what is my status and what should I do?

lxz2011

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I came here with my dad and mom. My dad's I-485 was denied because his I-140 was revoked. He appealed but it was dismissed. With the principle application denied, everything for me and my mom was also denied. Because I was just a child I really had no idea what was going on. However flipping through all the family documentations I don't see any deportation orders, I only see something that says we no longer has a valid non immigrant status and the district office has jurisdiction over issues of departure.
So my question is, and I realize this might be a stupid question, but what is my status in the U.S.? Am I an illegal immigrant? Am I deport-able? Am I visa overstayed? Since I did came here legally.
and with that status, is there anything I can do? Now that I am over 18 can I apply for visa/green card by myself? Through jobs or student visa? And what is the 3/10 reentry bar and how will it affect me?
I think I am one of the dream act students that failed today, and with that failed in the senate, I really dont know what to do. I know I might not deem to have the right to ask these questions, but any advice or help I would be grateful.
 
I came here with my dad and mom. My dad's I-485 was denied because his I-140 was revoked. He appealed but it was dismissed. With the principle application denied, everything for me and my mom was also denied. Because I was just a child I really had no idea what was going on. However flipping through all the family documentations I don't see any deportation orders, I only see something that says we no longer has a valid non immigrant status and the district office has jurisdiction over issues of departure.
So my question is, and I realize this might be a stupid question, but what is my status in the U.S.? Am I an illegal immigrant? Am I deport-able? Am I visa overstayed? Since I did came here legally.
and with that status, is there anything I can do? Now that I am over 18 can I apply for visa/green card by myself? Through jobs or student visa? And what is the 3/10 reentry bar and how will it affect me?
I think I am one of the dream act students that failed today, and with that failed in the senate, I really dont know what to do. I know I might not deem to have the right to ask these questions, but any advice or help I would be grateful.

Yes you are an illegal alien due to overstaying a visa. I feel bad for you. Your options are VERY limited. You are over 18, HOW MUCH OVER 18? Once you reach 18 years and 6 monts (180 days) and then depart the U.S. an unlawful presence (ULP) bar of 3 years kicks in. Once your reach 19, you will have one year of ULP and the 10 year bar to re-entry kicks in. In that you were a child and not responsible for your overstay, if you departed quickly, you would receive leniency in a waiver application IF you submitted one based on a bona fide immigrant or non-immigrant visa.

In order to obtain MOST non-immigrant visas you must overcome a statutorily mandated presumption of "immigrant intent". If your family remains in the U.S., that will be a very hard sell to anyone let alone a cynical Consular Officer or USCIS or CBP Officer.

Stay out of trouble with the law if you decide to remain in the U.S., you will show up in an immigration records cross-check if arrested.

When you were younger, around the time that the immigration case was denied, did your family move? There may have been a removal order issued in absentia due to not showing up in Immigration Court.
 
I am sure and really hoping the new congress will deal with comprehensive immigration reform. Inquiring about your case may just trigger your case to be in removal proceedings. I would just go to school, and wait for the reform. There are millions of folks in your situation, so there is light at the end of tunnel....Just hang in there tight!
 
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thank you for replying so quickly, and your empathy

I am now 22 years old and almost done with my school. I was told to just go to school and stay tight. But now that I am almost done with school, and the news say there are not a lot of chance for immigration reform once republicans enter office, it is getting harder to just sit tight.

I did see the court's summon documents but I have no idea if my dad showed up. And I cant remember if we moved during that time.

So my understanding is, even if I leave, then wait 10 years, my family won't be here, it will still be more difficult for me to apply for visa again?

And also a side question, when I go to a public university, am I suppose to be paying in state tuition or international student fees? Since the school asked for documents to prove I am a resident, and I did, I paid in state tuition these few years, does that consider to be a crime?
 
Well, consider graduate school then. Working as an out status is a civil crime, just like being out of status. Maybe others can answer this better. There are, I believe 5 or so some states that allow students to register as residents if they graduated from high school. Also, some states like Texas allow instate tuition if the student is working >20hrs. I realize the new congress is Republican, but there are 12 million reasons for reform. It may not be as good as what the democrats have offered but the issue will have to addressed. That will be at least a year in my limited opinion. Many question if the out-of-status life style is worth it? There are always places like Canada that have a much easier and simpler immigration system. After 3 years residency you can even qualify for citizenship. That will/may allow you to visit the United States w/o visa!
 
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Really? I didnt realize Canadian citizenship can visit the US without visa. will my 10 years re entry bar still hold in that case?

I think to the only way for me to go to canada is getting a work visa. But that requires some work experience, which I dont have. I am getting my graduate degree in 9 months, unless I want to repeat school again, what other visa can I consider?
 
