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Why do you love america

One of our motivations to be pursuing the dream of living in the USA is that Australia has become a brutally expensive place to live!

My wife and I started our journey in Europe, and from moving to Ireland in 1999, we took a big leap and moved to Australia two years later where we continued to live for over ten years!

Two years ago, for some foolish reason, we decided to pack up and return to Europe. What a mistake! But perhaps we just had to come back to realize that we don't feel happy and free in EU and that living in Australia was not too bad, after all!

So by now we would have already been back in Australia. Yet in May of last year, this special sentence made us reconsider our options ("You have been randomly selected for further processing.")

So some of our hopes and aspirations in moving to the USA (as opposed to moving back to AUS) are:

- Generally much cheaper housing in the US -- (in AUS capital cities, within 5miles radius of the CBD, you need at least $500k for a 1-bedroom apartment or $1Mio for a house!)

- Lower grocery bills -- (AUS has only a few major grocery chain stores and prices are about 3-times!! across the board from what we are used from EU, in particular if compared to Germany)

- Lower cost of going out in the US!! -- (AUS cafes and restaurants can be ridiculously expensive .. on our last visit a bakery/coffee shop in Brisbane that we used to go to in the past, would now charge nearly $6 !! for a simple danish, coffee extra at $4 something! That danish would cost $1.50 or $2.00 in EU).

- Lower utility bills -- (Australia's electricity bills have been going through the roof!!!...the average annual cost is said to be $2,200 and has doubled in 6 years! They just reported for the state of QLD that it will increase by another 13.4% in average this year!! I believe that water and council rates, similar to property tax in the US, have been skyrocketing, too)

- More choice of consumer products -- (you usually get what you need in Australia, but the selection is definitely more limited than in EU or USA; Australian retailers often charge astronomical amounts for the same products that often cost half in the US ... that's why international online shopping has been booming in Australia ... and more expensive cars often cost more than double, too! -- quick example according to this article: a Porsche Carrera S costs $88,800 in the US, the same car costs $282,800 in Australia - three times the US price!!! -- or a Lexus LS460 costs an Australian a sizeable $191,200 - but an American pays $66,230)

- More choice of cities and states to live in the US -- (Australia only really has a bunch of big cities, which has probably contributed to inflated property markets, among other things).

- More diverse US economy = more opportunities for jobs or business set up -- (Australia has a traditional dependency on mining ... and then there's some retail, finance and services...and that's it! No other major manufacturing or major innovations).

- More civilized car driving -- (In AUS, at least in QLD and NSW people tend to be quite aggressive on the roads. They speed, they bully, they constantly block the overtaking lanes - there is a lot of road rage. We NEVER experienced this in EU or USA ... our most recent visit to FL reminded us of how joyful driving is in the US...perhaps it is for the wrong reasons, cops at every corner, but still it is way more enjoyable)

- Nicer neighbors!!?? -- (if there is ONE thing we will NOT miss from living in AUS is the tendency of Australians to be a noisy bunch! No matter where we lived, there were always some neighbors that were simply noisy, ignorant idiots! They often crank up their music at home, so you can hear it from the other end of the block, especially because of the sub-woofers! Often they would come home in their cars and not turn off their loud music as they enter their driveway...or they crank it up as soon as they step into their car, while still being on their driveway ... there is a massive problem with hooning and illegal burnouts (doing donuts in cars on public streets, often at night in residential neighborhoods) ... Australia also has a massive binge drinking problem and some areas have a "bogan culture" which is similar to what they label "rednecks" in the US.)

- Geographic location -- (although we love Australia, at least the nice side of it, we have always felt geographically isolated ... because it IS. Especially when you have family back in EU, it is a 23 hours of flights each way, compared to 9 to 12 hours from the US to EU! ... moreover, what excites me is that there is a lot more contrast between states within the US, unlike Australia where we feel there is not much of a culture difference no matter where you live ... plus, Canada is to the north and the Caribbean and beyond is to the south .. it helps that I speak a bit of Spanish, too.)


