SO in this respect, you do not get anything in return for serving this country than for marrying a citizen of this country.
Ways to expedite N400 to get into military as an Officer?
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SO in this respect, you do not get anything in return for serving this country than for marrying a citizen of this country.
Under INA 329 military based application, you are exempt from the physical presence, continuous residence and same district residency requirements. GMC is a basic requirement for all applications. However, for military based applications, honorable time in active duty counts as proof of your GMC. It's just a question of how far back USCIS decides to check.
Whichever type of application, it seems showing good moral characater
affirmatively can never cancel the evidence that show one has bad moral character , as least not by law.
I wouldn't say never. GMC is determined by looking at all the evidence of an applicant, including proof of "good" and "bad" character. For example, one can have a CIMT in statutory period and still be considered to have GMC. There are some criminal acts that automatically preclude GMC, whereas others that do not.
Best to wait. No point in going enlisted if you want officer's school.
But if you want to go into a natl sec job, you don't need to be a citizen for that. All you need to do is pinpoint the job, be that in the private sector as a contractor, or public sector, and then go from there, jump into the military or stay hybrid.
Virtually ALL national security jobs go to US citizens simply by virtue of security clearance requirements. The Director of National Intelligence (DNI) only recently made exceptions to that rule based on the severe shortages the intelligence community has of specific language skills.
The only way you are going to get a national security job without being a citizen is if you are with an allied military or an allied country's defense contractor (and strict rules govern the exchange of information in these situations). The definition of ally also varies. The UK is considered the closest ally for most military and intelligence purposes, and Australia usually follows close behind. The UK and Australia are then followed by other allied countries on a sliding scale of "trusted nation" status.
You may be able to get a job with a large defense contractor without being a citizen, but you will not be able to work on any project related to national security without getting a clearance, and that is usually quite a long and difficult process for non-citizens.
jvm60073,
When I went to a recruiter office and explained my situation he said that I would be put in the Delayed Entry Program (DEP or DEP-ing in) while they take care of the Citizen papers.
DEP could be something like 6 months, which for the Navy is almost the normal waiting period for starting bootcamp if you go SpecOps.
You don't need to have been in the States for a certain amount of time to be eligeble. Only that you have that greencard and high moral character (the usual for Citizenship).
Just talk to your recruiter and see what he can find out. He seems really interested in you so I will do the legwork to get you in. Which branch are you looking into?
I'm still working on my greencard and after that I can finally start the journey myself. If you have any questions, just hit me up. Good luck with everything and stay safe!
Ewald
When I went to a recruiter office and explained my situation he said that I would be put in the Delayed Entry Program (DEP or DEP-ing in) while they take care of the Citizen papers.
DEP could be something like 6 months, which for the Navy is almost the normal waiting period for starting bootcamp if you go SpecOps.
You don't need to have been in the States for a certain amount of time to be eligeble. Only that you have that greencard and high moral character (the usual for Citizenship).
Just talk to your recruiter and see what he can find out. He seems really interested in you so I will do the legwork to get you in. Which branch are you looking into?
I'm still working on my greencard and after that I can finally start the journey myself. If you have any questions, just hit me up. Good luck with everything and stay safe!
Ewald
godisgoodtome
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OMG, you guys are making my head spin. You can not attend any officers training school except you are a citizen. Also the millitary will not do anything for you to expediate your citizenship until you enlist. That is why you see PRs with masters enlisting as E4's.
Just what i have been rading on the US army web page.
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when I called USCIS, they told me that one has to have serve for one year at the time of application, either as an active duty soldier or in the reserve unit.
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"Service During Hostilities : By Executive Order Number 13269, dated July 3, 2002, President Bush declared that all those persons serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States at any time on or after September 11, 2001 until a date to be announced, are eligible to apply for naturalization in accordance with the service during hostilities statutory exception in Section 329 of the INA to the naturalization requirements. This means that individuals with even one day of honorable active duty service can apply for citizenship, regardless of how long they have been a resident. Note: Under this provision, individuals who apply for citizenship after discharge must present a DD Form 214, with service characterized as "Honorable," or "General." Those with other characterizations (including Entry Level Separation), are not eligible.
Section 329 of the INA also applies to service-members who served on active duty during World War I, World War II, the Korean Conflict, the Vietnam Conflict, and Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm. "
This does not apply to soldiers in the reserve unit of the millitary, or does it?
Section 329 of the INA also applies to service-members who served on active duty during World War I, World War II, the Korean Conflict, the Vietnam Conflict, and Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm. "
This does not apply to soldiers in the reserve unit of the millitary, or does it?
They informed you of the requirements of INA 328, not INA 329. INA 329 does not require a minimum enrollment time before you can apply for naturalization.
If you file using INA 329, make sure you submit a cover letter indicating so to make sure they don't invoke the langauage on INA 328 instead.
Armed Forces includes reserves. Check out the following posting on the same issue:
http://forums.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=276794
godisgoodtome
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Okay, but must one be serving only in an active duty to apply? does Reserve status also qualify for INA 329?
Selective reserve qualifies as well as some branches of national guard. Regular reserve is not considered active duty, and therefore not eligible. The key is to determine if the reserve unit you are planning to join is in active status or not.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/MilitaryBrochurev7.pdf
godisgoodtome
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In that sense, so someone joining the US army reserve does not qualify?
