Here is the Govt's Response to The complaint

Re: Cinta -- just shut up please

Originally posted by isakimuthu
I am seeing the discussions for the past few days on this thread.Everybody has a right to write what they think is right. You keep attacking Mr.P directly on whatever he writes.I have read numerous posts of Mr.P and basically he is very good at providing an alternative opinion. At least I came to know about what kyle said in the asylum case after he wrote about it here not where you say or boast as you already did. Also is just saying about that case from his own view....he is not saying aaahhh here is a new case i found. If you can't digest him why don't you get out of the forum and leave us peacefully to read alternative opinions of everybody? If you feel that you have done all the analysis already then why don't you go and argue the case in court? Why do you show-off that you have already done everything and that recent opinions are worthless? You seem to think that you are the end of your own world. Since my own future hangs on this Class Action suit let me ask you to please SHUT UP. At least I have a right to read opinions of Mr.P and other respected members of TSC forum. At least I get a number of other tidbits from his classical writing touching philosophy and literature and he digresses a lot and writes interestingly. If they were only ancient references none of the lawyers or judges or psychologists would be studying about those 'ANCIENT' philosophies in order to become a legal professional or a psychologist etc. Come on give a break. You and your arguments seem too pathetic. The day you become a volunteer moderator am sure many will leave the forum. I am sure from what you have written out of jealousy that you probably have only heard the names like Plato and Socrates and have googled it to know that they were Greek. Good for you. And shut up. Don't play with my future and the class action suit. If you have problems with Mr.P deal with it in front of the mirror or write to him directly. There is a PM button that you can use.

Please watch your language in the forum. You can use it when face to face. My postings and research are there as a proof. Be professional in this forum and elsewhere! Whatever I did and did not do is for a lot of people to judge but certainly not yourself, judging from the number of your posts. If you need to know the history of the petitions and eventual litigation is there for all to see. There are no secrets here. Once again you are welcome for a meeting with me and tell me to shut up!
As far as the ANCIENT, I am Greek and studied the listed in Ancient Greek as well as Modern Greek.
Hope you get something and clean your mouth also!

Note: You just found out about this case! Spend more time, be more pro-active and you will find the IMPORTANT news IN TIME.
 
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Re: Re: Cinta -- just shut up please

Originally posted by cinta
Please watch your language in the forum. You can use it when face to face. My postings and research are there as a proof. Be professional in this forum and elsewhere! Whatever I did and did not do is for a lot of people to judge but certainly not yourself, judging from the number of your posts. If you need to know the history of the petitions and eventual litigation is there for all to see. There are no secrets here. Once again you are welcome for a meeting with me and tell me to shut up!
As far as the ANCIENT, I am Greek and studied the listed in Ancient Greek as well as Modern Greek.
Hope you get something and clean your mouth also!
Aaahhhh devil quoting the scriptures. Did I call you donkey as you did in this very same thread against your opponent? Basically Mr P also said the same thing...his stuff is for people to see and I have seen him in my forum. Who said that there were secrets? Maybe people like u were so obsessed with your own publicity that you chose not to make it well publicized so that people like me know about it before itself.I don't care if you studied or copied or plagiarized Greek in its pathetic ancient or current form. You better clean EVERYTHING and if you act like a bully I will too. At least I reserve my postings to a few. I know you had more time to bully and badmouth others to reach where you are right now. Hey cinta...u cannot silence me down. OK? I am not like Mr.P to even say sorry but will only write the way when i see people like you write. I will pay you in the same token becoz u are directly a threat to this class suit by silencing MANY. Who gave u the right man? My blood boils to see u weaken peoples coming together and thereby constituting a direct threat to my prospects.
 
