DHS requires New Fingerprints at Airports Exits for Non-Citizens

Extending any rule to citzens is a major deal. It will be headines everywhere CNN etc and talk shows will be disssecting the rule and picking at it. Politicians will be interviewed on CNN, FOX etc and media will tear it appart. Too much exposure for what they know may have minimal or no gains in tracking bad guys. On the contrary if the rule is for non-citizens you will be lucky if the news even makes it on page 3 of New York Times. TV and media will pretty much ignore it.
 
speaking of fingerprints, is it still true that no two persons on the planet
have the same fingerprints?(even identical twins?) :confused:

I'll bet nobody's gonna complain if fingerprinting everybody(US-citizen
and non-US-citizen) allows you to go through customs in under 30
seconds. :)
 
Is this for non-Citizens who currently take part in the US-Visit entry requirements? If so, are GC holders included? Because currently permanent residents do not have to give fingerprints upon entry via US-Visit.
 
LolaLi said:
Is this for non-Citizens who currently take part in the US-Visit entry requirements? If so, are GC holders included? Because currently permanent residents do not have to give fingerprints upon entry via US-Visit.
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Not yet. But on page 20 of the PDF document linked in post 2 of this thread, they plan to extend US-VISIT to permanent residents.
 
lotechguy said:
Extending any rule to citzens is a major deal. It will be headines everywhere CNN etc and talk shows will be disssecting the rule and picking at it. Politicians will be interviewed on CNN, FOX etc and media will tear it appart. Too much exposure for what they know may have minimal or no gains in tracking bad guys.
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If you ask me, doing this for citizens in addition to everybody else would have the biggest gain. Not doing it for everybody creates a big loophole that makes the other checks on noncitizens almost useless for stopping "bad guys". If they can't use a fake or stolen green card or visa because of the fingerprinting, they'll just use a fake or stolen US passport which doesn't require fingerprinting at the POE. But you are right, if they started requiring fingerprinting of citizens it would create a big uproar.
 
LolaLi said:
Is this for non-Citizens who currently take part in the US-Visit entry requirements? If so, are GC holders included? Because currently permanent residents do not have to give fingerprints upon entry via US-Visit.
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Yes this applies to U.S.-Visit participants. This does not cover LPRs for now. But in 2006 the DHS proposed to extend the requirement to all LPRs, asylees and refugees as well. The DHS received a number of comments about its proposal. They will make a final decision later this year, mostly likely to adopt the proposal. But a new President could change this completely.
 
Jackolantern said:
It is extremely silly to apply these measures to noncitizens and not to citizens. Like Ned50 said, if they can't use a stolen or borrowed green card because of the fingerprinting, they'll just use a stolen or borrowed passport where the fingerprinting doesn't apply.

Another silly aspect is the fingerprinting on departure. What is that supposed to accomplish? Unless they're going to take fingerprints after the airplane has shut its doors, it makes it easier for the bad guys to fool the government into thinking they have left. Just give the fingerprint at the boarding gate but don't go on the plane. Or go on the plane and come off before they shut the doors. And unless they plan to check passports at the boarding gate and force people who aren't US citizens to give a fingerprint before boarding the plane, they can also fool DHS into thinking they're here when they're gone. Just get on the plane without giving the print.

It's nothing but a power grab, and a way to make money for the owners of the security companies (many of whom are Bush's friends).
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They should institute exit immigration inspection at the airports.
 
They will institute it, now what I wonder is what the european are gonna do about it??
 
RE: For those who don't know it yet !!!

Specific measures are coming next year for everyone.
 
rick92 said:
They will institute it, now what I wonder is what the european are gonna do about it??
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Didn't the Brazilian government retaliate by requireing
US citizens to be fingerprinted when entering Brazil?
Do they still do this? :confused:
 
RE: 2009 Prediction

TheRealCanadian said:
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Remember that company that went bankrupt because of ENRON called Arthur Andersen Consulting, well, their name now is called ACCENTURE and they are the one that have always had the contract including US VISIT.

The rest, I think you can figure it out.- Its about politics, money, and power.-
 
The Department of Homeland Security awarded Accenture a contract -- estimated to total $15 billion -- for US-Visit, a program for "virtual borders" tracking entries and exits of all visitors to the United States. Eric Lichtblau and John Markoff of the New York Times report that "everal industry executives and analysts said that the award surprised them and that Accenture had widely been considered the outside candidate," though some might have cashed in on their insider knowledge, as "Wall Street analysts said . . . that there had been 'chatter' about the award to Accenture before the market opened" on Tuesday, driving up the Accenture stock ("Accenture Is Awarded U.S. Contract for Borders," June 2, 2004).

Apparently, the fact that Accenture -- formerly Andersen Consulting of the Enron scandal notoriety (see the footnote) -- is incorporated in Bermuda to avoid taxes did not prove an obstacle for the Department of Homeland Security, whose commitment to neoliberalism makes it refuse to discriminate against foreign corporations even while it seeks to scrutinize every movement of each foreign visitor to the United States. In fact, Accenture is an industry leader in the art of finagling federal contracts even while dodging federal taxes.

http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/06/visitors-beware-accentures-us-visit.html
 
USCIS Announces Enhancements to E-Verify Program

USCIS Announces Enhancements to E-Verify Program

WASHINGTON— U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) announced today improvements to the E-Verify employment authorization program that will reduce an already low mismatch rate, while also streamlining and increasing the effectiveness of the overall program.

Today's announcement comprises the first two phases of an overall three-part enhancement for E- Verify aimed at decreasing the mismatch rate for naturalized citizens.

“Less than one percent of all work-authorized employees receive a tentative nonconfirmation through E-Verify," said USCIS Acting Director Jonathan Scharfen. "While this is a very small percentage, we believe every employee who is authorized to work in the United States should be instantly authorized by the program. We're confident that the enhancements we're launching today will help us achieve that goal."

Starting today, the E-Verify system will include naturalization data, which will help instantly confirm the citizenship status of naturalized U.S. citizens hired by E-Verify employers. Naturalized citizens who have not yet updated their records with the Social Security Administration (SSA) are the largest category of work-authorized persons who initially face an SSA mismatch in E-Verify. Additionally, a naturalized citizen who receives a citizenship mismatch with SSA can call USCIS directly to resolve the issue (in addition to the option of resolving the mismatch in person at any SSA field office.)

E-Verify also will now include real time arrival data from the Integrated Border Inspection System. This additional data source will reduce the number of immigration status related mismatches for newly arriving workers who have entered the country legally.

USCIS also plans to initiate citizenship status records information sharing with SSA to further help prevent tentative nonconfirmations from occurring. This effort will improve the efficiency of E-Verify by providing to SSA with the most accurate and timely citizenship status information. E-Verify also plans to check against Department of State passport records in the near future to even further reduce mismatches.

More than 64,000 employers participate in E-Verify with approximately 1,000 new enrollments weekly. The Web-based system allows participating employers to electronically verify the employment eligibility of newly-hired employees. E-Verify evolved from the Basic Pilot/Employment Eligibility Verification Program originally developed in 1997 and made available to employers as a Web-based system in 2004. USCIS operates the program in partnership with SSA.
 
The morons in this admin are slowly chipping away at the constitutional rights of all people living in the US. They have made a mockery of what the Bill of rights used to be about. It is very sad when the founding fathers are insulted in new and stupid ways all in the name of patriotism. What a joke!
 
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