Is Your Child a U.S. Citizen if Born Abroad?

There is no official definition of natural born citizen.

No, but there are cases where the Supreme Court has interpreted the clause

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857): In regard to the "natural born citizen" clause, the dissent states that it is acquired by place of birth (jus soli), not through blood or lineage (jus sanguinis): "The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, 'a natural born citizen.' It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth." (Much of the majority opinion in this case was overturned by the 14th Amendment in 1868.)

Elk v. Wilkins, 83 U.S. 36 (1872): The Court denied Elk, a Native American, the right to vote as a US citizen even though he was born on US soil, because he was born on an Indian Reservation. Elk was not born subject to the jurisdiction of the US, because he “owed immediate allegiance to” his tribe, a vassal or quasi-nation, and not to the United States. The Court held Elk was not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States at birth. “The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.”[17] This ruling was rendered moot when native Americans were granted citizenship in the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.

Slaughterhouse Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1872): The Court discussed the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment: "the phrase 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign states, born within the United States."

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874): "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): In this case, the majority of the Court held that a child born in U.S. territory to parents who were subjects of the emperor of China but who had “a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China” was a U.S. Citizen. The Court stated that: "The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [citizen and natural born citizen], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'"[3] Since there was no definition found in the constitution, the majority adopted the common law of England that was a carry over from feudal times. The dissent argued that the meaning of the “subject to the jurisdiction” language found in 14th Amendment was the same as that found in the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provides: “All persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.” On the meaning of “natural born citizen,” the dissent also cited the preeminent treatise on international law by Emerich de Vattel entitled “The Law of Nations” which was known to have influenced the drafters of the original constitution:[18] "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens."[19] The dissenters also noted that: "it is unreasonable to conclude that 'natural born citizen' applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances; and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay, or other race, were eligible to the presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not."[3]

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939): The U.S. Supreme Court concluded that Marie Elizabeth Elg, who was born in the United States of Swedish parents naturalized in the United States, had not lost her birthright U.S. citizenship because of her removal during minority to Sweden and was entitled to all the rights and privileges of that U.S. citizenship. In this case, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the decree that declared Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States."

Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964): The Court voided a statute that provided that a naturalized citizen should lose his United States citizenship if, following naturalization, he resided continuously for three years in his former homeland. "We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the 'natural born' citizen is eligible to be President."

Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 (1971): Reviews the history of citizenship legislation and of the Fourteenth Amendment's Citizenship Clause.

This excludes children of diplomats and other foreigners serving in official capacity as stipulated in the Vienna Convention.

The only thing for sure is that people who obtained citizenship after their birthday are not natural born citizens.

That's a vague definition of it, I'm afraid. What you probably meant to say was that no one who held citizenship from another country before being granted US citizenship is a natural born citizen.
 
The courts have never ruled on the meaning of "natural-born." Most legal scholars have written that if you are born overseas to American parents then you should be considered a natural-born citizen. But scholars are not judges and their view is not binding.

I would definitely have my kids born here. After Obama's election you never know what your kid is capable of achieving.
 
That's a vague definition of it, I'm afraid.
This is an informal web forum, not a court. You expect me to use precise legalese?
What you probably meant to say was that no one who held citizenship from another country before being granted US citizenship is a natural born citizen.
No quite ... the person could have been stateless before becoming a US citizen.

Basically, there are some scenarios where we can say for sure the person is NOT a natural born citizen. Born on 1/31/1981 and became a US citizen on 2/1/1981? Not a natural born citizen. But other scenarios where the citizenship was granted at birth are ambiguous regarding whether the citizenship was obtained as "natural born citizen".
 
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This is an informal web forum, not a court. You expect me to use precise legalese?

No, just sentences that are not open to wide interpretation. Children born in the US are not legally citizens until they obtain a birth certificate. That can be done, for example, 2 weeks after their birthday. To say that children who obtain their citizenship "after their birthday are not natural born citizens" is vague.

No quite ... the person could have been stateless before becoming a US citizen.

No one is born stateless. Everybody had some type of citizenship before losing it.
 
No, just sentences that are not open to wide interpretation. Children born in the US are not legally citizens until they obtain a birth certificate.
That is absolutely not correct. Maybe they don't have proof of US citizenship until they obtain a birth certificate or passport, but they automatically and legally became citizens the very moment their body was extracted from their mother (assuming they're aren't the child of a diplomat or other such exceptions).
 
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That is absolutely not correct. Maybe they don't have proof of US citizenship until they obtain a birth certificate or passport, but they automatically and legally became citizens the very moment their body was extracted from their mother (assuming they're aren't the child of a diplomat or other such exceptions).


Philosophically yes, but in practice, one is a citizen if one has a way to prove his citizenship. A birth certificate is one such proof. Someone could be born somewhere isolated and have no contact with the world for 15 years. If that person is not registered, the government has no idea who that person is and, as far as they're concerned, that person is not a citizen. It's a bit of an extreme example, but much like everything else in life, documentation is key.
 
Philosophically yes, but in practice, one is a citizen if one has a way to prove his citizenship.
Legally the person still was a citizen since birth. If such a US-born person without a birth certificate or other proof answered "Yes" to every question on a government form that asks "Are you a US citizen?" (remember these often don't ask for proof), and they voted in Federal elections, and they served jury duty swearing under oath that they have US citizenship, they were telling the truth all the time even though they didn't have proof.

If the government prosecutes them for lying about having citizenship, and during their investigations they find hospital records confirming the birth, they can't say "you were lying because you didn't have a birth certificate or passport or citizenship certificate years ago when you claimed to be a citizen." No, they'd have to drop the case because the person was a citizen since birth.
 
What are you talking about? At least half of administrative law cases are about the specific meaning of words in the laws.

Words on their own mean nothing. Their relationship to the wording of the law is what matters. The Supreme Court didn't sit down and interpret what "natural born citizen" means in terms of grammar, but what it means in relation to the rest of the law. If that were the case, anyone accused of murder would dispute what the word "murder" exactly means, or theft or espionage, or whatever. We would have all these cases of Supreme Court deciding what murder actually means, or theft, or intellectual property infringement, etc.

Jackolantern:

Legally the person still was a citizen since birth. If such a US-born person without a birth certificate or other proof answered "Yes" to every question on a government form that asks "Are you a US citizen?" (remember these often don't ask for proof), and they voted in Federal elections, and they served jury duty swearing under oath that they have US citizenship, they were telling the truth all the time even though they didn't have proof.

If the government prosecutes them for lying about having citizenship, and during their investigations they find hospital records confirming the birth, they can't say "you were lying because you didn't have a birth certificate or passport or citizenship certificate years ago when you claimed to be a citizen." No, they'd have to drop the case because the person was a citizen since birth.

I agree.
 
Philosophically yes, but in practice, one is a citizen if one has a way to prove his citizenship. A birth certificate is one such proof. Someone could be born somewhere isolated and have no contact with the world for 15 years. If that person is not registered, the government has no idea who that person is and, as far as they're concerned, that person is not a citizen. It's a bit of an extreme example, but much like everything else in life, documentation is key.

If I do not have a birth certificate, am I really alive?
 
If I do not have a birth certificate, am I really alive?

You need to pay attention. We're not talking about philosophical questions of the tree in an empty wood, but legal procedures related to establishing, documenting and maintaining citizenship. When you apply for a passport, do you provide proof of your citizenship or do you just tell them you were born here/there and they accept that as an indisputable fact?
 
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