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Why are they selecting more entries on oct 1st?

also to mention,if there is a second batch they would probably use something like ''add'' rather than ''select'' wich means that there is a process of selecting, in athor words another draw!!!
 
I agree there is a terminological incorrectness in what they are saying. However, it has always been like that, in DV-2003 and DV-2007 as well.
For instance, in http://usagreencardcenter.com/results_DV2007.htm there is a statement "Those who have not received notification were not selected"
As you see, it was dated in July.
People received notifications later, much later. Several months later. At the same time if it would be a second draw, another document like http://usagreencardcenter.com/results_DV2007.htm would have been created and published, but it was not. So, it was not a second draw, it was a second batch.
If the statement "Those who have not received notification were not selected" is supposed to be valid after the year end only, that is also incorrect.

There was also another thing that proves there are hidden winners who are included into those numbers, but do not receive notifications. Second batch is taken from those. I guess government does not have to disclose they have hidden winners, and they do not want to. That is why they are using some terminological inconsistency.

Probably, the word "selected" has several senses.
1. Those who are listed in http://usagreencardcenter.com/results_DV2007.htm
2. Those who are notified that they are winners.

Sometimes this word is used in one meaning, sometimes in another one. That is why you see that problem.
Now about math.
For instance, in the first draw the probability to win is 1/100, because 1000 people was selected out of 100000 entries.
Then, according to the equal chance clause, the probability to win in the second draw has to be the same - 1/100. So, out of 100000 - 1000 (who were already selected) = 99000 they need to select 990 = 99000/1000 winners. That is the only option they have. If they select 200 winners instead (because they do not need more than that), that is illegal.
 
so you agree that they are already considering adding more winners on October !!!!!
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That is a general precaution, there is a chance every year for the second batch. DV-2013 is not special. It could be the same as DV-2003 or DV-2007
 
There was also another thing that proves there are hidden winners who are included into those numbers, but do not receive notifications
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If you followed DV-2012 you should know. Kirit Amin signed affidavit under penalty of purgery. That if randomizer is off, selection is done almost in the same order as in the order of entries inserted. But that contradicts to people's experience - too many cases when person A made an entry, then person B made an entry, B was notified but A was not in DV-2012, when randomizer is off.
In most cases that means A was selected, but wasnot notified because he is a hidden winner.
 
is that an officielle website you are reffering to????

why they tend to do it in October? why don't they wait untile july/2013 for example?? or at very least wait untile next year???

since there is people with very high rank number what new winner could get???

that's really hard question to answer!
 
Official documents of the court are on www.egorka.org/dv2012
That is not an official website though. You could use pacer.gov and pay fees to download the same files.
They tend to do it earlier to give more time for better planning. But that is not always possible.
Newly opened winners have numbers larger than previousely opened winners. That is extremely simple to answer
 
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in athor forum ,there is people with very high rank number (actually it is something like 100 0**)....so the high rank numbers is being used already ,right?

giving high rank number to the second batch is wrong,since the first batch would have a very high chance to get their visa rather than the second one( sometimes people with high rank number don't even get interviewed so there is no visa for them).

is there is a second batch then they should have an equal chance to get the visa just like the previous winners,i meant they should have varies rank numbers and i think that's why they tend to pick people up on October rather than wait untile the last few months of the next fiscal year,(july............).because if it's about planning as you mentioned before it would better for them to first process the first batch winner and finish theirs forms because they start processing the second batch ,wich is really so logic and make sense!!!
 
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in athor forum ,there is people with very high rank number (actually it is something like 100 0**)....so the high rank numbers is being used already ,right?

giving high rank number to the second batch is wrong,since the first batch would have a very high chance to get their visa rather than the second one( sometimes people with high rank number don't even get interviewed so there is no visa for them).

is there is a second batch then they should have an equal chance to get the visa just like the previous winners,i meant they should have varies rank numbers and i think that's why they tend to pick people up on October rather than wait untile the last few months of the next fiscal year,(july............).because if it's about planning as you mentioned before it would better for them to first process the first batch winner and finish theirs forms because they start processing the second batch ,wich is really so logic and make sense!!!
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I've been following this dialogue for sometime (kudos...interesting posits).Unfaithful,the new winners()second batch wont be given hihger rank numbers since they already do have high rank numbers but just that its has not been availed to them_say_2013AF000135427 is a selectee's rank number but it has not yet been availed to him/her since its hidden(for reasons KCC knows best) only to be revealed in Oct 1st (if at all).
 
is there is a second batch then they should have an equal chance to get the visa just like the previous winners,i meant they should have varies rank numbers and i think that's why they tend to pick people up on October rather than wait untile the last few months of the next fiscal year,(july............).because if it's about planning as you mentioned before it would better for them to first process the first batch winner and finish theirs forms because they start processing the second batch ,wich is really so logic and make sense!!!
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Equal chance is only to be selected in a draw, not to get a visa. Chances to get the visa are not equal, and they depend on the rank number.

giving high rank number to the second batch is wrong,since the first batch would have a very high chance to get their visa rather than the second one( sometimes people with high rank number don't even get interviewed so there is no visa for them).
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They actually prepare sets with number ranges. Like from n1 to n2, from n2 to n3, from n3 to n4 e t.c.
Then they say, the first several sets, like from n1 to n5 will be first batch. And from n5 to, say, n8, will be second batch, if the amount of selectees in first bach is too low becase of some kind of unexpectedreason. Potentially numbes from n8 to, say, n10 could be aded to second batch (third batch if you will)
 
based on what they would post the second batch?

announcing October is really so soon and early,why don't they wait untile like March2013 or April,why ??? how would they know if they have not reach the recommanded quota? cause people with ranks over something like 40 000 could send they forms even after October !!!!

any way only time will tell
 
based on what they would post the second batch?
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They plan ahead how many visa applications then need to fill the quota. They open the number of first batch winners according to that, so that the number of applications for visa would be what they need
However, if something comes unexpected, and the number of applications for visa becomes lower than expected, they open second batch in the amounts they want. Simple as that.

They try to have the number of first batch appicants as low as possible, because they need stuff to handle DS-230 forms. So, having more forms than they need is expensive.
 
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anyway only time will tell the truth!!!

October become very soon, only 2 months and 22 days and we will know what 's really going on!!!
 
if there is really another winners in October ,i think they are more likely to change the word '' may '' with the word '' will'' few weeks before October or even one month before, cause the dicision to post new winners will be discussed within the KKC before October!!!!
if athor way, the whole remarque would be just deleted and no recommandation to keep confirmation number would still posted!!!!
but with the post of USA Embassy in jordan few days ago,i do believe October would still happen !!!
 
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if there is really another winners in October ,i think they are more likely to change the word '' may '' with the word '' will'' few weeks before October or even one month before, cause the dicision to post new winners will be discussed within the KKC before October!!!!
if athor way, the whole remarque would be just deleted and no recommandation to keep confirmation number would still posted!!!!
but with the post of USA Embassy in jordan few days ago,i do believe October would still happen !!!
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pls what do the post at the jordan USA embassy.
 
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