Interested People in suit -- dont affect personal animosity to destroy our case

There are self-centered publicity-seeking morons who are lashing out at constructive thoughts flowing from other well known participants.If all of us stay as silent spectators giving people like cinta to lash out at others or their style of writing it is your case and my case that is getting affected. At least dignified people who were attacked had the guts to ask that this is not one of personalities but of facts. people like cinta do not get it.I am more bothered about that than Mr.P or Mr.X or whatever. If you folks do not condemn the high-handedness of cinta we all will be hurting our stakes the most. people like cinta should be shown their proper if they still cannot engage in constructive dialog as requested by many in this thread. even rajiv was agreeing on some of the core points of mr.p. So who is cinta other than just a trouble-monger in this forum.The way mr.p turned the tables against another folk on Utopia as being a toponym is one example that this guy has some kind of lawyerish mind in him which can be put to use to our benefit. Let us not kill such talents becoz of a few who claim to have studied philosophy yet not know how to engage in persuasion and cognitive thinking. Sucks esp when it hurts my outcome on the case.

rajiv: I do not want this case to be weakened by people like cinta.I have a right to demand it. please see to it that bullies are not allowed to have their say. no wonder not many tsc participants are visiting this thread.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Cinta -- just shut up please

Originally posted by isakimuthu
Aaahhhh devil quoting the scriptures. Did I call you donkey as you did in this very same thread against your opponent? Basically Mr P also said the same thing...his stuff is for people to see and I have seen him in my forum. Who said that there were secrets? Maybe people like u were so obsessed with your own publicity that you chose not to make it well publicized so that people like me know about it before itself.I don't care if you studied or copied or plagiarized Greek in its pathetic ancient or current form. You better clean EVERYTHING and if you act like a bully I will too. At least I reserve my postings to a few. I know you had more time to bully and badmouth others to reach where you are right now. Hey cinta...u cannot silence me down. OK? I am not like Mr.P to even say sorry but will only write the way when i see people like you write. I will pay you in the same token becoz u are directly a threat to this class suit by silencing MANY. Who gave u the right man? My blood boils to see u weaken peoples coming together and thereby constituting a direct threat to my prospects.

Nobody called nobody names, DUDE.

"I respectfully dismiss your high-horsed personal suggestion to me." The comment was about the quote. If you feel you need to settle anything with me, anywhere, anytime, you are welcome.
Your comments are an insult not only to myself but to a group of people who really fought for everybody, long before you wrote your first essay on these forums. You can post and write like everybody else, make alliances, join the core group or any group and define direction. Do it professionally and keep your foul language for your family. Nobody likes it and it is even more true for my own background. There are no opponents here, and no fights. With the same token all observations expressed still stand. As far as your identity you are only one possible member of a possible Class Action. Bear that in mind. Your case is not more important than mine or anybody else's.

Note: You own an APOLOGY for your earlier comments and shut up directions.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Cinta -- just shut up please

Originally posted by cinta
Do it professionally and keep your foul language for your family.
Note: You own an APOLOGY for your earlier comments and shut up directions.
You can reserve your tirade to your own family as well.

I OWE NO APOLOGY not the least TO YOU. Why dont you prove your half a cent worth by persuasion. Anybody will say that while Mr.p and rajam and others were arguing about facts u were the one to find fault on style or language or comma or semicolon with total contempt for the facts(despite you not knowing the difference between OWN and OWE; just take that holier than thou or i know better than anybody else attitude; Sucks....terribly to even type something like this to a person like u who are here to weaken our case not strengthen anymore) that those guys had written. I tell u this -- if u do not tone down ur criticism against other participants in this forum i will certainly argue against that. I dont need to apologize. You kidding? You are not to prioritize my stake out of others stakes. I am important to myself and maybe not to u.So are u to me and hence i write that u respectfully argue or just quit. Who are you to say that my outcome is not as important as others. You are a publicity seeker and at the most all u have done is worth nothing especially when i see you to be the direct threat by not allowing others to freely voice their opinion. Hope u heard me clear. U may of been some help before to this case but not as of now. So if you really want to help all of us either converse constructively or just quit the forum. I keep repeating this. After 10 years of staying here the only hopes i have is on the suit. I will not allow selfish publicity seekers to hurt that and hurt me as well.
 
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TO ALL,
Let's all focus on common issue namely I-485 backlog at CIS. Please remember that we all are on the same side and suffering due to harm done by CIS. The current backlog problem at CIS is not due to CIS but due to the fact that we didn't join hands to notify the concerned authorities at the appropriate time.

Let's all help Rajiv who is helping us. As Rajiv mentioned we all should contact Congressional office and request their help.

 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cinta -- just shut up please

Originally posted by isakimuthu
You can reserve your tirade to your own family as well.

