Britsimon
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DV 2015 Winners Meet Here
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rolex123
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My husband is an industrial engineer , 10years working experience having average monthly income, and every time when we discuss about our dv case he is cautions almost arguing with me that , if things goes right (with god’s pleasure ) , and as we have a baby girl aged 4 ,even didn’t know a soul in usa who can accommodate us till we get our green cards , help us secure housing & employment etc he is stressing on how will it be our moving plan? , he is also telling me if things goes right the total cost we need for our medical , visa fee , ticket cost for three of us would be almost $4k , and he needs to know how much maximum dollar will be allowed to carry for our family when we went to usa? Though it is too early to discuss about these things, can anyone help me to answer his vital questions.
1.Is it possible to know the average housing cost from reliable source?
2. Is it to possible to secure housing from reliable source before we move, so as to go directly where we would stay by ourselves?
3. How long will it take to get our green cards?
4. Is not possible to start work before we get our green cards?, how is employment start up process in usa?
5. How much dollars will be allowed to carry for our family, and is it sufficient for our family average cost of living and average housing rent?
Thanks for help in advance
1.Is it possible to know the average housing cost from reliable source?
2. Is it to possible to secure housing from reliable source before we move, so as to go directly where we would stay by ourselves?
3. How long will it take to get our green cards?
4. Is not possible to start work before we get our green cards?, how is employment start up process in usa?
5. How much dollars will be allowed to carry for our family, and is it sufficient for our family average cost of living and average housing rent?
Thanks for help in advance
Thanks Simon all other guys for these important blogs , its my first time on this forum and I happen to be one of the lucky winners of Dv 2015 with a CN 2015AF00056XXXX. I would like to seek a few inquiries and beginning with the first
I understand my CN is relatively high for Dv 2015 but could you please speculate for me when my CN is most likely to be published in the Visa Bulletin come next year basing on the relatively high number of selectees for 2015 that run up to 125,xxx
Second question , During my initial entry into the DV program 2015 I entered the lottery as a married person and I registered my fiancée on the application yet in actually sense I had only performed a traditional ceremony (Marriage ) that is in our tradition here we call it introduction ( Where a girl introduces the man she is going to marry to her parents and the man gives bride price to the parents of the girl but I again we had set a date of our official marriage in church at later date some time this year in July 2014 but at that time of the Dv entry I considered my self and my fiancée as married because the marriage was recognized by the family and traditional leaders and I even began staying with my fiancée officially though it was not certified because we had planned to get a matrimony marriage in church in July this 2014 which is nearly reaching next few weeks .But my concern is about the regulations of the DV selectee application where they strictly state it that marriage should not be performed for the benefit of the CG so when I get married officially in church next month because it was on plan wont this be recognized as a sham marriage for the benefit of the CG by the CO Besides when am filling the DS 260 online form I have to put a date which is stipulated on the marriage certificate yet during the entry into the lottery I indicated married status in other words am confused which date to indicate on the DS 260 form the one on the marriage certificate that is going to be issued or the one of the traditional ceremony (marriage)n when it took place because I even have a formal approved letter of agreement signed by the parents of the girl and me and other witnesses and also the letter of agreement stipulates the future date of the marriage to take place in July in 2014 .
Thank you will be glad for your comments
John 40
I understand my CN is relatively high for Dv 2015 but could you please speculate for me when my CN is most likely to be published in the Visa Bulletin come next year basing on the relatively high number of selectees for 2015 that run up to 125,xxx
Second question , During my initial entry into the DV program 2015 I entered the lottery as a married person and I registered my fiancée on the application yet in actually sense I had only performed a traditional ceremony (Marriage ) that is in our tradition here we call it introduction ( Where a girl introduces the man she is going to marry to her parents and the man gives bride price to the parents of the girl but I again we had set a date of our official marriage in church at later date some time this year in July 2014 but at that time of the Dv entry I considered my self and my fiancée as married because the marriage was recognized by the family and traditional leaders and I even began staying with my fiancée officially though it was not certified because we had planned to get a matrimony marriage in church in July this 2014 which is nearly reaching next few weeks .But my concern is about the regulations of the DV selectee application where they strictly state it that marriage should not be performed for the benefit of the CG so when I get married officially in church next month because it was on plan wont this be recognized as a sham marriage for the benefit of the CG by the CO Besides when am filling the DS 260 online form I have to put a date which is stipulated on the marriage certificate yet during the entry into the lottery I indicated married status in other words am confused which date to indicate on the DS 260 form the one on the marriage certificate that is going to be issued or the one of the traditional ceremony (marriage)n when it took place because I even have a formal approved letter of agreement signed by the parents of the girl and me and other witnesses and also the letter of agreement stipulates the future date of the marriage to take place in July in 2014 .
