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DV13 stats released!!!

http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/FY13AnnualReport-TableXV.pdf

This link will help us to understand why AF gets up to 50% of dv visas.
In all cathegories immigrant visa africa as you can notice stay with +- the same total earned from the dv. While asia that gets about 10k sias from the dv, gets in all cathegories up to 180'k to 190k..
EU double the number of visas obtained in the dv...
OC same rate as EU double quota .....
SA over 30k annually ..
Sloner have a look at it!
 
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vladek15425 said:
Ok but than I see it shows 3 time a row for diversity, with different totals ! I don't get it ?
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The first number for Diversity is the TOTAL number of visas issued that year. The next Diversity row is the aos numbers (those are included already in the first TOTAL. The third time Diversity is mentioned is the new arrivals - the net increase, because aos people are already there.

Most interesting thing to me is that the numbers for the TOTAL do not tally with other officially released numbers.
 
Haven't read through everything but this link from another thread helps explain the Iranian allocation - stating 7% of available visas (vs 7% of 50000 - I think this was speculated but this does seem to confirm it)

Furthermore, the law that established the DV program stipulates that applicants from a single country cannot be issued more than seven percent of the available visas in any one fiscal year.
 
britsimon said:
The first number for Diversity is the TOTAL number of visas issued that year. The next Diversity row is the aos numbers (those are included already in the first TOTAL. The third time Diversity is mentioned is the new arrivals - the net increase, because aos people are already there.

Most interesting thing to me is that the numbers for the TOTAL do not tally with other officially released numbers.
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Mmmm than its like house 409 said must be the give ups after getting the visas makes me sad :(
 
vladek15425 said:
Mmmm than its like house 409 said must be the give ups after getting the visas makes me sad :(
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In this DHS table, they specifically mention 'admissions', whereas DOS specifically mention 'visa issuance'.

To me, that's not the same and explains the difference in the stats.

I am not surprised at all that people getting a DV visa stamped on their passport don't necessarily travel to the US to activate their LPR status.
 
It makes me sad also :( but that's their choice. I am not really fond of people pursuing their case 'just in case' they need a green card, with no real intention to move to the US.
 
vladek15425 said:
Mmmm than its like house 409 said must be the give ups after getting the visas makes me sad :(
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House409 said:
In this DHS table, they specifically mention 'admissions', whereas DOS specifically mention 'visa issuance'.

To me, that's not the same and explains the difference in the stats.

I am not surprised at all that people getting a DV visa stamped on their passport don't necessarily travel to the US to activate their LPR status.
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I agree the admissions vs visa issuances, but I think the effect is to make these numbers very skewed for our purposes.

In 2012 for instance there were 35k visas issued. However the DOS numbers show ~38k admissions for 2012. But of course someone getting a visa on the last day of DV2011 is going to be a FY2012 admission. Since most people have up to 6 months to initiate their LPR status these numbers could have significant lag in them.

So, these numbers are useful to look at trends etc and show the aos vs cp cases etc, but let's not get too concerned with the actual numbers.

As for the people that get a GC "just in case", I am not sure that happens that often. The process is not easy or cheap. Most people would take up their chance once they have been through that whole thing - even if they don't then succeed in settling and have to return....
 
House409 said:
It does include the AOS.

Dept of State statistics count the total number of visa issued (including AOS), while Dept of Homeland Security counts the total number of visa holders who have entered the US (plus the ones who did AOS and got their green card while on American soil).
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I think there are following differences between DOS and USCIS data:
1. DOS counts per specific program (DV-12), the number of visas given (not necessarily used for entry) and the number of AOS's done
2. USCIS counts per fiscal year, the number of persons who immigrated to the US (which means crossed the border during the fiscal year, or did AOS)

So, if you got a visa at the end of DV-12, DOS will count you in DV-12, but USCUS would count you in 2013, when you entered US with the visa. Also, if you got the visa but did not use it, USCIS would not count you at all.
 
britsimon said:
I agree the admissions vs visa issuances, but I think the effect is to make these numbers very skewed for our purposes.

In 2012 for instance there were 35k visas issued. However the DOS numbers show ~38k admissions for 2012. But of course someone getting a visa on the last day of DV2011 is going to be a FY2012 admission. Since most people have up to 6 months to initiate their LPR status these numbers could have significant lag in them.

So, these numbers are useful to look at trends etc and show the aos vs cp cases etc, but let's not get too concerned with the actual numbers.

As for the people that get a GC "just in case", I am not sure that happens that often. The process is not easy or cheap. Most people would take up their chance once they have been through that whole thing - even if they don't then succeed in settling and have to return....
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Absolutely right Simon, as always :)
 
raevsky said:
I think there are following differences between DOS and USCIS data:
1. DOS counts per specific program (DV-12), the number of visas given (not necessarily used for entry) and the number of AOS's done
2. USCIS counts per fiscal year, the number of persons who immigrated to the US (which means crossed the border during the fiscal year, or did AOS)

So, if you got a visa at the end of DV-12, DOS will count you in DV-12, but USCUS would count you in 2013, when you entered US with the visa. Also, if you got the visa but did not use it, USCIS would not count you at all.
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Yep. There is this 'border' effect from one fiscal year to the following, and visa issuance timing does not coincide with entry on American soil.

What is interesting is the low AOS number vs CP number.
 
House409 said:
Yep. There is this 'border' effect from one fiscal year to the following, and visa issuance timing does not coincide with entry on American soil.

What is interesting is the low AOS number vs CP number.
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DOS data allows also calculating AOS number per specific program. Table 3 is CP only, table 7 is AOS + CP combined. You can get the number of AOS's using subtraction
 
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