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Why are they selecting more entries on oct 1st?
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Sorry guys im sure this has been discussed many times already, but i cant find the threads...
Why do you think is the reason of this? Did they isssue the 55.000 green cards last year?
Thanks, good luck to everyone!!!!!!!!!!
Dan
Perhaps they are anticipating a low turnout as to warrant a 2nd draw so as to fulfil their visa quota..
In DV2010,they issued 51312 visas.
Second batches happened in the past. For instance, they occurred in the programs DV-2007, DV-2003 and in some prior years.
Each time they had specific reasons. For instance, DV-2003 had a second batch because facial recognition software disqualified much more applicants than it was expected. DV-2007 second batch happened because of improvement in facial recognition software (the resolution and therefore quality was improved significantly).
As a result, the amount of open wins was not enough and they had to open some hidden wins that were a part of original selection.
In the past they sent those wins by snail mail.
Starting DV-2011 they do not send snail mail anymore. Now winners need to keep their confirmation number that they did not need to have before to check the status of the second batch.
DV-2012 was the first year since abolishing snail mail that also needed a second batch (mainly because some people did not know about July selection at all, and some did not keep their confirmation number after they lost in July, and also because the status check system has crucial bugs that resulted in people falsely thinking they lost while they actually won). In the middle of DV-2012 when they realized that, they realized they forgot to warn people about the necessity to keep their confirmation number. As of today, second batch for DV-2012 has not been sent yet, and it is already very unlikely it would happen in DV-2012, because of 2 reasons. First, because of the pending court. And second, because almost no time is left.
That is why starting DV-2013 they warn people about the necessity to keep the number until the last month of the program. That has nothing to do with a particular need for a second batch in DV-2013, that is just a general precaution.
Each time they had specific reasons. For instance, DV-2003 had a second batch because facial recognition software disqualified much more applicants than it was expected. DV-2007 second batch happened because of improvement in facial recognition software (the resolution and therefore quality was improved significantly).
As a result, the amount of open wins was not enough and they had to open some hidden wins that were a part of original selection.
In the past they sent those wins by snail mail.
Starting DV-2011 they do not send snail mail anymore. Now winners need to keep their confirmation number that they did not need to have before to check the status of the second batch.
DV-2012 was the first year since abolishing snail mail that also needed a second batch (mainly because some people did not know about July selection at all, and some did not keep their confirmation number after they lost in July, and also because the status check system has crucial bugs that resulted in people falsely thinking they lost while they actually won). In the middle of DV-2012 when they realized that, they realized they forgot to warn people about the necessity to keep their confirmation number. As of today, second batch for DV-2012 has not been sent yet, and it is already very unlikely it would happen in DV-2012, because of 2 reasons. First, because of the pending court. And second, because almost no time is left.
That is why starting DV-2013 they warn people about the necessity to keep the number until the last month of the program. That has nothing to do with a particular need for a second batch in DV-2013, that is just a general precaution.
In the past those second batches were not additional selections; they were parts of original selection (draw) that were not sent from the very beginning. That is extremely likely that will stay the same. Each new draw ends up with a new set of results published yearly in visa bulletin. Only one year had more than one draw so far – DV-2012.
unfaithful
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raevsky
what rank numbers or case numbers could the second batch winners get??? i have already seen many people myself
with rank number over 80 000...............................could it meant that some of the probable october winners could hold not necesserly a high number but they would get different numbers!
let me explain what is really on my mind: let's say that the winner with 150 have not checked due to losing the confirmation numbers so has not fill the forms,on october when they realise a second batch one of those second selected winners would get the rank number 150,right?!!!!
what rank numbers or case numbers could the second batch winners get??? i have already seen many people myself
with rank number over 80 000...............................could it meant that some of the probable october winners could hold not necesserly a high number but they would get different numbers!
let me explain what is really on my mind: let's say that the winner with 150 have not checked due to losing the confirmation numbers so has not fill the forms,on october when they realise a second batch one of those second selected winners would get the rank number 150,right?!!!!
I think it is illogical second batch takes the unused CN of the first batch. Surely those with high CN will not participate again in the second draw. So it is unfair to put them as high and preventing them in the second draw. It is fair place the second batch as second in process.
unfaithful
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the case number is random as well, i meant when the system selected the first person in the lottery ,it won't be given the rank number ''1'',he would get any cas number from 1 to 100 000, also the last person to be selected could be given a small number like ''5'',so i think the second batch would be something surprise for us, i still remember one of my friend few years ago when they still send notifications via mail,he got his letter and he contacted the consulte and he got his visa issued the following week ,without being asked to send froms to KKC or anything,he was only required to fill the forms and take them to the interview.
if they give the second batch on october very high rank or treat them as a second batch in the process of issueing visa then then it's Unfair and not random,they should be given the opportunity to process their visa just as the first batch, i meant every selected winner among the first and second batch is given a random rank number ,because if not it's not lottery anymore!
the selection is random ,and when they selecte something like 100 000 then they give them rank number is random way !!
