarding myself. When I had issues with my non compete; I sat on my sofa with laptop and watched television for close to one year. Every time someone asked a question on the portal, I researched it; no matter how small the question and posted it.

Then cybersoftech came along. Same thing; just posting things. All of a sudden; people wanted me to take these theories and apply it in their cases. Cybersoftech was a case study on everything that can go wrong; how to make it right; put theory into applicatoin; stress test the system.

After a while; people just wanted me to start doing things for them. You won't find any web-site; marketing; nothing. Irony is that just about everyone i talk to, help, work with is a staffing company. I get to see all these issues.

btw; I have made my money a long, long time ago. Been making dollars for many years.

people are not as great as you are. People are just dumbos. U are a "good daddy".

 

[sfmars]

There you go again! Speaking out of your rear. Your knowledge of this medical system is weak, you would be better served reading rather than writing about it, you've got your facts wrong about this yet again.

Mr. alterego,

Just behave yourself and respect others. You talk in public
Your judgement about abilities of others people means nothing.

There is no needs to talk to you or to prove anything to you personally. You do not deserve it.

 

[alterego2]

Mr. alterego,

Just behave yourself and respect others. You talk in public
Your judgement about abilities of others people means nothing.

There is no needs to talk to you or to prove anything to you personally. You do not deserve it.

The public dissemination of inaccurate information is propoganda. What you keep espousing in a public forum about the US medical system is exactly this. You ought not to project your own ineptitude at others.

 

[sfmars]

Are you sure that 250K- 300K is normal money for MD? I have a different reading - with MD, no advanced degree / specialization - you are in the 110 - 130 region.

I'm sure about practitioners, 110 - 130k is applicabe for researchers, or part time MD practitioner/researcher.

When you schedule appointment at the hospital you can be sure that you are going to talk with man who is making not less than 250k (and this is only startup)

Just think about it:

1. To get regular Bachelor degreee - 4 years.
2. 4 years in the Medical School (no scholarshps and it costs a lot)
3. 3-6 years in the residency (they are working 18-20 hours, with very limited numbers of days off)
they have to do very durty job during this time and during these years
their salary is ~ 30-35k. (big number of them can not "survive")
4. they have to pass exams and prove qualification each year
if they do not do it, The Board suspend their license.
You have to have license in each state where you have practice
(the same like driver license in the different states)
5. Some of them have to pay for their own professional insurance.
and it works the same way like insuarance for the car.
6. They have to buy very expensive books regarding their specialization.

Certified and licenced doctor can start his own practice when he is around 35-40 years old and before his salary was only 35K in the residence.
Many of them when they start practice have debts more 100K.
And all te time there is risk to be sued after that suspended license and doctor's career is over.

Do not you think that young doctor deserve 250K after all that.

As for salary estimation you may want to check http://www.salary.com
Make sure that you check health care practitioners (not researchers)

 

[chanduv23]

You remind me of a person who in meetings/discussions doesn't get their way and starts yelling; thinking that the louder one speaks; somehow it has more meaning.

If you want to discuss the merits then go ahead and do so. That is what these forums/threads are all about. I don't see any lawyers on these boards discussing these points.

btw; the dumbo comment may only apply to you. People who think in a narrow box usually don't get too far professionally, personally.

You are taking it too personally.

Like I said earlier "You are a Good Daddy". Thanks for the professional advice. I listen to "Good Daddy's" advice.

So tell me what shoud I do, "Good Daddy"???? U want me to write big messages about h1b companies, consultants, about immigrants misusing the great system devised by great Daddys like u?? U want me to praise u for being a good daddy????? U want me to tell every immigrant that they are abusing the system so they must slap themelves. U want me to tell IV folks that they are shooting at their own legs???

So being such a valuble good daddy, why don't you write a book about immigration and how immigrants are abusing the system. We don't you become a consultant to USCIS and Dept of State and advise those people that their system is being abused. Maybe you will come on CNN and other news channels. Why don't you co - anchor Lou Dobbs show????

You have no basis to say I think narrow. I am only pointing at your messages you write. Your skills are good and your intentioon to help others are appreciated but your attitude is bad which shows up on those messages you write.

 

[docboston]

I'm sure about practitioners, 110 - 130k is applicabe for researchers, or part time MD practitioner/researcher.