I OWE NO APOLOGY not the least TO YOU. Why dont you prove your half a cent worth by persuasion. Anybody will say that while Mr.p and rajam and others were arguing about facts u were the one to find fault on style or language or comma or semicolon with total contempt for the facts(despite you not knowing the difference between OWN and OWE; just take that holier than thou or i know better than anybody else attitude; Sucks....terribly to even type something like this to a person like u who are here to weaken our case not strengthen anymore) that those guys had written. I tell u this -- if u do not tone down ur criticism against other participants in this forum i will certainly argue against that. I dont need to apologize. You kidding? You are not to prioritize my stake out of others stakes. I am important to myself and maybe not to u.So are u to me and hence i write that u respectfully argue or just quit. Who are you to say that my outcome is not as important as others. You are a publicity seeker and at the most all u have done is worth nothing especially when i see you to be the direct threat by not allowing others to freely voice their opinion. Hope u heard me clear. U may of been some help before to this case but not as of now. So if you really want to help all of us either converse constructively or just quit the forum. I keep repeating this. After 10 years of staying here the only hopes i have is on the suit. I will not allow selfish publicity seekers to hurt that and hurt me as well.

Same to you my friend! Your ten years do not compare to my twenty two years. RELAX. Rajiv knows me through private messages, e-mails and on going communication. The same with AILA, MPI and Congress and other lobbying groups and people. This forum is only one avenue that I am following.
You sound like you have a lot of fear. Be fearless, we will carry you along. Just try to behave. Others before you questioned also all of the activities of the first core group..you are not the first one, not the last one. I just hope that your case is not pure fraud, that is all.
The fact that you have something to hold on for hope (lawsuit), may have something to do with CINTA and other fellows. Just respect that!

If you like NO apologies, then do not insult people or tell them to shut up, especially when you do not know them.
 
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Please stop fighting. There is no point in sparring each other in this forum. I would think that it is probably the frustration with the slow(non)-moving GC process that is making us turn on each other. Our cause would be better served if we present a united front. Obviously, every persson on this forum has something valuable to add, even if he is being the devil's advocate. Any contrary opinion would only let us prepare our case better. So, in that spirit, I would request all the members to be tolerant of others' opinion. And it would help if discussions are based around issues and not personalities.

Sorry, if I sounded too pedantic, but this was just getting out of hand.

Warm regards,

extra_dry_gin
 
Please stop fighting. There is no point in sparring each other in this forum. I would think that it is probably the frustration with the slow(non)-moving GC process that is making us turn on each other. Our cause would be better served if we present a united front. Obviously, every persson on this forum has something valuable to add, even if he is being the devil's advocate. Any contrary opinion would only let us prepare our case better. So, in that spirit, I would request all the members to be tolerant of others' opinion. And it would help if discussions are based around issues and not personalities.

Sorry, if I sounded too pedantic, but this was just getting out of hand.

Warm regards,

extra_dry_gin
 
Please stop fighting. There is no point in sparring each other in this forum. I would think that it is probably the frustration with the slow(non)-moving GC process that is making us turn on each other. Our cause would be better served if we present a united front. Obviously, every persson on this forum has something valuable to add, even if he is being the devil's advocate. Any contrary opinion would only let us prepare our case better. So, in that spirit, I would request all the members to be tolerant of others' opinion. And it would help if discussions are based around issues and not personalities.

Sorry, if I sounded too pedantic, but this was just getting out of hand.

Warm regards,

extra_dry_gin
 
Please stop fighting. There is no point in sparring each other in this forum. I would think that it is probably the frustration with the slow(non)-moving GC process that is making us turn on each other. Our cause would be better served if we present a united front. Obviously, every persson on this forum has something valuable to add, even if he is being the devil's advocate. Any contrary opinion would only let us prepare our case better. So, in that spirit, I would request all the members to be tolerant of others' opinion. And it would help if discussions are based around issues and not personalities.

Sorry, if I sounded too pedantic, but this was just getting out of hand.