Well, there is always the chance to xfer to Canada as a student. My understanding of Canadian visa system is limited, so i don't want to give you an incomplete info. But you can always contact the consulate or visit their extensive website. If you do want to consult a lawyer, PM me and i can recommend you a good one who knows the law a little too well. But realize this, you will need to show lawful presence in the US or a temp. lawful presence (1 year) to get Canadian PR from the US. The case I know off is one H1B person who was out of status after working for 3 years. The Canadians did consider his application cause it was >1yr, even tho he was out of status for 5 years. In your circumstance, you can xfer next semester and look for work using work permit. That way your PR application may even be processed a bit faster.. I don't know by how much tho.

Really don't know about the 10 year re-entry bar! But thats a very valid point. Are you in the system? That will need some professional consultation. Again from my limited knowledge, getting waivers from Canada may be a bit more easier than lets say Mexico.
 
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Thanks you for consistently helping.

What is in the system? I have no criminal record or anything, and I havnt left the country since 18.
Since I don't have a lawful presence in US, won't I have to apply for Canadian visa using my birth citizenship? I think I will take you on your offer regarding your friend. Thank you very much
 
What is in the system? I have no criminal record or anything, and I havnt left the country since 18.

Your I-485, most likely.

Since I don't have a lawful presence in US, won't I have to apply for Canadian visa using my birth citizenship?

Yes.

FYI, Canadian citizenship won't get you out of the 10-year bar. If you manage to re-enter the US before the 10-years are up, it becomes a lifetime bar.
 
Thanks you for consistently helping.

What is in the system? I have no criminal record or anything, and I havnt left the country since 18.
Since I don't have a lawful presence in US, won't I have to apply for Canadian visa using my birth citizenship? I think I will take you on your offer regarding your friend. Thank you very much

lxz,

You had an I-485 denied, you have an A#, you likely have an outstanding Removal Order, you are in the immigration system.

You didn't mention your country of birth, have you explored what prospects it offers? You will likely have a substantial educational advantage in that job market.

Canadians had a "visa waiver" long before the Visa Waiver Program was started. However, even Canadians are subject to the ULP bars to re-entry. There is a current thread about it somewhere in this forum.
 
Thank you both for replying.

So I am in the system because of the denied applications, and I have an outstanding removal order, I guess that means I will be deported if someone reports me or I have a run in with the law.
I will keep in mind that either waive my 10 year bar or don't even think about re entry until 10 years are up.

My country of birth is China, and I have thought alot about employment there. It is not as much as the career prospects that brothers me but also the life style, people I know, and the place I grew up in that I wont be able to visit or see anymore that brothers me. Currently the number one question is whether I should stay and wait for the dream act, or I should go back upon graduation. However even if I am to go back, I would like to know what happened with my dad's applications and my future options. So far the only thing I can think of in terms of future options is getting some work experience in China and applying for work visas, but it is to my understanding that I will need to seek employers in US or Canada while I am in China, and that they must be capable and willing to apply visa for me. That somehow doesn't sound very prospective
 
How long ago did you arrive in the US, and when did your father's employer file the I-140? If it was before the cutoff in April 2000, you might qualify for 245(i) protection.
 
How long ago did you arrive in the US, and when did your father's employer file the I-140? If it was before the cutoff in April 2000, you might qualify for 245(i) protection.

That is a good point. The petition was revoked and therefore, would have tpo have been "approvable when filed". Certain revoked petitions will qualify but other will not.

SEE: http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/Section245ProvisionLIFEAct_032301.pdf as a starting point.

Q6. What does "approvable when filed" mean for an immigrant visa petition?

A6. "Approvable when filed" for an immigrant visa petition means that:
It was filed properly;
It was meritorious in fact;
It was not fraudulent; and
At the time of filing, the beneficiary had the appropriate family relationship or employment relationship that would support the issuance of an immigrant visa.

Q7. What does "properly filed" mean for an application for labor certification?

A7. "Properly filed" for an application for labor certification means that it was filed with the DOL on or before April 30, 2001, according to DOL rules.

Q8. What does "approvable when filed" mean for an application for labor certification?

A8. "Approvable when filed" for an application for labor certification means that when the labor certification was filed with the DOL:
It was filed properly according to DOL rules;
It was meritorious in fact; and
It was not fraudulent.
 
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I read through it but I cant say I understood it completely. So I also don't know if I qualify for that.


His approval notice of I 140 was received on October 7 1999
Along the files I also see I 129 approved on june 2 1997 and june 5 2000
And I539 application to extend /change nonimmigrant status in september 17th 1997

The notice of intent to revoke was received on mar 11 2003

My dad's i-140 was revoked on Jan 1 6 2004 for the reasons:
* not manager executive in U.S.
* no Qualifying business relationship.
* inability to pay wages.

