AR-11 for son on 3 month summer job

Dependant on tax return -but still adult..

I guess since Mr Gupta's son is above 21 years, he will be considered an independant entity in terms of law regardless of his tax status and he will thus need to fill the form AR-11 regarding his temporary address.
 
JoeF said:
Apparently, he still can't stand being proven wrong.
He's at maximum a 2 on the troll scale of 1-10.
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JoeF talking about himself. Can't get what people are writing. He is a psychological case. :p
 
JoeF said:
Huh? Not again. What does his tax status have to do with the AR-11? If his permanent address stays the same, i.e., his parents' place, he does not have to file an AR-11 for a summer address or the college address.
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He will never understand. Forget it. Let him keep crying... and see a measure on troll scale for him.

He cannot understand what means by each address change.

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Sec. 1305. - Notices of change of address

(a) Notification of change

Each alien required to be registered under this subchapter who is within the United States shall notify the Attorney General in writing of each change of address and new address within ten days from the date of such

change and furnish with such notice such additional information as the Attorney General may require by regulation.

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Also on form AR11 about purpose and penalty:


The collection of this information is required by Section 265 of the I&N Act (8 U.S.C. 1305). The data used by the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Service for statistical and record purposes and may be furnished to
federal, state, local and foreign law enforcement officials. Failure to report is punishable by fine or imprisonment and/or deportation.

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JoeF said:
Didn't your parents teach you to be quiet when adults talk?
Get lost, troll.
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I am impressed by your name calling. Please consider this for your signature:

Enjoy:

Dum Dum Dee, Dum Dum Dee
I am not lawyer, but I play one on TV
A B C D E F G
I come with load of shit for free
What is law?
Whatever I say - order to implement it by Rummy
On troll scale of 3 I get full 3
1 for ego 1 for bullshit, 1 comes for free
but finally -
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.

;)
 
You know what I get from this silly argument between the 2 (Joef & Jharkhandi)?

I guess Joef seem to be a well-learned guy with lot of Immigration rules in his head. But somehow, I get the feeling that he hates when someone stands against his findings and states otherwise. I think he takes it personal. Everyone has the right to his or her opinion. Leave it to the original poster to decide what is right. There is no point squabbling over silly things. I am the more convinced after reading the post on his trying to enter the US w/o showing his passport and then trying to teach the BCIS official on the law. I know his zeal on immigration laws is a factor of he being in silly arguments.

Same goes to Jharkhandi too! Just post your findings and leave it to the original poster to decide!
 
Upstate_NY said:
You know what I get from this silly argument between the 2 (Joef & Jharkhandi)?

I guess Joef seem to be a well-learned guy with lot of Immigration rules in his head. But somehow, I get the feeling that he hates when someone stands against his findings and states otherwise. I think he takes it personal. Everyone has the right to his or her opinion. Leave it to the original poster to decide what is right. There is no point squabbling over silly things. I am the more convinced after reading the post on his trying to enter the US w/o showing his passport and then trying to teach the BCIS official on the law. I know his zeal on immigration laws is a factor of he being in silly arguments.

Same goes to Jharkhandi too! Just post your findings and leave it to the original poster to decide!
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Thanks Upstate_NY for correcting me. I will keep it in mind.

Just a secret - I was enjoying when he started calling names and got emotional - And I knew I am correct - so sadist of me. :)

But yes I will keep it in mind, will not upset another one like you again.

Thanks again friend, appreciate your post. This thread is over for me.
 
Jahrkhandi, I am sure your comments are meant well, but they are out of context. I have disagreed with JoeF before but.........

sorry, in this case JoeF is right. :)
 
JoeF said:
Huh? Not again. .
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It takes 17 muscles to smile and 54 to frown.Why are you straining yourself so much ?As such the GC process is so stressful.It would not hurt to be little polite.Would it ?
JoeF said:
What does his tax status have to do with the AR-11?
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Nothing Absolutely.thats what I have said "....Regardless of his tax status..."

JoeF said:
If his permanent address stays the same, i.e., his parents' place, he does not have to file an AR-11 for a summer address or the college address.
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Yeah..Thats what happens in the case of minors.What happens in the case of adults? Your permanent address might be somewhere other than Unites States.You may be going there every year and may be retreat back there if thrown out of US(just kidding!!) Still you need to mention your address where you are living.Even if it is for few weeks.