Warm regards,

extra_dry_gin
 
Please stop fighting. There is no point in sparring each other in this forum. I would think that it is probably the frustration with the slow(non)-moving GC process that is making us turn on each other. Our cause would be better served if we present a united front. Obviously, every persson on this forum has something valuable to add, even if he is being the devil's advocate. Any contrary opinion would only let us prepare our case better. So, in that spirit, I would request all the members to be tolerant of others' opinion. And it would help if discussions are based around issues and not personalities.

Sorry, if I sounded too pedantic, but this was just getting out of hand.

Warm regards,

extra_dry_gin
 
extra_dry_gin,
please delete those repeat messages.

others,
NEVER EVER TRASH OTHERS. You can trash some body's posting, but not the person. Every one has his self respect at stake. Ofcourse, there are people who take trashing of their post as personal attack and i apeal to them to "learn to accept critism of your post as criticism of your post and not as personal criticism". This message is pretty generic and not aimed at any one. One more important tip. If you find that some one keeps on replying with nonsensical attacks, just tell him that you are not going to reply anymore irrespective of the other person's comments. Don't go for tit for tat replies.
 
To all,
Please stop fighting. Let's focus on I-485 backlog issue. We have to fight with CIS not among us.

Please respect everyone. For those of you who don't know Cinta and Poon. Cinta is a active member of I-485 VSC forum and he participated and initiated lot of the discussions related to I-485 backlogs and other immigration issues. His messages were useful for everyone. Poon is a active member of I-485 TSC forum and he used to give very good advice on legal and non-legal issues for our members. The confusion is just because Poon joined the discussion of current topic just now.
Let's forget the miscommunication and move ahead.

Let's focus on I-485 backlog issue. We have to fight with CIS not among us
 
I-485 statistics

Take a look at the useful analysis provided by nemessis
Originally posted by nemessis
For people more interested in numbers, this Excel spreadsheet might help you:

For the first spreadsheet 485_02: the data is from sbctsublc weekly posting on I485 thread. Line 1 is the date of the scan, lines 2-13, every month in 2002, col B the total nr of cases, column D-M the number of touched (Approved, transf and withdr/denied). Line 16-17, are the Total and remaining cases for the whole year. For the last 3 scans because there was no update for Oct-Dec I used the same numbers. Line 19 shows the difference from the previous reading, or the pace of "touching" the cases. March 15 is higher because it has 2 weeks. As you can see the pattern is very similar despite the fact the belief that after H1 cap will be reached they will move the resourced to GC applic. Lines 21-34 have the same data but as a ratio=nr touched/total for each month/per scan. The ratio is plotted on the first chart to have the evolution of the process by month. If you want to see if there is a month where they gave priority as a nr of cases processed, look at lines 76-87, or Chart 2 - looks like Apr02 and Sept 02 has the highest nr of processed cases per week; this might be related with the fact that in this 2 months there were a higher nr of applications that in the other months. Chart 3 shows the evolution of the processed cases with different scanning (as a ratio) and Chart 4 the same thing but having the total nr of cases plotted in as the first column.

The second spreadsheet 485_03: I want to the same analysis but I don't have enough data, the guys doing the scan didn't post the data for 2003.

The third spreadsheet: EB_VSC_485: shows a chart with the evolution of the delay in time. Delay is defined by the difference between the time of the report from the USCIS Web site and the processing date from the report. Covers more than 2 years and shows how the delay increased in the last 2 years from 300 to 700 days with a small tendency to go in a plateau recently.

The forth spreadsheet: EB_VSC_140: shows the delay for 140 for different categories. I marked in red EB2 because I applied in this category. Things seem to improve for EB2,3,4 recently but still a long way to go back to normal.

The fifth spreadsheet: data from ImmigrationWatch.com, their last posting. Lines 1-20 the actual numbers, 24-42 the ratio. As you can see they are working in the area March-June 2003

The sixth spreadsheet: the same analysis for I485 from ImmigrationWatch.com in chart 1. Chart 2 has the number of I485 cases for each month, and chart 3 shows the number of completed (touched) in blue compared with total number of cases.

The seventh spreadsheet: source ImmigrationWatch.com - total nr of I140 per month - shows the evolutions of approvals per month in time (chart 1). Chart 2 is a different way to look to the same data but we can clearly see that they are working in March-June 03. Chart 3, again the same data but with the total nr of cases for comparison.