Since this thread is about what we LOVE about America, I will leave not focus on what our FEARS are in connection with moving to the US, but in short ...

- Crime
- Guns
- Lower pay, lower benefits with jobs (compared to AUS)
- 2 weeks vacation (compared to 4wks in AU or 6 wks in GER ... in case we will actually work for someone)
- Health insurance (esp. lots of controversy re: Obamacare and esp. messy if self-employed!)
- Tax related issues...

As you can see ... we are coming from an already proven international expat background ... and naturally, now in our 40's we might not want to regret our next step, in either direction.
 
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About guns, if you can't beat them then join 'em. In many states a permanent resident can be licensed to carry a handgun, in all but a couple of states a PR can own long guns and shotguns. I'm waiting for my handgun carry license and I plan to carry, so I'm not just another helpless victim.
 
Australia also has a massive binge drinking problem and some areas have a "bogan culture" which is similar to what they label "rednecks" in the US.)

Yes! This is a big one for me too. I don't drink, and as a twenty-something it leaves little to 'do' socially. Most people here just live for the weekend, when they go out and get completely plastered. Again, generalisation, not everyone in Australia is like this and a lot of people feel the same way I do, but it's certainly a big problem here.

About guns, if you can't beat them then join 'em. In many states a permanent resident can be licensed to carry a handgun, in all but a couple of states a PR can own long guns and shotguns. I'm waiting for my handgun carry license and I plan to carry, so I'm not just another helpless victim.

Oh boy, don't bring that debate out of the bag!
 
Oh boy, don't bring that debate out of the bag!

I don't plan to debate it. If you prefer not to have guns I have no problem with it. It's just that criminals in USA have much easier access to firearms, so to protect my family I feel that (legally) arming myself is the responsible thing to do. My wife was carjacked on gunpoint with my (at the time) infant daughter. By the grace of God they survived the encounter, but others aren't always so lucky.
 
I don't plan to debate it. If you prefer not to have guns I have no problem with it. It's just that criminals in USA have much easier access to firearms, so to protect my family I feel that (legally) arming myself is the responsible thing to do. My wife was carjacked on gunpoint with my (at the time) infant daughter. By the grace of God they survived the encounter, but others aren't always so lucky.

I do apologise, I didn't mean my comment as an affront at all! Whilst I respectfully disagree, I don't want to debate it either! Was just having a little chuckle to myself after all this lament about debating/fighting... to then bring gun law into it- one of the most controversial/divisive issues of our generation! Hehe :p
 
I don't plan to debate it. If you prefer not to have guns I have no problem with it. It's just that criminals in USA have much easier access to firearms, so to protect my family I feel that (legally) arming myself is the responsible thing to do. My wife was carjacked on gunpoint with my (at the time) infant daughter. By the grace of God they survived the encounter, but others aren't always so lucky.

Statistically your decision actually increases death and health risk to your family but if it makes you feel safer you have the full right to do that in America :)


The crazy amount of firearms in America will come in handy flowing zombie apocalypse :D
 
I do apologise, I didn't mean my comment as an affront at all! Whilst I respectfully disagree, I don't want to debate it either! Was just having a little chuckle to myself after all this lament about debating/fighting... to then bring gun law into it- one of the most controversial/divisive issues of our generation! Hehe :p

I understand. I am also a member of a gun forum, and believe me there are plenty of fanatical and paranoid nuts there. My position is purely pragmatic, I'm not invested in the politics of firearms. Gun control doesn't bother me, I'm simply taking advantage of a legal means of self defense.
 
Statistically your decision actually increases death and health risk to your family but if it makes you feel safer you have the full right to do that in America :)


The crazy amount of firearms in America will come in handy flowing zombie apocalypse :D
Statistically speaking simply living in America increases your likelihood of death from gun-related crime; I don't plan to be part of it. There are plenty of people around me that I wouldn't trust to safely handle a BB gun, let alone a real gun. However, I have OCD tendencies, so I'm meticulous about safety.
 