Moreover it does not hurt to file AR-11 just in case... you know..the USCIS may get to your neck for nothing.Not filing , however may lead to confusion later.

If you see the AR-11 form it clearly says that even students have to file their campus address.All students definitely have a permanent residence.Many might be having in US itself.Some might be having next to the campus itself.BUT an address in their name has to be revealed to the USCIS.Thats what my attorney says!!Better check with your attorney too!
 
I Have Patience said:
It takes 17 muscles to smile and 54 to frown.Why are you straining yourself so much ?As such the GC process is so stressful.It would not hurt to be little polite.Would it ?

Nothing Absolutely.thats what I have said "....Regardless of his tax status..."



Yeah..Thats what happens in the case of minors.What happens in the case of adults? Your permanent address might be somewhere other than Unites States.You may be going there every year and may be retreat back there if thrown out of US(just kidding!!) Still you need to mention your address where you are living.Even if it is for few weeks.

Moreover it does not hurt to file AR-11 just in case... you know..the USCIS may get to your neck for nothing.Not filing , however may lead to confusion later.

If you see the AR-11 form it clearly says that even students have to file their campus address.All students definitely have a permanent residence.Many might be having in US itself.Some might be having next to the campus itself.BUT an address in their name has to be revealed to the USCIS.Thats what my attorney says!!Better check with your attorney too!
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Very nicely put Patience.

Even though I had said bye - I came back cause someone is trying to understand it, like the other thread on business where 2-3 more people wanted to find out facts and I learnt a great deal from them too.

Here is what I have got:

Go thru these links:

http://www.utexas.edu/international/cs/ar11.html

http://international.edcc.edu/_sevis/Form_AR-11.php

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http://www.usvisanews.com/faq-ar11.html

Q: I am a student in the U.S. on an F-1 visa. Now that the summer is here, I am being forced to move out of student housing and into an apartment. Do I have to inform the INS of my change in address?

A: Yes. The INS must be informed of this and any subsequent changes in your address while in the U.S., even if the address is only temporary.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Clearly says that temporary address change is also to be notified.

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http://www.murthy.com/chatlogs/chat0503.html

Chat User : Got an RFE on EAD. Asking for current mailing address. Can I provide my friend's mailing address as I am not sure where I

will be at the time of EAD approval?

Attorney Murthy : It is unusual to obtain an RFE simply for the mailing address. It seems that the USCIS may be on to something regarding your case. Maybe your address on the application form was different from that on the I-485 application. As you may know, the law requires that every "alien," including a resident alien or permanent resident (other than a U.S. citizen), to file the AR-11 to notify the USCIS of a change in address. Failure to do so could result in a charge of criminal misdemeanor and a fine with a possible imprisonment term! One is required to notify the USCIS of the temporary and permanent addresses, including a "in care of" (c/o) address, if applicable.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Clearly says that - one is required to notify the USCIS of the temporary and permanent addresses.


P.S. The mention of AR-11, where you said "student", is applicable if one is on student visa, but your understanding is correct in context as there is another box for PRs too.

Actually this whole exercice cleared some doubts in my mind address change and its regulations.
 
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To the moderator....

JoeF said:
Go away, juvenile troll.
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I guess calling someone a "juvenile troll" is not a personal attack??? You want him to go away, i wonder why you keep coming back, though....

Moderator, I request this entire thread be deleted. It has become increasingly useless (as pertains to the original question) and is probably taking up valuable disk-space on your db....
 
gb111,

Ignore the person - there is not point in throwing stone in mud. I hope people can make selection after reading Murthy's chat that even PRs are needed to send AR-11 for temp address changes too.(link is included).
 
JoeF said:
In fact, I have to assume that there are certain people who fight me on principle, because they can't stand being wrong. They seem to fear losing face. And others, that I have killfiled long ago because of similar boneheaded behavior of course all of a sudden feel the need to "help" their brethren. Some people seem to be obsessed with me ;)
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If you would please read what I sais in my previous post you would certainly find that you are exactly repeating what I said.By putting it in harsh words does not prove your worth any more than one who puts in humbler words.