so what do you think guys??? that's just my thought
if they give the second batch on october very high rank or treat them as a second batch in the process of issueing visa then then it's Unfair and not random,they should be given the opportunity to process their visa just as the first batch, i meant every selected winner among the first and second batch is given a random rank number ,because if not it's not lottery anymore!
the selection is random ,and when they selecte something like 100 000 then they give them rank number is random way !!
so what do you think guys??? that's just my thought
No. Historycally second batches had high numbers. So, if the first batch in Europe region had numbers up to 32000 (that is just an example), second batch had numbers only higher than 32000. They never had unused rank numbers from the first batch.raevsky
what rank numbers or case numbers could the second batch winners get??? i have already seen many people myself
with rank number over 80 000...............................could it meant that some of the probable october winners could hold not necesserly a high number but they would get different numbers!
let me explain what is really on my mind: let's say that the winner with 150 have not checked due to losing the confirmation numbers so has not fill the forms,on october when they realise a second batch one of those second selected winners would get the rank number 150,right?!!!!
In fact, what happens from the very beginning, they have EU winners with numbers up to 57000 (an example). Numbers up to 32000 are the initial first batch. But they hide the rest of the numbers (between 32000 and 57000) and open them in case necessary.
Anyway, second batch in DV-2012 did not occur, that is already obvious.
unfaithful
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have seen already people with rank number around 80 000 (actually it is something over 87 000),so the high rank number already used ..........so what do you think?
do you have any source where it says it's second batch not a second draw??? if so could u please post it !!!!
also you said the second batch accured in the past (2003,2007) , where did you read that?
do you think second batch DV-2012 could still happen?? if so how would they be able to let people know about it then they have already destroyed their confirmation number!!!
do you have any source where it says it's second batch not a second draw??? if so could u please post it !!!!
also you said the second batch accured in the past (2003,2007) , where did you read that?
do you think second batch DV-2012 could still happen?? if so how would they be able to let people know about it then they have already destroyed their confirmation number!!!
Numbering for each region is separate. 80000 for Azia or Africa is not high.have seen already people with rank number around 80 000 (actually it is something over 87 000),so the high rank number already used ..........so what do you think?
No I have not. I am just saying there were a number of second batches in the past, and no second draws so far (except DV-2012, when these first draw was nullified). Also, the law does not authorise several draws, only one per year. They have to change interpretation of the law for that.do you have any source where it says it's second batch not a second draw??? if so could u please post it !!!!
On immigration forums, like this one. When people start recieving notifications, they report it on the forum.also you said the second batch accured in the past (2003,2007) , where did you read that?
do you think second batch DV-2012 could still happen??
No. It did not occur before July 3rd because of pending court decision. When the court decided, it was already too late to announce the second batch. The end of the fiscal year is too close, they will not be able to consider the second batch winners even for September interview schedule.
unfaithful
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since there is no source to support the second batch thought , it would just still something we are not sure about.....you said that you based your thought on what you have read on immigrations forum like this of people talking about reciveing the notifitactions late on that time, why don't we think it was just a problem of postmail ,i meant a delivery problem due to how far they are from USA and also to being in small town or rare area ,does that sounds logic?
what would make us refuse this Idea:
the KKC through their eletronical system they can track and find out how many winners have checked their status by October,and when they don't reach the quota then you make a second draw and spread the unused CN for the new selected people, there is so many details about how this DV lottery is really going, and i think not so much being released, who know maybe there is an article or remarque in the Law of Dv lottery when it says they can pick up more people when they can't reach wanted quota!!!!!!
what would make us refuse this Idea:
the KKC through their eletronical system they can track and find out how many winners have checked their status by October,and when they don't reach the quota then you make a second draw and spread the unused CN for the new selected people, there is so many details about how this DV lottery is really going, and i think not so much being released, who know maybe there is an article or remarque in the Law of Dv lottery when it says they can pick up more people when they can't reach wanted quota!!!!!!
10-0 ipsnsc
What happened was april through may they received first batch, then there was a big delay of about 4 months, and later in october through december second batch. That does not look like a postmail problem. But if you want, you could call it that.
what would make us refuse this Idea:
I am pretty sure about itsince there is no source to support the second batch thought , it would just still something we are not sure about.....
Usually when it is a problem of postmail, it has a different pattern.you said that you based your thought on what you have read on immigrations forum like this of people talking about reciveing the notifitactions late on that time, why don't we think it was just a problem of postmail ,i meant a delivery problem due to how far they are from USA and also to being in small town or rare area ,does that sounds logic?