I've always agreed with the premise that Franko was making, that by introducing a gun to a situation where there wasn't one before you are more likely to be a statistic. However, I think that in some areas the chances of being a statistic are higher anyway, so when people feel the need to protect themselves it is usually because the area is more dangerous anyway, so their chances were already higher - hence the statistic tat Franko refers to...

I'll probably use guns at a gun range... And that is about all.
 
God has spoken through you my dear.
Well said.
I think we have freedom of expression.
Fighting will not benefit us.
Let us maintain PEACE, RESPECT, LOVE.


THANKS.

I feel it's necessary i say something about these unhealthy disagreement an'd posts.please let not insult,abuse or denegrate one another.
Some of pitbull's post makes a lot of senses while some does not.We should commend the ones that makes senses and correct or disagree with the ones that doesn't make senses and argue on it without creating unhealthy atmosphere.

Mijoro,Britsimon,Vladek,Pitbull,Franko etc,all of you guys are well respected on this forum as result of your contributions,suggestion,post and advise of which have been of tremendious help to thousands of people on this forum, in which i will not want you to jeopadise by engaging inexchange of words with each other.

If you guys notice,the purpose of this thread has been defeated as a result of the fourth world war we created all because of someone post we felt is not good enough or does not bring a valuable fact..I know we can get along very well without fighting one another.No man on earth is an island of knowledge,so we can share from other people by taking out the senses out of the nonsense the person posted.

I am not against or in support of anybody here,i just felt it is not ideal to ignore the rivalry in this forum because we are all one people.One love my people.

This is my humble opinion.
 
Although I don't post nearly as often lately due to the 'slight' change in our circumstances, I still visit and read the forum daily. It never ceases to provide me with amusement, smiles and interest! How could I not continue to visit? Despite hubby losing his American employment link, we still have our lottery application in, and should either of us get selected in May we would still do whatever we needed to do to get that Green card. I still consider myself a little 'forum family member' despite still not yet receiving a CN number (even a big one! :) ). After a few years it has become a habit to participate, so here is my list why I love America and want to return.

- I spent a long time over a 2 year period living in San Jose, California and fell in love with it from day one. The places in South Bay I adore are Mountain View, San Mateo and San Francisco itself.
- Farmers markets, but especially Ferry Plaza Farmers Market in San Francisco. Miss that market very much.
- Trader Joes, Draegers, Frys Electronics, Macys, Lane Bryant and Costco. I'm a material girl, what can I say.
- I love the diversity of people; living within multi-cultured communities is amazing and promotes so much personal growth. Yes, I live in a multi-cultured country now, but the dynamics are very different. Change is interesting :)
- The history of the US is rich, in different ways to that of my own country, and the nationalistic pride is to be commended. As mentioned by Emma, Tall Poppy Syndrome is difficult to grow up with and be surrounded by.
- Service. Period. I have never had such wonderful customer service as I received in the US. Ever.
- Choice. Choice of what to buy, from goods to services. The business monopolies in Australia are killing personal choice. You don't truly know what it is like until you live here.
- Price. It is so expensive to live day to day in Australia. Having lived in CA for 2 years then returning to Australia, it was shocking. My husband is Canadian, and he is still stunned at the lack of choice and cost of goods here. We buy so much of our products from on-line suppliers overseas. It's horrendous.
- Australia has wonderful natural beauty, but it costs so much to travel within our own country. In the US, you can travel to many diverse places at very little cost. Yosemite will give me memories forever <3
- Technology in the US is much more advanced than that in Australia right now, and as that is my hubby's career area, it makes sense to work there.
- My own studies post graduate will be enriched by studies in California rather than in Australia because of the field.
- University of California, Berkeley. I would love to study there so much.
- Commercialism. I will admit it, I am a sucker for PR, and US is fabulous at it. Just give me Thanksgiving, Halloween, 4 July and every other holiday in between.
- I'm with Emma on much of what she has written, but totally laughed out loud when she mentioned the accent. I loved being the Aussie in San Jose. You have to experience it to fully understand that part :)
- Squirrels. Love those weird little critters. Add the deers from Yosemite too. And the buffalo I saw in Montana.
- Oregon and Washington. Fantastic places I want to visit again.
- The snow. (hubby strongly disagrees on this one lol)
- The food, especially Mexican food. Mexican food in Australia is non-existent (what is here is an embarrassment).
- Variety; street performers, concerts in the park, music, theatre, and festivals (Japanese, Italian etc). Love them all.
- It is close to Canada. We have family in Canada, and some of them elderly. Being in Australia makes it very very hard to visit home.