When you schedule appointment at the hospital you can be sure that you are going to talk with man who is making not less than 250k (and this is only startup)

Just think about it:

1. To get regular Bachelor degreee - 4 years.
2. 4 years in the Medical School (no scholarshps and it costs a lot)
3. 3-6 years in the residency (they are working 18-20 hours, with very limited numbers of days off)
they have to do very durty job during this time and during these years
their salary is ~ 30-35k. (big number of them can not "survive")
4. they have to pass exams and prove qualification each year
if they do not do it, The Board suspend their license.
You have to have license in each state where you have practice
(the same like driver license in the different states)
5. Some of them have to pay for their own professional insurance.
and it works the same way like insuarance for the car.
6. They have to buy very expensive books regarding their specialization.

Certified and licenced doctor can start his own practice when he is around 35-40 years old and before his salary was only 35K in the residence.
Many of them when they start practice have debts more 100K.
And all te time there is risk to be sued after that suspended license and doctor's career is over.

Do not you think that young doctor deserve 250K after all that.

As for salary estimation you may want to check http://www.salary.com
Make sure that you check health care practitioners (not researchers)

1. Dont need any bachelors if u r an immigrant. Just need MBBS (4 yrs from India).
2. 4 yrs of MBBS in India cost me exactly 500 Rs (Thanks to subsidized medical education)
3. Residents are limited to 80 hour work week by law, 1 day off per week is mandated, and working 18-20 yrs is a myth perpetuated by TV sopas like ER etc. Also starting pay of 1st year residend is closer to 45k, 3rd year is closer to 60k.
4. Have to clear boards evry 10 years to maintain ceertification, not yearly.
5. Malpractice insurance is paid for by the group employing you.
6. No one needs to buy any books. Most of us get them courtsey of the pharmaceutical industry.
7.I dont know of any of my collegues who had a debt of 100k!!!!
8. The risk of getting sued is a part of american life. In any case 3 out of 4 lawsuits are kicked out of the courts for lack of merit.
9. Visit http://www.flcdatacenter.com/OesWizardStart.aspx to get an estimate of physicians salary by state and speciality.

The 250 K salary is common amongst speacialist in the 2nd or 3rd year of practice. Infact, my boss, whose been in practice for 9 years filed income tax return on 2.5million for last year. I know as he had to show this to USCIS for sponsoring my GC. In general if you do private pracctice, then skys the limit. But if u want to practice in an academic environment, then the pay is less. But again "less" is a relative term.

 

[nyc8300]

I think if you are not making those amounts for sewing people up, you are better off killing yourself....
I would be better off being a doctor in India where you are treated with some respect by the served. Here it is just another job....

1. Dont need any bachelors if u r an immigrant. Just need MBBS (4 yrs from India).
2. 4 yrs of MBBS in India cost me exactly 500 Rs (Thanks to subsidized medical education)
3. Residents are limited to 80 hour work week by law, 1 day off per week is mandated, and working 18-20 yrs is a myth perpetuated by TV sopas like ER etc. Also starting pay of 1st year residend is closer to 45k, 3rd year is closer to 60k.
4. Have to clear boards evry 10 years to maintain ceertification, not yearly.
5. Malpractice insurance is paid for by the group employing you.
6. No one needs to buy any books. Most of us get them courtsey of the pharmaceutical industry.
7.I dont know of any of my collegues who had a debt of 100k!!!!
8. The risk of getting sued is a part of american life. In any case 3 out of 4 lawsuits are kicked out of the courts for lack of merit.
9. Visit http://www.flcdatacenter.com/OesWizardStart.aspx to get an estimate of physicians salary by state and speciality.

The 250 K salary is common amongst speacialist in the 2nd or 3rd year of practice. Infact, my boss, whose been in practice for 9 years filed income tax return on 2.5million for last year. I know as he had to show this to USCIS for sponsoring my GC. In general if you do private pracctice, then skys the limit. But if u want to practice in an academic environment, then the pay is less. But again "less" is a relative term.

 

[techy2468]

I think if you are not making those amounts for sewing people up, you are better off killing yourself....
I would be better off being a doctor in India where you are treated with some respect by the served. Here it is just another job....

nyc8300...........tell me you are just 22-25 of age............i am amazed at the way you keep putting your foot in the mouth at every chance you get

 

[alterego2]

Not entirely true!