You are a senior member.It does not reflect well upon your seniority when you exhibit such a behaviour,

Nobody is losing face here except you JoeF.Its not a battlefield.We all are here to share views.It is entirely possible that people disagree.Some may be outrightly wrong.BUT that does not give you an opportunity to boast on your intellect or scorn at others.

Please note JoeF-Read this when your mind is cool.The only person who seems to be obsessed with you is YOU and only YOU.

Please be at peace with yourself first.Only then you can expect others to make peace with you.
 
Dear folks,

Isn't "boneheaded" a canadianism? My wife uses this term alot. (Of course, not in reference to me. :) )

I did some research on this AR-11 stuff. There is a clear distinction between temporary and primary (permannent) residence. This is a matter of common sense.

JoeF, it ain't worth it. They simply don't want to get it.
 
The same advice for you Patience as the one for gb111. You should not loose your cool, I guess Upstate_NY has shown the right way and people can decide it now on the topic and other stuff too (as it happened in other business thread).
 
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Practically speaking if you report change of address to any of the following:

DMV
Your bank
Your credit card issuer
your cable provider
your phone provider
your utilities provider
your local post office

You will need to file AR-11.
 
I am quite amused by the turn of events! :D

I don't think "name calling" helps anything. Let’s keep civility here, please.

My take:
Jharkhandi & JoeF both have a point. Jharkhandi's links on AR-11 is good for non-immigrants who are in a US school. For them, the campus address is all they have and they must file AR-11 each time they move.

However, JoeF is stressing on the fact that students who are PRs have an address elsewhere in the States, either their parents or in-laws or whatever. Hence, the college address is temporal in nature and no AR-11 required. Right, JoeF?

They both have a point but pertaining to different scenarios.

On a lighter note, what happened to the original poster? :cool:
 
Upstate_NY said:
I am quite amused by the turn of events! :D

I don't think "name calling" helps anything. Let’s keep civility here, please.

My take:
Jharkhandi & JoeF both have a point. Jharkhandi's links on AR-11 is good for non-immigrants who are in a US school. For them, the campus address is all they have and they must file AR-11 each time they move.

However, JoeF is stressing on the fact that students who are PRs have an address elsewhere in the States, either their parents or in-laws or whatever. Hence, the college address is temporal in nature and no AR-11 required. Right, JoeF?

They both have a point but pertaining to different scenarios.

On a lighter note, what happened to the original poster? :cool:
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Upstate_NY/nkm-oct23,

Murthy says - every alien including PRs(not just people on student visa) have to register address change for even a temporary change - that is the law. It is like - you can drive without DL, but if caught - it is real trouble. She never says it is only for students!

Correct me if I am wrong.

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http://www.murthy.com/chatlogs/chat0503.html

Chat User : Got an RFE on EAD. Asking for current mailing address. Can I provide my friend's mailing address as I am not sure where I will be at the time of EAD approval?

Attorney Murthy : It is unusual to obtain an RFE simply for the mailing address. It seems that the USCIS may be on to something regarding your case. Maybe your address on the application form was different from that on the I-485 application. As you may know, the law requires that every "alien," including a resident alien or permanent resident (other than a U.S. citizen), to file the AR-11 to notify the USCIS of a change in address. Failure to do so could result in a charge of criminal misdemeanor and a fine with a possible imprisonment term! One is required to notify the USCIS of the temporary and permanent addresses, including a "in care of" (c/o) address, if applicable.

The appropriate laws are already mentioned in previous posts.
 
nkm-oct23 said:
Practically speaking if you report change of address to any of the following:

DMV
Your bank
Your credit card issuer
your cable provider
your phone provider
your utilities provider
your local post office

You will need to file AR-11.
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See the idea behind AR-11 is to track aliens. See AR-11, which states:

The data used by the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Service for statistical and record purposes and may be furnished to federal, state, local and foreign law enforcement officials. Failure to report is punishable by fine or imprisonment and/or deportation.
 
Lawyers have different interpretation. I guess Murthy is trying to be safe than sorry.

Knowing the consequence of not reporting change of address, I may also do the same tho'. Otherwise, each time someone rings the doorbell, I might wonder if he/she is a federal agent :p
 
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