It is a very difficult question to answer on many levels really. Much of what we 'feel', what we 'love', and what we want to experience can't be put into words. Hubby says it will probably become 'mundane' to me after a number of years living there, but added "...but I guess you have to live there to experience it".

I think that just about sums it up really. Much of what we know, we know. We miss it, we want to experience it again (even though experiences can never really be duplicated, we still want what we had and how it made us feel). We are all at different stages in our lives, beginning, half way through, single, married, children etc etc. We will all want different things from the US and "she", in turn, will give us amazing adventures; not all of them good or wanted I am sure but an interesting new and different life nonetheless.

At the end of the day, we all want something else, something more and something different.

I think we are all brave souls really. It's no mean trip we want to embark on, no matter what our age or status in life. In my heart I hope that ALL of you with your numbers (especially those high ones giving you so much stress) get to interview <3 At the same time, I hope the lottery continues on and the politicians continue their arguments so that the legislation for change doesn't pass. Not yet. I have not lost my dream to move to the US. It would come with a little more challenge but we will give it our all if selected.

Every 'reason' is valid, every plan and dream is relative. Hold on tight to them :)

Here is a photographic blog I started with photos I took (some Canada, a few Australia but most US).

http://letmegrabmycamera.wordpress.com/


All the best and sorry for the long post, I think it's been too long since I wrote on here and got carried away!

Q
 
I've always agreed with the premise that Franko was making, that by introducing a gun to a situation where there wasn't one before you are more likely to be a statistic. However, I think that in some areas the chances of being a statistic are higher anyway, so when people feel the need to protect themselves it is usually because the area is more dangerous anyway, so their chances were already higher - hence the statistic tat Franko refers to...

I'll probably use guns at a gun range... And that is about all.
I actually agree that more guns means more death from guns, but with probably less crime rate overall. When two people get into a physical altercation and they have guns, there's a very high probability for one or both to get shot. If there's no gun, most likely they'll end up black and blue, but alive.

I know myself, I'm old enough that stupid stuff on the street doesn't get me into a fight anymore. As a family man, the only way for me to be in a physical fight today is when I'm being attacked. The thing with America is that many (if not most) street criminals have guns, so when I see their gun I'm going to use mine to make them part of the statistics instead of me.

The court have ruled that indiscriminate ban on handgun carrying is unconstitutional, so all of the states now allow it in one form or another, Illinois being the last to implement it this year. Sales of guns and ammo are at an all-time high, it's so high that many people complain they can hardly find ammo. There is absolutely nothing I can do to change this since I can't vote. Since there are so many armed people around, I prefer to be armed as well so I'm not completely helpless.

If they can somehow get rid of guns here, great. Until then I won't be one of the easy victims.
 
I always thought like this (and I think others are looking at it from the same angle) that owning a gun gives you a (maybe un-due) self-confidence to put yourself in situations that you wouldn't otherwise.

I don't own a gun. So, I don't frequent less desirable parts of the city, and I forgo living out in the woods.

If you own a gun, you may think it is now "safer" to be out past midnight or it is OK to live in a secluded area. That's how you are more likely to become a statistic. Without a gun you just "chicken out", if you will, and may end up alive!
 
