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Why KCC does not start scheduling DV2022 cases in October? Are they going to wait for more lawsuits or what? This only creates more backlog.

Are they even dealing with categories from prioritized tiers or it's just an excuse?
 
SusieQQQ said:
Yes, I said I knew some of you would disagree.
I would also note that some organizations like AILA have brought class action suits in the past without requiring plaintiffs to pay to get the cases moving. And some lawyers who get paid for most of the work will do some cases pro bono or for the public interest. But yes, most lawyers don’t work pro bono or for the public good or just on principles so they need someone to pay to take the case. And of course most would be immigrants won’t effectively crowdfund a case if they don’t think they’ll get preferential treatment out of it.
I maintain that the principle that money shouldn’t buy favor in immigration is correct (otherwise they might as well just rank immigrants by assets or income and most of you would lose out).
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Yeah I agree. For this program in particular, it seems like money should not talk, but without the paid cases we would not still have a fight. So it's a bit blurry. I understand from the lawyers that there is a principle that named plaintiffs ("named members", representing a class) do normally get preferential treatment. But we don't have a class at this point.
 
wskamel said:
There is nothing fair in this DV. Very low case numbers who have been DQ for over year aren't getting interviews in fully working consulates like Montreal while extremely high number cases are getting interview in other countries ( probably skipping also lower case numbers in these countries) . we pay the price mentally and financially because we are the most passionate about moving to US , pointing Judge to the chaos created by DOS but Judge will probably leave to DOS to decide who gets interview . And Guess what ? DOS will probably process the minimum number possible of plaintiffs to discourage future immigrant from going to court ( I have seen similar comment on EB AOS case yesterday in live video by lawyers so looks like government position of DOS & USCIS)
I would understand if Judge says reserve visas and work by case number regardless of being Plaintiff or not , restoring order . Leaving it completely to DOS is like giving them a second bullet to fire in the face of each immigrant.

And speaking about Money , DOS jumped quickly to process Student visas worldwide , because they will pay money ....

It is ok to disagree , but I am still looking for some explanation , why not processing DV visa by Montreal consulate was bad under President trump but ok under President Biden ?
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Who said its OK???
 
Britsimon said:
Who said its OK???
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If Judge doesn't order mission critical for 2021 DV ( which is more likely to go this way considering today is Sep 8th ) , and just reserve # of visas at end of the month , even with filing in Goh in July stating clearly Montreal has processed 2.5 K immigrant visa but Zero DV . Doesn't that means it is ok ? not fighting or arguing but trying to understand why it is not mission critical for Montreal and similar consulates
 
wskamel said:
I disagree , DOS can still process DV if they wanted , Sep 2020 was a good example what was the actual capacity. They chose to hide behind excuses , with no clear plan to reduce backlog. You mentioned it before as an example for Montreal back in March/April , 10 Cases per month isn't a pressure for that consulate, Yet they chose to not process even a single case .

Yes we understand they wanted to catch deadline for term start for students, but why they cared so much about that deadline vs DV deadline ? because students bring Money , I heard Lawyer Greg say it , I remember Brit Simon mentioned it .

Anyway Sep 30 isn't that far now , we wait and see the final output
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Oh my WORD you can “disagree” !!! yes and so did we and so did everyone who fought the darn court case back then to get them to do it and is fighting the current ones!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: you’ve got a great capacity for confirmation bias, little point discussing this stuff with you especially when you manage to try to argue with me by actually agreeing on a point I already made, jeez.

PS just because a lawyer says it doesn’t mean it’s true.
 
wskamel said:
If Judge doesn't order mission critical for 2021 DV ( which is more likely to go this way considering today is Sep 8th ) , and just reserve # of visas at end of the month , even with filing in Goh in July stating clearly Montreal has processed 2.5 K immigrant visa but Zero DV . Doesn't that means it is ok ? not fighting or arguing but trying to understand why it is not mission critical for Montreal and similar consulates
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What you may not understand is that Montreal already had a 6 month + backlog on immigrant visas before the Trump ban came in. Some people who have been getting issued visas now have been sitting waiting since being DQ’d and current in 2019, before you even entered DV. I know you are looking at it from your perspective, they are looking at it as of course they should get preference as they should have got their visas two years ago already. (Yeah yeah I already know you disagree and why , you don’t need to tell me)
 
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SusieQQQ said:
What you may not understand is that Montreal already had a 6 month + backlog on immigrant visas before the Trump ban came in. Some people who have been getting issued visas now have been sitting waiting since being DQ’d and current in 2019, before you even entered DV. I know you are looking at it from your perspective, they are looking at it as of course they should get preference as they should have got their visas two years ago already. (Yeah yeah I already know you disagree and why , you don’t need to tell me)
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The question was for Brit Simon .
 
Ok , lets keep discussing then, So it was ok to process 2020 DV over delayed backlogged immigrant visas in Sep 2020 , but in Oct 2020 this suddenly is not acceptable ? doesn't make sense at all .