The appeal was dismissed on Jan 11 2005


I entered U.S. on September 9th 2001 but my dad has been here much earlier than that. I dont think he was employed by anyone I think he opened a shop in the U.S. and sold things that was made in China, and sold things in China that was made in the U.S.


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Also, I noticed there seem to be a deadline for 245(i)

Q4. What is the deadline for filing in order to preserve eligibility for adjustment of
status using Section 245(i)?
A4. You have a very short window of opportunity, which ends April 30, 2001, to
preserve your eligibility to file for adjustment of status under Section 245(i). You are
not required to file for adjustment of status (Form I-485) on or before April 30, 2001.

And I am not sure if my dad is able to prove he was in U.S. on December 21 2000. I know he was, but that might take some digging.


My understand is that, my dad properly filed and received I 140 before 2000. However new laws took place in 2000 which made his I 140 and 485 revoked, as a result, so was my. However, since my dad's I 140 took place before 2000, he is considered to be grandfathered, and the new laws including the revoke should not take him, and we should of had legal status? I could be completely off here. I really don't understand this
 
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lxz,

It looks like the I-140 was not "approvable when filed" and will not support "grandfathering". That's a dead end. I think I found the public copy of the AAO Dismissal of the appeal to the revoked I-140. (see link below) It was revoked for the 3 reasons you noted, but on appeal, the AAO found it failed only on 2 of those grounds but that's not enough to do any good.

Sorry,

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His approval notice of I 140 was received on October 7 1999
Along the files I also see I 129 approved on june 2 1997 and june 5 2000
And I539 application to extend /change nonimmigrant status in september 17th 1997

The notice of intent to revoke was received on mar 11 2003

My dad's i-140 was revoked on Jan 1 6 2004 for the reasons:
* not manager executive in U.S.
* no Qualifying business relationship.
* inability to pay wages.

The appeal was dismissed on Jan 11 2005

http://www.uscis.gov/err/B4 - Multi...ecisions_Issued_in_2005/JAN112005_05B4203.pdf
 
Yes, I am amazed, that is my dad's file. So that is a dead end, and my only options are still await for immigration reform, or leave the country. Which is what I knew when I started, but now I can take peace in knowing there is nothing I could do. All of you has been tremendously helpful, and I thank you. If you don't mind, there is still just one last thing I would like to know about. It is regarding BigJoe5's post earlier, I am not sure I understand the context. Could you clarify?

"In that you were a child and not responsible for your overstay, if you departed quickly, you would receive leniency in a waiver application IF you submitted one based on a bona fide immigrant or non-immigrant visa.

In order to obtain MOST non-immigrant visas you must overcome a statutorily mandated presumption of "immigrant intent". If your family remains in the U.S., that will be a very hard sell to anyone let alone a cynical Consular Officer or USCIS or CBP Officer."


If I do leave and I will want to re enter again 10 years from the date I leave, Would it be much harder for me to obtain a visa, having the status I had today. My family will leave when I leave, and I will be as legit as possible when I apply, but I obviously can't undo what has happened to today.
I don't understand the issue of non-immigrant or immigrant visas, and the immigrant intent. Would a tourist visa or temporary work visa be non-immigrant visas? If I wish to stay in the country I would have to apply for immigrant visas won't I? But if I am trying to just visit I must prove that I am not trying to stay, right?
Lastly, on what ground can I apply for a wavier on the 10 year re entry bar. Does the quoted text say I should get a wavier because I was a child and unknowingly stayed, although in the context of the law once I am over 18, I was responsible for my overstay? Is there any other grounds I possibly get a wavier?
 
Good call BigJoe5 and everyone!
Lxz, did your dad file for labor certification? And was it approved or approve-able when filed?. My understanding is it's filed before I-140. If that is so then you may qualify for 245(i). Regardless, you will need someone to petition you to qualify for PR.
 
I don't understand the issue of non-immigrant or immigrant visas, and the immigrant intent. Would a tourist visa or temporary work visa be non-immigrant visas? If I wish to stay in the country I would have to apply for immigrant visas won't I? But if I am trying to just visit I must prove that I am not trying to stay, right?

You are correct on all three questions, but with a particular exception: H1B and L1 visas are temporary work visas, but they also allow immigrant intent. So the applicants for those particular visas don't have to prove they don't want to stay permanently in the US. But just about every other nonimmigrant visa applicant has to overcome the immigrant intent issue to be granted the visa.

If I do leave and I will want to re enter again 10 years from the date I leave, Would it be much harder for me to obtain a visa, having the status I had today.
It will be very difficult to ever obtain a nonimmigrant visa, given the length of your overstay. But once you've completed the 10 year ban, prior overstay is not a barrier to obtaining an immigrant visa. Of course, you'll need a close relative in the US or an employer to sponsor you for the immigrant visa, unless you're one of the exceptional few who can self-sponsor with an "extraordinary ability" green card, or win a spot in the DV lottery (of which there are only 50K winners out of millions of applicants per year).