Not unless that army reserve unit is in active status.
godisgoodtome
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How does one know what unit of the reserve is active? Say i wanted to go and enlist, how do i put that across to them. I kept hearing a recruiters saying that ones unit can not be guaranteed, that that descision is made at the end of ones AIT.
You'll have to make it clear to recruiter that you are interested in selective reserve or component of reserve that is active. The recruiter may not be able to guarantee which reserve you will be placed in, but should be able to at least get you into a unit that is in active status.
godisgoodtome
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Oh I just asked a friend and he said for the regular army, all first time enlistee are assigned to selected reserve.
The US military has active duty components, reserve components, and National Guard components. All four service branches of the Dept. of Defense have reserve components which are known as the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps Reserve, respectively. These are separate from their respective Active Duty components. When Reserves are 'activated', it means the units and personnel are then considered to be on Active Duty.
The important thing here is that immigration benefits for naturalization are available only to Active Duty, Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve, and activated components of the National Guard (the National Guard explained further below). The Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve refers to Reserve components which are organized as units, which are equipped, trained, and deployed as whole units, and not just individuals. Examples of Selected Reserve units in the Army typically include Military Police or Civil Affairs units. The 1st Combat Camera Squadron of the Air Force, based at Charleston AFB, SC is a Selected Reserve unit, and it was activated into the Air Force Reserves for the on-going campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq. Any LPRs in these types of Selected Reserve units become eligible for naturalization.
So you could be a Reservist, but not be in the Selected Reserve, by virtue of not being assigned to a unit considered part of the Selected Reserve. In such a case, you would be part of the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR), and your eligibility for naturalization benefits would derive from whether you were 'activated' onto Active Duty status either through selection or volunteering, or becoming part of a Selected Reserve unit.
The Coast Guard is nominally a part of the Dept. of Homeland Security, unless activated in an operational area, at which point, Coast Guard units typically report to the operational area's Navy commander. However, for immigration purposes, the Coast Guard is treated as a branch of the military.
The National Guard has Army and Air Guard components, which are attached to the Army and Air Force when activated for 'active duty'. Joining the National Guard is not the same thing as joining the active duty or reserve components of one of the four military branches. Unless they are 'activated', National Guard units fall under the jurisdiction of the State in which they are based, and fall under the command of the State's governor.
As an LPR you can enlist in either the Active Duty military in one of the service branches or join the Reserves in one of the service branches. In the Reserves you are typically asked to make an 8-year commitment, which involves 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks out of the year. However, as a Reservist, you can be activated at any time based on the needs of the service branch you are in.
If you are enlisting in the Reserves, at least in part because of the naturalization benefits, then make sure that you understand how/whether you can become part of a Selected Reserve unit. The recruiting quotas for Reserve and Active Duty components are typically different and they are different also by Service Branch. The individual recruiter usually has little control over what actually happens to you once you enlist. They are heavily incented to make their numbers so take with a grain of salt what they tell you to get you to sign on the dotted line...
The important thing here is that immigration benefits for naturalization are available only to Active Duty, Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve, and activated components of the National Guard (the National Guard explained further below). The Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve refers to Reserve components which are organized as units, which are equipped, trained, and deployed as whole units, and not just individuals. Examples of Selected Reserve units in the Army typically include Military Police or Civil Affairs units. The 1st Combat Camera Squadron of the Air Force, based at Charleston AFB, SC is a Selected Reserve unit, and it was activated into the Air Force Reserves for the on-going campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq. Any LPRs in these types of Selected Reserve units become eligible for naturalization.
So you could be a Reservist, but not be in the Selected Reserve, by virtue of not being assigned to a unit considered part of the Selected Reserve. In such a case, you would be part of the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR), and your eligibility for naturalization benefits would derive from whether you were 'activated' onto Active Duty status either through selection or volunteering, or becoming part of a Selected Reserve unit.
The Coast Guard is nominally a part of the Dept. of Homeland Security, unless activated in an operational area, at which point, Coast Guard units typically report to the operational area's Navy commander. However, for immigration purposes, the Coast Guard is treated as a branch of the military.
The National Guard has Army and Air Guard components, which are attached to the Army and Air Force when activated for 'active duty'. Joining the National Guard is not the same thing as joining the active duty or reserve components of one of the four military branches. Unless they are 'activated', National Guard units fall under the jurisdiction of the State in which they are based, and fall under the command of the State's governor.
As an LPR you can enlist in either the Active Duty military in one of the service branches or join the Reserves in one of the service branches. In the Reserves you are typically asked to make an 8-year commitment, which involves 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks out of the year. However, as a Reservist, you can be activated at any time based on the needs of the service branch you are in.
If you are enlisting in the Reserves, at least in part because of the naturalization benefits, then make sure that you understand how/whether you can become part of a Selected Reserve unit. The recruiting quotas for Reserve and Active Duty components are typically different and they are different also by Service Branch. The individual recruiter usually has little control over what actually happens to you once you enlist. They are heavily incented to make their numbers so take with a grain of salt what they tell you to get you to sign on the dotted line...
godisgoodtome
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Yes, I have also learned that for the ARMY, first time enlistee can not be IRR, IRR is only for prior servicemen. So allnew enlistee in the US ARMY will be placed on either active duty or Selective reserve. Which means then that any PR joining the US army either way willbe qualified.
IS this correct?
IS this correct?