The eight spreadsheet: incomplete because of the lack of data. I will update when data will be available.

Hope that this spreadsheet helps with some numbers and to understand what the USCIS is doing. Definitively they increased their interest in 140 but no in 485 in the last month at least.
 
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Dear All,
Please don't fight here and pass personal comments..Please...Please. I know some one is not patient as every other and also some Moderator takes liberty thinking that they are supreme than other like CINTA. Just ignore them...There are thousands of reader and they respect the diffrences like what originaly "P" started with his valuable good points. If some Moderator like Cinta does not behave then please forgive them. Again please respect each other comments. Hope things will get better. Good Luck
 
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Originally posted by Alok2004
Dear All,
Please don't fight here and pass personal comments..Please...Please. I know some one is not patient as every other and also some Moderator takes liberty thinking that they are supreme than other like CINTA. Just ignore them...There are thousands of reader and they respect the diffrences like what originaly "P" started with his valuable good points. If some Moderator like Cinta does not behave then please forgive them. Again please respect each other comments. Hope things will get better. Good Luck

My friend I am not a Moderator at all! Rajiv moderates this thread. You become eligible by the number of posts you have, including Help and Congratulations posts which I avoid as much as possible. I am not interested in any Moderator position or any Core team position (offered and declined) or glory or anything. If you do not like my posts or my input, just ignore it. There are a lot of opinions around to follow. This forum like others need a diversified group of people. They just need time and patience to build up a record and reputation and face the facts.
I am forty-eight years old with more than twenty in the US alone. I know very well what I am talking about on all of my posts. Most of my family are US Citizens through family immigration and big spenders in time and money for Lobbying causes. Do not make the assumption that we all came from a single place with the help of a "bodyshop" to work and stay in the US! No we are all different. You do not like it, suggest to the Moderator solutions. There is a professional way to do it. No insults, no threads, no whining. You want to set an agenda different than what we have been fighting so far, there is a way to get nominated and elected in the Core team. Unfortunately, when the time was ripe none of you guys were around. Now is already late for the so called "opinions". The COURT will decide. It is even late? to change popular opinion. The suit was filed in November/December. At that time, NOBODY (almost) was around! This shows the opportunistic nature of a lot of people in this forum. We saw this even during Petition drives, when people were afraid to sign a simple petition. To paraphrase edison "forgive our sisters and brothers"! Even today the same saying still holds. We saw this in reaching to the Press, to the Congress and in formulating a path to Litigation...
So to all the wise newcomers: America is BIG in its heart. It can hold all of us. Do not try to intimidate people as they are not in your house.
 
CINTA,

You may be a senoir member but you're postings are so intolerant of other's view points. If you can't tolerate other's point of view keep shut. Don't attack as if you only have all the answers.

The replies you made to Mr.P and others goes to prove about your frustration in not agreeing/disagreeing on other's point of view. Through your reply comments you're making fool of yourself.

Sooooo, try to concentrate on the work at hand rather than personal boasting.

No pun intended....
 
ImmigrationWatch.com is bogus

Edison, Nemesis

The analysis presented by nemesis is nice. But the underlying data from ImmigrationWatch.com is wrong. From the site, if you add up the total number of cases across the service centers by case type, the numbers reported by them falls far short of the figures published by CIS.

For example, as per that site the total number of I140 cases filed in 2003 is 47K and number of cases approved is 32K, while the actual number is around 175K as per CIS. For I130 it is less than 10%.

We do not know who owns the site, the links to register do not work, the login button does nothing. They also do not say where they get their data from.

Most likely, when someone uses the site to query their case status, the info is captured. Which is why the numbers are far less than the actual.
 
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Dear CINTA,
Again your comments is very narrow and limited to my identity. I started looking this thread since I came to know Rajiv and others when he fought for my son's employement case. He is waiting for his Green Card and I was simply a moot reader of this forum by hearing from him. When I saw going this thread is just revolving on your baseless personal comments which "P" and others started then today I opened my account and posted my comments. I was planning to visit Rajiv again next week for that rerason. Please do not obsssesed with some one join late or you are doing something extra so that you need extra attention. This is open for all readers. After this I WILL NOT REPLY even you post any comments as you did for all others. Please respect others. Thanks
Alok
 
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