You need to find out more about your father's I-140 and the labor certification associated with it, as you may be eligible to stay for a section 245(i) green card, depending on the facts of your situation. When did you enter the US, when did your father enter the US, was the I-140 approved before it was revoked? Was it revoked because it was found ineligible, or was it revoked because the employer requested revocation?
 
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Yes, I am amazed, that is my dad's file. So that is a dead end, and my only options are still await for immigration reform, or leave the country. Which is what I knew when I started, but now I can take peace in knowing there is nothing I could do. All of you has been tremendously helpful, and I thank you. If you don't mind, there is still just one last thing I would like to know about. It is regarding BigJoe5's post earlier, I am not sure I understand the context. Could you clarify?

"In that you were a child and not responsible for your overstay, if you departed quickly, you would receive leniency in a waiver application IF you submitted one based on a bona fide immigrant or non-immigrant visa.

In order to obtain MOST non-immigrant visas you must overcome a statutorily mandated presumption of "immigrant intent". If your family remains in the U.S., that will be a very hard sell to anyone let alone a cynical Consular Officer or USCIS or CBP Officer."

If I do leave and I will want to re enter again 10 years from the date I leave, Would it be much harder for me to obtain a visa, having the status I had today. My family will leave when I leave, and I will be as legit as possible when I apply, but I obviously can't undo what has happened to today.
I don't understand the issue of non-immigrant or immigrant visas, and the immigrant intent. Would a tourist visa or temporary work visa be non-immigrant visas? If I wish to stay in the country I would have to apply for immigrant visas won't I? But if I am trying to just visit I must prove that I am not trying to stay, right?
Lastly, on what ground can I apply for a wavier on the 10 year re entry bar. Does the quoted text say I should get a wavier because I was a child and unknowingly stayed, although in the context of the law once I am over 18, I was responsible for my overstay? Is there any other grounds I possibly get a wavier?

lxz,

The non-immigrant classifications are listed in the INA among the definitions section. INA 101(a)(15) [8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)] is the definition of "immigrant" and all of its subsections define "non-immigrant" classes. MOST, but not all, require an unreliquished foreign residence that the individual has no intention of abandoning.
Basically, it's every alien is an immigrant EXCEPT, ...........

Certain subsections do not require a non-immigrant intent OR do not require an unrelinquished foreign residence OR have diplomatic immunity OR immunity/priviledge by a treaty. ( Most H's, AND, L, K, V, O-1 and O-3, some P's, TN's, T's, U', A's, E"s, G's....) Some of these can adjust in the U.S. (I-485's) and others are OK to seek Consular Processing.

SEE: http://frwebgate3.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/PDFgate.cgi?WAISdocID=ytkPY9/0/2/0&WAISaction=retrieve for above.

INA 214(b) [8 U.S.C. 1184(b)]

(b) Presumption of status; written waiver

Every alien (other than a nonimmigrant described in subparagraph (L) or (V) of section 1101(a)(15) of this title, and other than a nonimmigrant described in any provision of section 1101(a)(15)(H)(i) of this title except subclause (b1) of such section) shall be presumed to be an immigrant until he establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer, at the time of application for a visa, and the immigration officers, at the time of application for admission, that he is entitled
to a nonimmigrant status under section 1101(a)(15) of this title. An alien who is an officer or employee of any foreign government or of any international organization entitled to enjoy privileges, exemptions, and immunities under the International Organizations Immunities Act [22 U.S.C. 288 et seq.], or an alien who is the attendant, servant, employee, or member of the immediate family of any such alien shall not be entitled to apply for or receive an immigrant visa, or to enter the
United States as an immigrant unless he executes a written waiver in the same form and substance as is prescribed by section 1257(b) of this title.

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The 10 year bar is just that. Once 10 years of presence outside the U.S. have passed, it becomes a non-issue and ancient history (not a factor to be considered in the visa applications that come after that ban has expired). HOWEVER, if you have an Order of Removal and depart, you MUST seek consent to return before attempting to return. USCIS Form I-212 (look at the botton of page 1 and that will be the part that applies to you.) You need to CONFIRM if you actually have a Removal Order under which you will be departing. (You can file a G-639 FOIA request to get a copy of what's in your A-file, the whole family should probably file forms.)

NO, you will not be exposing yourselves to being picked up by ICE just by filing a FOIA request with USCIS. You will be dealing with FOIA/PA clerks who just make photocopies and don't have any law enforcement responsibilities (and, they don't give a crap, it's NOT in their job description.) They make copies of what you are entitled to obtain and bill you for the photocopy service.

Look up and read INA 212(a)(9)(A) (i)(II) and (iii) it is easily found at www.uscis.gov
 
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