Thank you will be glad for your comments
John 40
Britsimon
Super Moderator
Let's come back to timeline later. The thing is you have already broken a huge rule by applying as married when you were actually single. That mistake is almost certainly disqualifying. They might accept some marriages based on traditional ceremonies from countries where the traditional marriage creates the normally accepted legal conditions of marriage within the country where the ceremony was performed, but given you always knew you had to marry later, hat may be hard to prove.
What country are you from and what country will you be processing? Others may have info specific to those countries.
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Edouard
Member
Hi guys,
Finally my spouse get her High School degree with honors (she got the news today), so we could finish to fill the ds-260 and send it to the KCC. We only have to wait and cross fingers until have news from them. My spouse CN is DS-2015EY 434XX so we have to wait for about a year, if this number has the chance to be current in the end!
All of you volunteers were of GREAT help in all this process of filling correctly the ds-260. Thank you all of you!
Finally my spouse get her High School degree with honors (she got the news today), so we could finish to fill the ds-260 and send it to the KCC. We only have to wait and cross fingers until have news from them. My spouse CN is DS-2015EY 434XX so we have to wait for about a year, if this number has the chance to be current in the end!
All of you volunteers were of GREAT help in all this process of filling correctly the ds-260. Thank you all of you!
vladek15425
Well-Known Member
Congrats edouard
Tell me was she (candidate libre)? And when did they release the baccalaureat result ?
Britsimon
Super Moderator
So which country was the marriage ceremony performed? Is that type of marriage recognized by civil authorities in that area, or is it generally accepted that the marriage requires the later church wedding you describe?
EURO2014
Well-Known Member
Well, as Britsimon has rightly pointed out, the critical question here seems to be whether or not you have been/will be issued an official marriage certificate from authorities in your country. It is a required document and, presumably, if your were not able to present it, you would be disqualified at the interview (or before, in case your consulate requires documents to be submitted beforehand). Best of luck to you and your wife/fiancée. PS: of course the date of the marriage on the official document would need to be before the date you submitted the DV forms, in which you declared your marriage.
SusieQQQ
Well-Known Member
There is a school of thought that extra people on the form are not disqualifying, only not putting everyone on. Issue to me is still that the form was incorrectly filled out unless the traditional date counts. The upside if it's not disqualifying is that it clearly wasn't a green card marriage.
EURO2014
Well-Known Member
Interesting, hadn't thought of this possibility. Yet, presumably he wants to take his (future/current ) wife to the US. How would it therefore look if he were to present a marriage certificate, dated noticeably after he submitted the DV forms and declared himself a married man at that time. At a minimum, this would raise some questions, I guess, no?
SusieQQQ
Well-Known Member
Yes I guess it would. However he can kind of explain it through the traditional marriage thing, and it is true that the instructions specify disqualification for leaving people off,but not adding. I don't have a strong opinion on this - just pointing out that it has been suggested this is not such a fatal action.
Sm1smom
Super Moderator
Ideally, I believe your situation would have been a whole lot easier if you had sent in your application as 'single'. Adding her after the official wedding would have simplified the whole process and save you from the major headache you're probably having over this issue now.
According to 9 FAM 40.1 N1.1:
- "The term "marriage" is not specifically defined in the INA; however, the meaning of marriage can be inferred from the INA 101(a)(35) (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(35)) which defines the term "spouse." A marriage, in order to be valid for immigration purposes, must be celebrated in the presence of both parties. - You and your spouse were both present for the traditional marriage, so yes, you could be considered married at the time of your eDV application.
- "The underlying principle in determining the validity of the marriage is that the law of the place of marriage celebration controls ... If the law is complied with and the marriage is recognized, then the marriage is deemed to be valid for immigration purposes." - Without the civil or Church marriage ceremony, does the law of your State/Coountry recgonise your traditional marriage?
You also stated you've been staying with "I even began staying with my fiancée" - does this mean you and your fiancee have your own place where you stay together? Has the relationship been consumated since then? If the relationship has since been consumated since the traditional marriage, it's another factor that could serve as the basis of your viewing yourselves as married.