Qwety;
You just made my day ! You post is Fabulous you really got the real talent for describing and to narrate :)
Thank you for sharing you photos with us, so proffessional and beautiful...
Fingers crossed for you for dv15 :)
 
I always thought like this (and I think others are looking at it from the same angle) that owning a gun gives you a (maybe un-due) self-confidence to put yourself in situations that you wouldn't otherwise.

I don't own a gun. So, I don't frequent less desirable parts of the city, and I forgo living out in the woods.

If you own a gun, you may think it is now "safer" to be out past midnight or it is OK to live in a secluded area. That's how you are more likely to become a statistic. Without a gun you just "chicken out", if you will, and may end up alive!
There are most certainly stupid (usually young) people who get itchy trigger finger and go out looking for trouble; I'm not one of them.

I have researched the subject extensively before I arrive at this decision, so I know that carrying a gun doesn't guarantee my safety or my life, it simply increases my odds of staying alive. The fact of the matter is that if you're involved in a gun fight, you're very likely to get shot. Even if you're faster and fire the first shot, it's quite unlikely for the fight to end at that point. Unless your shot penetrates the brain, he won't be stopped immediately. Even if you shoot him through the heart, he still has a minute or more to live, plenty of time for him to empty his gun at your direction.

Since the prospect of getting shot doesn't thrill me, I remain as cautious as when I didn't carry a gun. I'll only use it in situations where I figure I'm gonna get shot anyway, or when the lives of my wife and daughter are in danger.
 
To me, the US is like 50 different countries within a country so it will never cease to fascinate and keep us busy exploring. We love roadtrips and the US is a great place for that. Within the different states, there is a variety of landscape, food, accents, climate, history & culture. The highway and byway system is excellent and the amenities along the way make traveling and exploring by road convenient and affordable.

The Park systems (National & State) in the US are fantastic and we are making it our goal to see as many of them as we can. I love vast areas of preserved natural wilderness that you can hike through or just sit there and gawk at while listening to the soothing sounds of nature. One of my best recent memories is of listening to nothing but the wind and a distant hawk in Canyonlands National Park in Utah while gazing out at miles and miles of canyons with no visible human landmark or blight. For its population, the US has huge areas of preserved land, which is such a valuable asset.

I love the USA's big cities too. They're all so different, for being in a single country. Shopping here is a breeze with customer service stellar. There's shopping and restaurants for every budget and taste.

I love discounts, so places like Costco, Sam's Club, Walmart, Marshalls, TJMaxx, Home Goods, Outlets, Amazon, Overstock, etc. allow me to spend my hard-earned savings how I want versus being gouged by a few big monopolies like in my home country of Australia. Many restaurants have Happy Hour, Early Bird, Lunch or BOGO specials, so eating out doesn't have to be budget-killer. Many businesses have loyalty programs you can sign up for which net you more savings. I love getting deals for my birthday: free coffee, free golf, free meal, 20% off, etc. Little things, but they're fun and life should be fun sometimes.
 
A chunk of the above discussion just shows that what you like about the US is dependent on where you come from. For us, this country is a lot less violent than ours, and it shows up in all sorts of ways. The main one being: that generally (yes I know this is not true everywhere, but generally) the basic assumption of life here is that you are safe and people follow the laws/rules. This may be "obvious" to someone from the UK or Australia, but it's not to us. A lot of the other stuff to us is just nice to haves (like discounts etc).
 
A chunk of the above discussion just shows that what you like about the US is dependent on where you come from. For us, this country is a lot less violent than ours, and it shows up in all sorts of ways. The main one being: that generally (yes I know this is not true everywhere, but generally) the basic assumption of life here is that you are safe and people follow the laws/rules. This may be "obvious" to someone from the UK or Australia, but it's not to us. A lot of the other stuff to us is just nice to haves (like discounts etc).

That sure is a different (and more important) perspective!!!
 
It is of PROFOUND difference and indeed one many of us couldn't even begin to conceive.

Thank you for your post Susie.

:)

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