1. Dont need any bachelors if u r an immigrant. Just need MBBS (4 yrs from India).
2. 4 yrs of MBBS in India cost me exactly 500 Rs (Thanks to subsidized medical education)
3. Residents are limited to 80 hour work week by law, 1 day off per week is mandated, and working 18-20 yrs is a myth perpetuated by TV sopas like ER etc. Also starting pay of 1st year residend is closer to 45k, 3rd year is closer to 60k.
4. Have to clear boards every 10 years to maintain certification, not yearly.
5. Malpractice insurance is paid for by the group employing you.
6. No one needs to buy any books. Most of us get them courtsey of the pharmaceutical industry.
7.I dont know of any of my collegues who had a debt of 100k!!!!
8. The risk of getting sued is a part of american life. In any case 3 out of 4 lawsuits are kicked out of the courts for lack of merit.
9. Visit http://www.flcdatacenter.com/OesWizardStart.aspx to get an estimate of physicians salary by state and speciality.

The 250 K salary is common amongst speacialist in the 2nd or 3rd year of practice. Infact, my boss, whose been in practice for 9 years filed income tax return on 2.5million for last year. I know as he had to show this to USCIS for sponsoring my GC. In general if you do private pracctice, then skys the limit. But if u want to practice in an academic environment, then the pay is less. But again "less" is a relative term.

Not sure your facts are entirely correct either doc.
MBBS might be 4 yrs in india but in most of the british commonwealth it is still 5 yrs and must be followed by 12-18 mths of internship whish is a must to get licenced. In the USA, what sfmars said does pertain. Your education in India might have been subsidised but many are not and certainly not in the USA.
Residencies vary tremendously in their workload and scutwork/academic balance. However you as well as I know that the 36 hrs continuous shift still does happen. It is true ACGME is clamping down to restrict the work week to 80 hrs but that is mainly in the last 3-4 yrs.
Most residencies do not pay 60K either, I was in one of the higher paying residencies in the midwest and I never crossed 40K, but that was a few years ago so perhaps I could believe 45K. 60K might be a fellowship in NY or something.
The frequency of Boards varies by specialty, some are 7 yrs some 10 and some are "grandfathered" as your boss likely is.
Whether you pay or your practice pays, it is coming out of your revenue and you work to make that revenue.
You might have done a residency in a program with a lot of FMGs, a lot of american medical graduates indeed have huge medical school debt which is crippling and does affect their decisions/choice of specialty, I have seen it. Sometimes their debts are over 200K. If you are not from a wealthy family and have had to finance your education, add it up and you will see. 4 yrs in a good college (you generally can't get into med school in the USA with a degree from anything less) then 4 yrs of tuition in any medical school as well as living expenses. I am surprised it is not more!
You will say that about lawsuits until you get sued the first time, then your whole attitude about it will change. I have seen far more physicians undeservingly demoralised by them than those who deservedly get messed up. There are indeed a few bad apples, but the system institutionalises this and puts those thoughts more front and center in a practitioner's mind than necessary.
The pay is not 250K in any primary care field. Specialties yes, and at this time, but we shall see how long that party will last! Your boss is not making that money all by himself. He is likely making some of it, off of people like you(called entrepreneurship) and has likely worked in a golden era and has tons of income from investments as well (just speculation on my part). ALso I am sure his Adjusted gross income was less. A lot of practices have a lot of revenue but the bottom line is a lot less, an office is not cheap to maintain!

 

[chanduv23]

This thread is about IV getting desperate

I am a IV member, though not core, but I follow them very closely and do all I can with financial help, webfaxes, raising awareness etc....
I am not sure, if you all know, that IV is formed by a group of people who used to visit immigration portals sometime back. The concept of IV is architectured by Rajiv Khanna himself. I remember, when EB for Indian, China retrogressed badly, Rajiv himself wrote on these forums that, the resolution is not so easy and is a long battle and it needs an organized effort and some forum members met him in person and thats how IV was started.
IV has been honest in its activities, without any business agenda, and has been committed and most of the members have been doing whatever they can. IV has grown to be a very important and influential organization, its activities have been hailed by a lot of well known people and it is growing to be a very important organization.
Please try to encourage IV and provide support. If not, please do not undermine its efforts.