My suggestion would be for you to go ahead and submit your DS-260 form using the traditional marriage date (I'm assuming the letter you have is dated), you can use this letter, and hopefully you have pictures from the ceremony itself as prove of your marriage. Get both parents and possibly some other elders who witnessed the ceremony and regognize it as official to write letters stating so. If queried about the later date on the new wedding certificate, you can always explain it as something the two of you wanted to do, but held off on due to financial reasons or whatever explanation you care to give them.
Below is the link to the 9FAM 40.1 I referenced above. Read more on it to get a better understand of the definition of marriage according to US immigration and to better prepeare yourself.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86920.pdf
Good luck!
Britsimon
Super Moderator
So John, As you can see above there has been some discussion about your case and Sm1smom has cut straight to the point. From comments you made we are assuming your marriage was conducted in Rwanda - and the concept of traditional marriage can be acceptable for US immigration purposes. Given that you need to go ahead with that concept, the question of "will the later marriage be viewed as a fake marriage" is not an issue (as Susie pointed out). Your case should be based on the earlier traditional marriage date - and you have some work to do to make sure you are prepared to show that.
Regarding your earlier question of when your case would be processed - well, based on 2013 and 2014 progress, you will probably get current in June or July of 2015.
Best of luck!
spes acharya
Member
excuse me when is the deadline for the submisiion of ds-260 starting from may 19?for 2015
Edouard
Member
Thank you Vladek!Congrats edouard
Tell me was she (candidate libre)? And when did they release the baccalaureat result ?
No, she studied in an educational cursus, Aix Marseille University, named "Diplome d'Aptitudes aux Etudes Universitaires" in France, wich final official exam which can give you a diploma equivalent of french "Baccalaureat" (High Degree). She obtained 15/20 notation in average, which correspond to the "with honors" or "cum laude" mention in USA. I don't know if this kind of things is important for the Green Card cursus.
She passed her examens until the 14th of june 2014 and get yesterday the results. She will receive the official results by mail end of july I think. But the final diploma will not be send before almost a year (that is always the case in France for all diplomas; you get it and can prove it, but the final paper comes a year later; I think they take time to cut some trees and make the paper before
). I don't thing this delay of official diploma would be an issue, would it be?Britsimon, Euro 2014, Susie QQQ and Sm1smom Thanks for your over whelming information and facts
Besides another point of view I have in mind is to find a lawyer to write an affidavit to assert the traditional marriage was not a sham and a later date was planned for the church marriage as proof that by the time we submitted the DV entry there was true love and we were husband and wife and at the time of the interview I will present the letter of agreement signed by both parents( at that date of the ceremony which is also the official date registered on the DS 260) , the official marriage certificate from church to be issued in this month of July when the wedding takes place and letter of affidavit from a recognized lawyer attached together to avoid so many questions .
In regards to the above I would like to hear your opinions . Thank you
Besides another point of view I have in mind is to find a lawyer to write an affidavit to assert the traditional marriage was not a sham and a later date was planned for the church marriage as proof that by the time we submitted the DV entry there was true love and we were husband and wife and at the time of the interview I will present the letter of agreement signed by both parents( at that date of the ceremony which is also the official date registered on the DS 260) , the official marriage certificate from church to be issued in this month of July when the wedding takes place and letter of affidavit from a recognized lawyer attached together to avoid so many questions .
In regards to the above I would like to hear your opinions . Thank you
vladek15425
Well-Known Member
Thank you Vladek!
No, she studied in an educational cursus, Aix Marseille University, named "Diplome d'Aptitudes aux Etudes Universitaires" in France, wich final official exam which can give you a diploma equivalent of french "Baccalaureat" (High Degree). She obtained 15/20 notation in average, which correspond to the "with honors" or "cum laude" mention in USA. I don't know if this kind of things is important for the Green Card cursus.
She passed her examens until the 14th of june 2014 and get yesterday the results. She will receive the official results by mail end of july I think. But the final diploma will not be send before almost a year (that is always the case in France for all diplomas; you get it and can prove it, but the final paper comes a year later; I think they take time to cut some trees and make the paper before
No that won't be a problem because they will provide you an official temporary diploma. ( Le releve de notes).
And in any way you have enough time to receive the official one ( diplome du bac).
Remember you have a high cn which can only go current at august 2015.
spes acharya
Member
excuse me can the sponser be of any other visa type student visa or he/she must be a green card holder? help me