What happened was april through may they received first batch, then there was a big delay of about 4 months, and later in october through december second batch. That does not look like a postmail problem. But if you want, you could call it that.
what would make us refuse this Idea:
they will not spread the unused CNs for anybody else. CNs are already assigned to particular people. A person can look at his CN much later in time, like in June or July next year, and still be processed. There is no requirement to access the record early. It could be done late.the KKC through their eletronical system they can track and find out how many winners have checked their status by October,and when they don't reach the quota then you make a second draw and spread the unused CN for the new selected people,
There is nothing new here, it has always been like that. Why would they change it?there is so many details about how this DV lottery is really going, and i think not so much being released, who know maybe there is an article or remarque in the Law of Dv lottery when it says they can pick up more people when they can't reach wanted quota!!!!!!
unfaithful
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you can't be sure about such a thing when you got no prove or source, you can't base this on your personnel thoughts,you could be wrong and everything is possible......
you said few years ago people recieve their notification letter late on october(second batch),so how would KKC send second batch that early when people (first batch) many of them have not send forms yet at that time(october)???
based on what KKC sent second batch the last few times??? when they can't track and know why will send them the forms and fill to process thier visa??!!!!
you said few years ago people recieve their notification letter late on october(second batch),so how would KKC send second batch that early when people (first batch) many of them have not send forms yet at that time(october)???
based on what KKC sent second batch the last few times??? when they can't track and know why will send them the forms and fill to process thier visa??!!!!
Interviews started in october, and the rate of denials on the potential duplicates was really high. I could only guess, but that could have been a reason to start sending second batch in October. In other years it was later, in March. I do not remember exactly, but you could search forum. Start with DV-2003 and DV-2007. There were a few others.you can't be sure about such a thing when you got no prove or source, you can't base this on your personnel thoughts,you could be wrong and everything is possible......
you said few years ago people recieve their notification letter late on october(second batch),so how would KKC send second batch that early when people (first batch) many of them have not send forms yet at that time(october)???
based on what KKC sent second batch the last few times???
For DV-2007 - I do not know. For DV-2003 - because the lottery was transferred to electronic entry form, and facial recognition software started being used.
Sorry, I did not get your question.when they can't track and know why will send them the forms and fill to process thier visa??!!!!
unfaithful
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for sure there is something going on behind the scences in KKC,why it's October,why not before or after?
if it was because of the second batch you are saying with high rank ,they would simply ask people to keep their confirmation until new March or May 2012 so they can process them, so why so early?
back in the years then they send notification letters,was there any Case number ???
if it was because of the second batch you are saying with high rank ,they would simply ask people to keep their confirmation until new March or May 2012 so they can process them, so why so early?
back in the years then they send notification letters,was there any Case number ???
They are saying October 1 first or later. No second batches occurred historically before October 1st. So, I do not see a point in suspecting anything is behind the scene.for sure there is something going on behind the scences in KKC,why it's October,why not before or after?
hey are requiring you to keep confirmation numbers until September 2012. Saying second batch could be on or any time after October 1st.if it was because of the second batch you are saying with high rank ,they would simply ask people to keep their confirmation until new March or May 2012 so they can process them, so why so early?
Yes. The numbers in second batches were all larger.back in the years then they send notification letters,was there any Case number ???
unfaithful
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since there is no source about the second batch thing then we should not be sure about the second batch,there is a lot of small details about the DV lottery that nobody knows about them bu the KKC!!
also the 2003 /2007 you are referring to are not from an officielle site or a strong source, you are over analyzing thing ,you could be very wrong about second batch thing happening the previous years!!!!
just 10 min ago i posted something on an Arabic forum and someone told me that his Case number is 100 0** ,so what do you think?
also the 2003 /2007 you are referring to are not from an officielle site or a strong source, you are over analyzing thing ,you could be very wrong about second batch thing happening the previous years!!!!
just 10 min ago i posted something on an Arabic forum and someone told me that his Case number is 100 0** ,so what do you think?
Second batch is possible but unlikely. What is impossible, owever, is that if they know about second batch in advance. That is really impossible. It is a general precaution, because they forgot to do it in DV-2011 and DV-2012. They will have the same precaution n DV-2014.since there is no source about the second batch thing then we should not be sure about the second batch,there is a lot of small details about the DV lottery that nobody knows about them bu the KKC!!
When dozens of people report second batch on the forums? That is much more likely that you do not exist. Could could I know you are a real person?also the 2003 /2007 you are referring to are not from an officielle site or a strong source, you are over analyzing thing ,you could be very wrong about second batch thing happening the previous years!!!!
That is higher than usual for Africa. But you need to have at least 2 people that high to trust the information. One number could be unreliable.just 10 min ago i posted something on an Arabic forum and someone told me that his Case number is 100 0** ,so what do you think?
unfaithful
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please don't use the word'' they forgot'' because that's really so funny hahahaah.........
anyway at that time when there still letters is different than today!!!!
2 more people have mentioned that their case number is high( since we were talking about this in athor forum). one of them says his case number is 99 5** while athor one says that his CN is 100 007 ,in addition to the previous one 100 0** and they are all very trusted members and know them through that forum for long time..........so what do you think?
anyway at that time when there still letters is different than today!!!!
2 more people have mentioned that their case number is high( since we were talking about this in athor forum). one of them says his case number is 99 5** while athor one says that his CN is 100 007 ,in addition to the previous one 100 0** and they are all very trusted members and know them through that forum for long time..........so what do you think?