And DOS cared more about students life than Family based immigrants ?!!
 
some people really don’t see the big picture. I guess you’ve never been exposed to management of higher education, Hundreds of colleges with many thousands (somewhere in the tens of thousands if not more) of places set aside - for which students have paid deposits and in some cases already full fees - should those places just go empty for a year and the kids pretty much lose a year of their life if they can’t start on time? No, that doesn’t mean it’s more important than DV but it’s entirely understandable that for both the colleges and the students who had both made concrete plans already based on offers being made with immovable start dates for colleges, would see students getting emergency visa appointments coming up to semester start. If you had had concrete plans based on something - a job offer for example - you could have got an NIE and got an “emergency” DV interview too.

wskamel said:
And DOS cared more about students life than Family based immigrants ?!!
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that’s a funny comment clearly purely aimed at being argumentative, seeing as you care more about DV than about them too. (I guess you missed that IR and K categories were also prioritized, though)
 
SusieQQQ said:
If you had had concrete plans based on something - a job offer for example - you could have got an NIE and got an “emergency” DV interview too.
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I have Job offer , and sent to Consulate , nothing changed . They say we are processing relatives of American citizens , I told them I am a father of American citizens kids who look forward to go back to US , nothing changed .
I wouldn't judge what you have been exposed to , but personally I worked with senior management on projects worth up to 700 million $ in highly regulated industry in multiple countries including US, UK and Canada. I have never seen such management style , even in my Masters degree in history of bad management , if we can call this management !
 
wskamel said:
I have Job offer , and sent to Consulate , nothing changed . They say we are processing relatives of American citizens , I told them I am a father of American citizens kids who look forward to go back to US , nothing changed .
I wouldn't judge what you have been exposed to , but personally I worked with senior management on projects worth up to 700 million $ in highly regulated industry in multiple countries including US, UK and Canada. I have never seen such management style , even in my Masters degree in history of bad management , if we can call this management !
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oh for crying out loud, if you’re such an expert at management you’d understand exactly what I was getting at rather than changing tack yet again and using it as an opportunity for criticizing management in general in the US. I guess you really just are not interested in reasons, or anything that doesn’t support your own case.

I’m sorry then that you really had a terrible consulate to deal with, as I actually know of people who did get visas in similar circumstances at other consulates. You presumably were not born in Canada if you got selected for DV, why could you not process it at the consulate of your birth or nationality country? I do know of others who did that too. Anyway … this is more thinking out loud than looking for answers, so please - PLEASE! - don’t feel you need to reply.
 
wskamel said:
If Judge doesn't order mission critical for 2021 DV ( which is more likely to go this way considering today is Sep 8th ) , and just reserve # of visas at end of the month , even with filing in Goh in July stating clearly Montreal has processed 2.5 K immigrant visa but Zero DV . Doesn't that means it is ok ? not fighting or arguing but trying to understand why it is not mission critical for Montreal and similar consulate
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They have defined a prioritization for various visa types. Under that model DV is "tier 4". https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/News/visas-news/immigrant-visa-prioritization.html

There is no suggestion that any consulate is treating DV as mission critical.

Your parental relationship does not affect the priority of your case because your case is a DV case.
 
SusieQQQ said:
oh for crying out loud, if you’re such an expert at management you’d understand exactly what I was getting at rather than changing tack yet again and using it as an opportunity for criticizing management in general in the US. I guess you really just are not interested in reasons, or anything that doesn’t support your own case.

I’m sorry then that you really had a terrible consulate to deal with, as I actually know of people who did get visas in similar circumstances at other consulates. You presumably were not born in Canada if you got selected for DV, why could you not process it at the consulate of your birth or nationality country? I do know of others who did that too. Anyway … this is more thinking out loud than looking for answers, so please - PLEASE! - don’t feel you need to reply.
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you keep guessing about me , what I am interested in , what i was and wasn't exposed to and oh you say i am crying out loud . Very polite of you . You could have ignored my comment , but you keep responding and trying to belittle me !

Admins ?
 
wskamel said:
Ok , lets keep discussing then, …
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wskamel said:
…but you keep responding …

Admins ?
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Yeah let’s discuss as long as everyone agrees with you. All I have been trying to do is make you understand that there is a big picture, much bigger than DV, to give some context. I guess you’d prefer I let you whinge uncontested, but that’s not the way I work. I don’t believe there is a forum violation anywhere here but sure happy to let the admins decide.
 
Okay guys, time out! For the sanity of other forum members and to ensure this thread does not get derailed any further, I’m not getting into who is right and who is wrong, I’m however gonna ask you both to agree to disagree and move on. Subsequent post(s) with regards to the above will lead to administrative actions.

Thanks!
 
Hi If I enter US then I will be quarantine 14 days or not? I'm already fully vaccinated and after more than 3 months. Please let me know.Thanks
 
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