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DV 2021 ALL SELECTEES

vtsonev said:
What is the exact email address that the KCC email requesting documents arrives from? I want to make sure I don't miss it in my gmail and that I also check my spam / junk folder in case it arrives there by mistake.
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Honestly i didn't ask

Am waiting also for an email from KCC.
I have created an email few months ago only to use it for DV lottery so emails won't mixed up between all the folders in the gmail.
 
Sm1smom said:
You were not issued with an A#.
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Thank you for this!

One more question - on the page for education, should I be including education that I'm still currently studying at? It has a field where it asks for Degree/Diploma/Certificate Received but since I haven't finished studying yet, I technically haven't received the certificate. By the time the interview rolls around, I will have received the certificate though. Should I fill it out preemptively knowing I will receive the certificate? Or leave it out considering it hasn't been completed at the time of submitting the DS260
 
88lucky21 said:
Thank you for this!

One more question - on the page for education, should I be including education that I'm still currently studying at? It has a field where it asks for Degree/Diploma/Certificate Received but since I haven't finished studying yet, I technically haven't received the certificate. By the time the interview rolls around, I will have received the certificate though. Should I fill it out preemptively knowing I will receive the certificate? Or leave it out considering it hasn't been completed at the time of submitting the DS260
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Include the institution, n/a for degree received becasue you do not have it as of date of submission. You can update that at your interview.
 
Britsimon said:
Same as last year. If there are no backlogs, they don't have to prioritize by case number. So - people get very worked up about case number order but it does not always follow that high case numbers will wait - again - depending on backlogs.
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Hi Simon, can you elaborate the "backlog" thing more? Overall, is it a good sign that KCC started requiring documents earlier than usual or it basically means nothing? I think we can't make assumptions about holes solely with those dates right? I'm from EU region and last year they start asking for documents at end of the july, afaik.

Also thank you and other people/moderators for helping people here.
 
gmeteor said:
Hi Simon, can you elaborate the "backlog" thing more? Overall, is it a good sign that KCC started requiring documents earlier than usual or it basically means nothing? I think we can't make assumptions about holes solely with those dates right? I'm from EU region and last year they start asking for documents at end of the july, afaik.

Also thank you and other people/moderators for helping people here.
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It's very common for people to try to read signs from various things in DV world. In general that is an exercise in frustration. Over recent weeks we have had people convinced of processing clues based on email conformations and outputs etc, and invariably that leads to someone else being confused because someone else's experience doesn't fit the model.

Backlogs are kind of the key to that - and its a big and somewhat confusing topic.

KCC, like any organization, has some ways to organize their work, but those methods change when the backlogs are reduced, and the backlogs can very quickly grow. So their behavior two weeks ago may not be the same as today - and that causes confusion.

So what do I mean about backlogs. Many people rushed to submit their DS260s very soon after results day, partly because the email makes it sound like speed is important to hold your spot (which is untrue), or people get an impression that they can get ahead of the queue by moving fast (also untrue). But, that would have created some backlog of DS260 processing, so when there is a backlog KCC would generally revert to a case number ordering. But without backlogs they could be running an "as submitted" method. Couple that with a reality that not all DS260s take the same time to process (based on travel history, country of residence etc), and you'll get some pretty confusing results. So one person will get very gfast DS260 processing, someone else could wait.

Then KCC have some discretion about asking for documents. They actually started using an old email DS260 confirmation email recently which I pointed out to them was incorrect. The confirmation said the applicant did NOT need to send any documents to KCC - which is obviously untrue, and it was simply because they mistakenly reverted to an old email format. Hopefully that is corrected now, but I only informed them late last week I think - and it was news to them.

Now - they are sending Document request emails. They could easily cause a backlog by sending too many of those too fast. They did that in October/November 2019 and that caused backlog AND appears to have created many "lost" document scenarios. Those were hard to track because of the two department thing, and quite frankly that whole mess will end up costing some people their Green Cards. But from a selectee point of view it certainly led to a confusing experience in terms of how KCC prioritize the document processing.

But again - they can choose how to send out the document emails, so they can to some extent control the backlog, but of course the responses are also varying based on things like the ban, how that makes people behave, how COVID closures affect the obtaining of documents and so on. We could easily see backlogs grow when COVID closures generally end in authorities such as those providing police certs and so on.

You can only figure these things out at a macro level - if you only get focused on your case, or cases in your country, you will almost always be confused. Of course KCC don't tell us when these backlogs are occurring, and to some extent they don't seem to even know (again partly because of the two department scenario).

I realize that might be more confusing than clear - and I do try and correct people sometimes, but honestly I just get tired of correcting people that don't want to listen or believe they know better based on their 5 minutes of experience. So, hopefully you can pick something out of that to improve your understanding - but this is "wait and see" becomes the most valuable approach, because ultimately the answers are not always black and white.
 
Britsimon said:
It's very common for people to try to read signs from various things in DV world. In general that is an exercise in frustration. Over recent weeks we have had people convinced of processing clues based on email conformations and outputs etc, and invariably that leads to someone else being confused because someone else's experience doesn't fit the model.

Backlogs are kind of the key to that - and its a big and somewhat confusing topic.

KCC, like any organization, has some ways to organize their work, but those methods change when the backlogs are reduced, and the backlogs can very quickly grow. So their behavior two weeks ago may not be the same as today - and that causes confusion.

So what do I mean about backlogs. Many people rushed to submit their DS260s very soon after results day, partly because the email makes it sound like speed is important to hold your spot (which is untrue), or people get an impression that they can get ahead of the queue by moving fast (also untrue). But, that would have created some backlog of DS260 processing, so when there is a backlog KCC would generally revert to a case number ordering. But without backlogs they could be running an "as submitted" method. Couple that with a reality that not all DS260s take the same time to process (based on travel history, country of residence etc), and you'll get some pretty confusing results. So one person will get very gfast DS260 processing, someone else could wait.

Then KCC have some discretion about asking for documents. They actually started using an old email DS260 confirmation email recently which I pointed out to them was incorrect. The confirmation said the applicant did NOT need to send any documents to KCC - which is obviously untrue, and it was simply because they mistakenly reverted to an old email format. Hopefully that is corrected now, but I only informed them late last week I think - and it was news to them.

Now - they are sending Document request emails. They could easily cause a backlog by sending too many of those too fast. They did that in October/November 2019 and that caused backlog AND appears to have created many "lost" document scenarios. Those were hard to track because of the two department thing, and quite frankly that whole mess will end up costing some people their Green Cards. But from a selectee point of view it certainly led to a confusing experience in terms of how KCC prioritize the document processing.

But again - they can choose how to send out the document emails, so they can to some extent control the backlog, but of course the responses are also varying based on things like the ban, how that makes people behave, how COVID closures affect the obtaining of documents and so on. We could easily see backlogs grow when COVID closures generally end in authorities such as those providing police certs and so on.

You can only figure these things out at a macro level - if you only get focused on your case, or cases in your country, you will almost always be confused. Of course KCC don't tell us when these backlogs are occurring, and to some extent they don't seem to even know (again partly because of the two department scenario).

I realize that might be more confusing than clear - and I do try and correct people sometimes, but honestly I just get tired of correcting people that don't want to listen or believe they know better based on their 5 minutes of experience. So, hopefully you can pick something out of that to improve your understanding - but this is "wait and see" becomes the most valuable approach, because ultimately the answers are not always black and white.
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Wow! Thanks a lot Simon for detailed explanation. Now I have a clearer picture of this process in my mind.
 
Masda said:
Hello again . What is the difference between EU1 EU2 EU3 ? And which one has more advantage ?
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What do you mean?
The case number?

I believe you are just seeing the beginning of the region and number, so I am EU12XXX so around the 12,000 mark. using XXX to provide a bit of anonymity.
EU1 could be 1, 10, 100, 1000, or 10000!
 
tinoproductions said:
What do you mean?
The case number?

I believe you are just seeing the beginning of the region and number, so I am EU12XXX so around the 12,000 mark. using XXX to provide a bit of anonymity.
EU1 could be 1, 10, 100, 1000, or 10000!
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Western EU Central EU and Eastern EU
 
Chunky2k said:
a friend of mine living in the USA, told me his friend from Egypt "AF" his number below 6K, received email from KCC requesting papers last week.
he sent the DS260 days after June 6th, so i guess it is first come first serve
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He will still need to wait until his number becomes current for the interview AND for the EO to expire. So it isn't exactly first come first serve basis
 
DV21M said:
He will still need to wait until his number becomes current for the interview AND for the EO to expire. So it isn't exactly first come first serve basis
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Let's pray and hope they don't extend the EO again after it expire
 
DV21M said:
He will still need to wait until his number becomes current for the interview AND for the EO to expire. So it isn't exactly first come first serve basis
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Yes i know that
Am just replying to a post where someone was not believing that KCC has already started sending emails to winners
 
frog27 said:
Hello, my case number is 2021AF4xxx. I filled in DS260 on june 06 just after I have been selected. So far I did not receive an email from Kcc requesting me to send documents. Who is in the same situation. Thanks.
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It's okay
Some times it takes few months even.
 
frog27 said:
You said that someone from Egypt with case number below 6000 got that email. What is the range of his case number? 5xxx or xx. I think KCC are sending emails first to OC then AS then AF / EU then SA.
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Um...why would they do that?
 
frog27 said:
Someone here with oc2xx had the email.
An other one with af5xxx or less.

Maybe they roll from the east to west. Just a guess.

Interested in knowing the exact range of that 2021AFxxxx where xxxx < 6000. Is it 5000 or 14.
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This reasoning doesn’t make sense and you honestly can’t use it to figure out KCC’s determining factors in sending out document request emails.
 
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